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[Cerbrus operative]

Should I leave David with Dr. Archer and let the project continue or should I take him to Grissom academy and let the project stop and why?

Editado por Cerbrus operative, 22 enero 2011 - 11:38 .

[Captain Iglo]

Theres not one playtrough where I decided to leave the poor guy in that machine.

[Spartas Husky]

....really? I mean the decision is pretty much black and white.



All I know is I follow's mordin quote "science applies to no species capable of calculus simple rule never broke it, others are brute force researchers no place in real science"

[Count Viceroy]

If it takes one man to suffer so potentially millions might live then so be it.

Letting your feelings get in the way of better judgement by letting him go is up there among top of the parastupid idealistic choices that makes you want to facepalm. You spent an entire game witnessing what 5 % of the geth population could do to organics. What do you think happens if they all went to war?

Millions upon millions of casualties, but hey, at least you saved one kid from a horrible life. Feels good eh. Some people really fail to grasp what spectres really are and what they are supposed to do.

Editado por Count Viceroy, 18 enero 2011 - 05:43 .

[SFF19]

For the love of god, save David!

There is NO excuse for ANYONE to have to go through that kind of horrific torture.  Dr Archer got off WAY too easily with that pistol whip, if you ask me,

[Spartas Husky]

Count Viceroy wrote...

If it takes one man to suffer so potentially millions might live then so be it.

Letting your feelings get in the way of better judgement by letting him go is up there among top of the parastupid idealistic choices that makes you want to facepalm. You spent an entire game witnessing what 5 % of the geth population could do to organics. What do you think happens if they all went to war?

Mordin was able to neutered the krogans without subjecting any of them to his experiments. true Scientist take the hard way without collateral suffering.

I doubt it will be as easy if you were the one strapped to the.... w/e that thing is

[Count Viceroy]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Mordin was able to neutered the krogans without subjecting any of them to his experiments. true Scientist take the hard way without collateral suffering.

I doubt it will be as easy if you were the one strapped to the.... w/e that thing is

I feel for the kid, really do. What was done to him is horrible, but it is necessary. The research have shown signs of progress and it's really too valuable to shut down.

[Zeke01231]

The experiment was a massive failure the kid wanted nothing to do with it..why let that idiot continue...Overlord research is complete and it didn't work.

[SFF19]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Mordin was able to neutered the krogans without subjecting any of them to his experiments. true Scientist take the hard way without collateral suffering.

I doubt it will be as easy if you were the one strapped to the.... w/e that thing is

I feel for the kid, really do. What was done to him is horrible, but it is necessary. The research have shown signs of progress and it's really too valuable to shut down.

It isn't valuable or necessary at all.  The Heretic Geth are DONE.  They've either been wiped out completely or have been "reset" to join the original Geth.  There is no point at all for such an atrocity to continue.

And even if it weren't, the Geth are barely a threat now that Saren and Sovereign are dead, there's just some small pockets of stragglers now.  What was done to David was not just horrific, but ulitmately pointless.

[Zeke01231]

Cerberus needs to stick to intel because their scientist obviously suck.

[darknoon5]

Let him go. I blew the heretics up, if they ever become a threat, it won't be for a long time. It's not justified, though I wish we could keep the data they used.

[Spartas Husky]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Mordin was able to neutered the krogans without subjecting any of them to his experiments. true Scientist take the hard way without collateral suffering.

I doubt it will be as easy if you were the one strapped to the.... w/e that thing is

I feel for the kid, really do. What was done to him is horrible, but it is necessary. The research have shown signs of progress and it's really too valuable to shut down.

I agree to disagree. I belive true scientists find cures without subjecting people to experiments. is it harder of course, but by the end they can claim to have done the impossible without making others suffer.

[xlavaina]

Just think of it this way. How would you feel if you were David.



Then make your decision.

[Count Viceroy]

SFF19 wrote...

It isn't valuable or necessary at all.  The Heretic Geth are DONE.  They've either been wiped out completely or have been "reset" to join the original Geth.  There is no point at all for such an atrocity to continue.

And even if it weren't, the Geth are barely a threat now that Saren and Sovereign are dead, there's just some small pockets of stragglers now.  What was done to David was not just horrific, but ulitmately pointless.

The heretic geth faction might be done, but the geth as a whole, while not openly hostile at this time still remain. Legion says outright that they will defend themselves. After the Geth's involvement with the citadel attack, Separatists or not, I really doubt the general public cares.

There will be a conflict at some point. Especially if the quarians try to retake their homeworld.

Editado por Count Viceroy, 18 enero 2011 - 05:53 .

[Spartas Husky]

xlavaina wrote...

Just think of it this way. How would you feel if you were David.

Then make your decision.

Now that is being shortsighted.

Just think of it this way... how would you feel if you were the tribals residing in Pakistan getting pummeled by rocket fire every other day by US Air Drones?

yet I agree it has to be done. There is no such thing as a one size fits all doctrine. Every situation has to be assessed individually.

As others have stated. The true threat are the heretics, they are either in the run of severely weakned by alliance efforts.

On top of which the alliance is the one at fault for not reinforcing their colonies heavily. Even if they did not believe in placing fleets at each system they could reinforce it heavily with automated defenses.

imho. You need events like Eden prime from time to time to wake people up.

[Sergeant Conley]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

Should I leave David with Dr. Archer and let the project continue or should I take him to Grissom academy and let the the project stop and why?

Ultimately what you should do is up to you. The whole point of ME's morality choices is to offer tough decisions for you to solve based on your abilities and beliefs.

Take Count Viceroy, for example. He believes that the life and sanity of one man do not outweigh the lives of millions that might be lost in a potential war with the Geth, ere go he leaves David in the clutches of Cerberus.

Others, like myself, believe that what David suffered was wrong, and those who put him through it are no better than the Heretic Geth. We also keep in mind that the Heretic Geth, the most likely to go to war with us, have most likely been dealt with in one way or the other by the time we reach Overlord. As Viceroy pointed out, Legion says that if provoked, they will defend themselves.

That said, if a part of the Paragon path does indeed go where several speculate it will go (a way to peacefully resolve the Geth/quarian conflict and have them form an admittedly uneasy alliance that would greatly help in the fight against the Reapers), then it shows that the Geth are willing to co-exist peacefully with organics. Maybe not like each other, but co-exist peacefully.

And the organics will likewise see that peaceful co-existence is possible, and would therefore have no reason to attack the Geth unless they're simply impatient warmongers who want more of something (more glory, more planets, etc.). If the organics in question (say, the Systems Alliance) needed something the Geth have, such as a specific mineral from a planet, perhaps, then they have no reason to attack for it if they can negotiate for it.

Either way, there's consequences no matter the choice, what exactly those consequences are will vary based on circumstances and past choices.

And they all hinge on what you think is the right choice.

EDIT: I just remembered that this is emotionless text, so my peaceful and informative tone'll likely be lost. Allow me to say that I'm not bashing Viceroy and his choice, simply offering it as an example.

Editado por Sergeant Conley, 18 enero 2011 - 06:15 .

[IndigoWolfe]

As the big brother to a special needs child myself, I could never bring myself to leave David as he was. That's the bottom line, at least for me.

[Count Viceroy]

Sergeant Conley wrote...

And they all hinge on what you think is the right choice.

EDIT: I just remembered that this is emotionless text, so my peaceful and informative tone'll likely be lost. Allow me to say that I'm not bashing Viceroy and his choice, simply offering it as an example.

Not lost at all. My opinion isn't fact.

[Bad King]

We can use David to unleash a geth army on the reapers and reclaim the Quarian homeworld.

However they appear to be on our side already so there isn't that much of a point of leaving him there.

[Count Viceroy]

Bad King wrote...

We can use David to unleash a geth army on the reapers and reclaim the Quarian homeworld.
However they appear to be on our side already so there isn't that much of a point of leaving him there.

Legion is a neutral party at best, united temporarily with shepard alone to fight the reapers. The geth themselves only want to be left alone and want nothing to do with organics. They are hardly dependable allies.

Editado por Count Viceroy, 18 enero 2011 - 06:30 .

[Bad King]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Bad King wrote...

We can use David to unleash a geth army on the reapers and reclaim the Quarian homeworld.
However they appear to be on our side already so there isn't that much of a point of leaving him there.

Legion is a neutral party at best, united temporarily with shepard alone to fight the reapers. The geth themselves only want to be left alone and want nothing to do with organics. They are hardly dependable allies.

Then again they are against the reapers building their future for them (most likely using them as tools).

[Count Viceroy]

Bad King wrote...


Then again they are against the reapers building their future for them (most likely using them as tools).

I said they were working with us against the reapers. That does not automatically mean they'd go out on a limb to help all organics or that they wouldn't end up in conflict with them once our shared enemy is defeated.

[klossen4]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Bad King wrote...


Then again they are against the reapers building their future for them (most likely using them as tools).

I said they were working with us against the reapers. That does not automatically mean they'd go out on a limb to help all organics or that they wouldn't end up in conflict with them once our shared enemy is defeated.

That can be said for many races also.

[NanQuan]

Doesn't Dr. Archer promise to take David out of the machine (not stop using him, but not have him in that contraption anymore)? I'm not saying he'll actually follow through, but doesn't he say something along those lines? At least, that was the impression I got. I rescued David on my canon play-throughs, but I was actually pleased with the way the renegade was handled. Shep is outraged by the cruelness, despite being tempted by the possibility of controlling the geth. I thought I'd hate myself for giving David to Dr. Archer on my renegade play-through, but it wasn't too bad.

[HTTP 404]

The decision doesnt affect the game, you dont get more credits for letting the project continue, there's no real benefit. Its just a matter of how you want to see David ending up as.



However, it would be interesting if there is an impact of this decision in Me3