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[Ghost Lightning]

Rockworm503 wrote...

A lot of people like Twilight *shudders

Try to tell them it isn't the best thing since sliced bread. Just cause a specific group doesn't like something doesn't make it universally bad. 

[Dust_King]

MJRick wrote...

I just like to think that I have a better taste in games then some of the people who play that garbage.

Yeah... look, some free advice, replace better with different. The idea that your always right will not work well in life. For some reason people don't like dealing with superiority complexes

It all comes down to taste and when it comes to art and entertainment everyone's different, as long as someone enjoys it then it was good.

In fact If you hate the series why did you bother looking at this thread at all? That alone casts serious doubts over your taste.

[Ghost Lightning]

Dust_King wrote...

MJRick wrote...

I just like to think that I have a better taste in games then some of the people who play that garbage.

Yeah... look, some free advice, replace better with different. The idea that your always right will not work well in life. For some reason people don't like dealing with superiority complexes

It all comes down to taste and when it comes to art and entertainment everyone's different, as long as someone enjoys it then it was good.

In fact If you hate the series why did you bother looking at this thread at all? That alone casts serious doubts over your taste.

Thank you sir for being intelligent.

[thegreateski]

I just wish that Square-Enix would start pushing a different series as their bread and butter.

Would make for a nice change of pace.
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Random question @ Ghost. Do you change your avatar every half day?

Modifié par thegreateski, 21 janvier 2011 - 05:30 .

[Ghost Lightning]

thegreateski wrote...

I just wish that Square-Enix would start pushing a different series as their bread and butter.

Would make for a nice change of pace.
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Random question @ Ghost. Do you change your avatar every half day?

No. I just got this new one cause it's the FFXIII-2 version....and I uploaded 2 more too...

[Dust_King]

Well, looking at X-2 there are some lessons that can be learned.
-Don't change characters that people liked. Yuna was a great character in X, seeing her in short shorts with ultra cleavage was just too much.
-Don't alienate your previous target audience. Scantily clad women, a small single sex party and dress-up being a main game mechanic were not right in a setting revolving round death (even if that's over)
-Don't revise the emotional points of the last game, Tidus dying was a great ending and made his character. He Does Not come back to life and live happily ever after with Yuna.

I'm quite sceptical about XIII-2, but I did like the setting and characters so I'll probably give it a chance, depending on reviews. I think it can be done well, I know Square-enix can make great games, but I do think they need to have a serious look at what they've been doing wrong lately.

[Rockworm503]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

A lot of people like Twilight *shudders

Try to tell them it isn't the best thing since sliced bread. Just cause a specific group doesn't like something doesn't make it universally bad. 

just because a lot of people like it doesn't mean its good.

[Chesskacha]

I just bought FFXIII... so far i like it very much. It's different, I like lightning attitude so far *just finished chapter 3

[Druss99]

Dust_King wrote...

Well, looking at X-2 there are some lessons that can be learned.
-Don't change characters that people liked. Yuna was a great character in X, seeing her in short shorts with ultra cleavage was just too much.
-Don't alienate your previous target audience. Scantily clad women, a small single sex party and dress-up being a main game mechanic were not right in a setting revolving round death (even if that's over)
-Don't revise the emotional points of the last game, Tidus dying was a great ending and made his character. He Does Not come back to life and live happily ever after with Yuna.

I'm quite sceptical about XIII-2, but I did like the setting and characters so I'll probably give it a chance, depending on reviews. I think it can be done well, I know Square-enix can make great games, but I do think they need to have a serious look at what they've been doing wrong lately.

Good points but its left me asking who they are trying to target with this game?
Is it just fan service to the people who loved FF13?
Is it aimed at fixing the mistakes of FF13?
Do they even know how many people hated the game?
Are we going to see 20 hours of Lightning changing into various states of undress with every other character being shoehorned in just to appease people or will it be Lightnings own story that makes sense in its own right?

I finished FF13 the gameplay wasn't all bad but my god those characters were horrendous. The gameplay only needs slight tweaks to me like opening it up a bit and stop trying to fool me into thinking I have choice when I don't, if you have to do it then atleast do a better job of it. But if its just going to be cheesey fan service then even the best gameplay in the world wouldn't persuade me to part with my money.

Hopefully they learned from FFX-2 how not to do this kind of thing. It seems they learned alot from disastrous goings on in the production of F13...
http://www.gamasutra...antasy_XIII.php

[Teddie Sage]

The gameplay would be more interesting as an action-rpg, in my honest opinion... That's why I think I'll prefer Versus more.

[Dust_King]

Druss99 wrote...


I finished FF13 the gameplay wasn't all bad but my god those characters were horrendous. 

To be honest I thought the opposite, the gameplay never really felt interesting or deep to me but I loved the characters. I was surprised since I did start off hating most of them but I thought their development was very well done. I mean, yes they suffered alot from clichés but I ended up liking them despite it. Hell, even Show, who I despised on basic principal from the moment I saw him eventually won me over with all the crap he manages to deal with, in an age where so many male leads are either angsty or generic badasses I eventually found him to be interesting and even likeable (although still a bit of a douche).

That said, they need to medicate Vanille or do something to sort her out.

Edit: @teddie; I think Versus will be better simply because of the team doing it, I think alot of the major crew and programmers worked on really good games, FFVII, FFVIII, FFX, Kingdom Hearts 1&2. That and I am fully in love with the art style (seriously I would do terrible, terrible things for that art style...)

Modifié par Dust_King, 21 janvier 2011 - 01:20 .

[Druss99]

Dust_King wrote...

Druss99 wrote...


I finished FF13 the gameplay wasn't all bad but my god those characters were horrendous. 

To be honest I thought the opposite, the gameplay never really felt interesting or deep to me but I loved the characters. I was surprised since I did start off hating most of them but I thought their development was very well done. I mean, yes they suffered alot from clichés but I ended up liking them despite it. Hell, even Show, who I despised on basic principal from the moment I saw him eventually won me over with all the crap he manages to deal with, in an age where so many male leads are either angsty or generic badasses I eventually found him to be interesting and even likeable (although still a bit of a douche).

That said, they need to medicate Vanille or do something to sort her out.

Edit: @teddie; I think Versus will be better simply because of the team doing it, I think alot of the major crew and programmers worked on really good games, FFVII, FFVIII, FFX, Kingdom Hearts 1&2. That and I am fully in love with the art style (seriously I would do terrible, terrible things for that art style...)

I didn't hate the gameplay, the battle system was ok I could live with it and I did enjoy alot of the battles but the level up system was terrible.

I was the opposite with Snow, I thought he looked interesting until he first started talking and every other line of dialogue involved the word hero. He annoyed me on a level that very few people can annoy me on. Plus he was a large man in a trench coat who was engaged to what looked like a child and he seemed slightly retarded. Sazh and Fang were ok but hardly memorable, Hope was awful just awful I prefer just pretending he didn't exist and Vanille she was ok at times but your right she needed medication, every once in a while I was hoping that whoever was with her would just knock her out for a while, she was ok in small doses. Lightning I actually liked but by the end of the game she had started reminding me of Squall. I think my annoyance with Lightning and Fang towards the end was just an overflow of annoyance with Snow and Hope tarnishing everyone else, even now I can barely seperate my hatred for those two from the rest of the cast.

I would play a Lightning or Fang spin off game now that I've thought about it some more but not if its like FFX-2 and not if the rest of the characters were as bad as in the first game.

[Ghost Lightning]

I hope all the characters return. Snow and Sazh especially. And I need some one to blame it on when I lose so Vanille has to come back, and every game needs someone to hate so there's Fang, and it's FF so they need a 14 year old and Hope is just that. So they all need to return.

[A Killing Sound]

If XIII-2 can actually make the whole game more open like the last disc of XIII, that would make all the difference in the world. I likes exploring in my rpgs.

[Ghost Lightning]

A Killing Sound wrote...

If XIII-2 can actually make the whole game more open like the last disc of XIII, that would make all the difference in the world. I likes exploring in my rpgs.

I like exploration but honestly my favorite parts of XIII were the linear parts. I thought the story was paced perfectly and I was on pins and needles forr the nexst progression. On pulse it was just like any "open world" game, but I still loved it. I'd like if they kept some linearity but I can see what you mean about wanting to be able to branch out.

[A Killing Sound]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

A Killing Sound wrote...

If XIII-2 can actually make the whole game more open like the last disc of XIII, that would make all the difference in the world. I likes exploring in my rpgs.

I like exploration but honestly my favorite parts of XIII were the linear parts. I thought the story was paced perfectly and I was on pins and needles forr the nexst progression. On pulse it was just like any "open world" game, but I still loved it. I'd like if they kept some linearity but I can see what you mean about wanting to be able to branch out.

I'd rather see XIII-2 be more like X as far as exploring went.  Sure, it was somewhat linear, but they had towns to break up the action, and a lot of mini games and what have you.  I'm not an rpg gamer that loves non-stop action.  If I wanted that, I'd be all over the Duke Nukem Forever board lol. 

[Ghost Lightning]

A Killing Sound wrote...

I'd rather see XIII-2 be more like X as far as exploring went.  Sure, it was somewhat linear, but they had towns to break up the action, and a lot of mini games and what have you.  I'm not an rpg gamer that loves non-stop action.  If I wanted that, I'd be all over the Duke Nukem Forever board lol. 

O.o That game looks like it won't be worth a 12 year wait. But yeah towns might be good. But minigames would have to be actually good *cough cough* ME2 *cough cough*

[Sparrow44]

Well tbf I didn't mind some of the linear parts it was the fact that this was paired with following different sets of characters in different locations which put me off a little as there was little chance to take it all in. Being able to stop in a town and explore some of the other stuff like shopping, side quests etc. would've helped a little.

And only just realized but Archelyte Steppe (sp?) was the only real open world area on Pulse, everything else felt cramped again, so a journey following Lightning and exploring the many lost/abandoned areas and cities of Pulse in XIII2 could be interesting.

[MandatoryCoffee]

 What matters to me is why Lightning changed her outfit. Decency isn't emphasized enough anymore.

[Ghost Lightning]

MandatoryCoffee wrote...

 What matters to me is why Lightning changed her outfit. Decency isn't emphasized enough anymore.

It's no more revealing than her clothes in XIII.

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 22 janvier 2011 - 04:23 .

[thegreateski]

MandatoryCoffee wrote...

 What matters to me is why Lightning changed her outfit. Decency isn't emphasized enough anymore.

Because her milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, that's why.

(I have no idea.)

[MandatoryCoffee]

 Ghost Lightning: But I though Lightning's outfit didn't partially reveal her for lack of a better term,  'upper leg'. Please excuse me if I'm wrong. (no sarcasm)

thegreateski: ha, I wouldn't doubt it