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[PauseforEffect]

*grimace*

I don't have enough faith in Dr. Archer in not screwing up again. And I sure as hell cannot take his promise of taking care of his brother when he just lied to Shepard the whole time.

His ideals of sparing hypothetical mothers from grief doesn't hold well to the actual mothers who lost their children on Project Overlord. Say it should be done so that it's not in vain? Still doesn't convince when Archer came too close to a technological apocalypse. Find a different way. With someone who hasn't messed up that badly due to poor judgement

[Aeowyn]

Dr. Archer doesn't get to "care" for David either way and he doesn't get stuck in the machine either way either. Just putting it out there.

[LorDC]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Mordin was able to neutered the krogans without subjecting any of them to his experiments. true Scientist take the hard way without collateral suffering.

I doubt it will be as easy if you were the one strapped to the.... w/e that thing is

There is one problem. There is shortage of "true scientists" in the Galaxy. So we have to use usual ones. Sad but true.

[Spartas Husky]

LorDC wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
Mordin was able to neutered the krogans without subjecting any of them to his experiments. true Scientist take the hard way without collateral suffering.

I doubt it will be as easy if you were the one strapped to the.... w/e that thing is

There is one problem. There is shortage of "true scientists" in the Galaxy. So we have to use usual ones. Sad but true.

Wy would that be true? True scientists admit when they need more time.

only reason That doctor used his brother was because he didn't want to fail the illusive man. given more time a breathrough would have arisen.

he pluggedhis brother out of self centered views to please nothing more.

And just because there is a shortage of true inventors doesn't excuse what he did.

[LorDC]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Wy would that be true? True scientists admit when they need more time.

And time is money, friendmost valuable resource in the world.

Spartas Husky wrote...
only reason That doctor used his brother was because he didn't want to fail the illusive man. given more time a breathrough would have arisen.

Pure speculation.

Spartas Husky wrote...
he pluggedhis brother out of self centered views to please nothing more.

Yeah and Shepard is saving galaxy just to have a good pension after retirement.

Spartas Husky wrote...
And just because there is a shortage of true inventors doesn't excuse what he did.

There is a world that we want to live in. And there is a world we actually live in. And they aren't necessary same. You say: "Aww... this world is bad". I say: "Deal with it". Just take off your pink-colored glasses and accept world how it is.

[Spartas Husky]

LorDC wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
Wy would that be true? True scientists admit when they need more time.

And time is money, friendmost valuable resource in the world.

Spartas Husky wrote...
only reason That doctor used his brother was because he didn't want to fail the illusive man. given more time a breathrough would have arisen.

Pure speculation.

Spartas Husky wrote...
he pluggedhis brother out of self centered views to please nothing more.

Yeah and Shepard is saving galaxy just to have a good pension after retirement.

Spartas Husky wrote...
And just because there is a shortage of true inventors doesn't excuse what he did.

There is a world that we want to live in. And there is a world we actually live in. And they aren't necessary same. You say: "Aww... this world is bad". I say: "Deal with it". Just take off your pink-colored glasses and accept world how it is.

your very weird my friend, and very agressive about your views. Lets agree to disagree. Most of the things I've said although dismissed by you were actually said during Overlord. But I am not going to spend the time hunting for the quotes, replay overlord. The doctor says everything.

Not even sure what most of your answers have to do with the point I made by w/e.

[gloops]

If you do it prior to meeting Legion, like I do, then the best decision is to leave David hooked up. Based on available information (i.e. no knowledge of geth faction split) that's the best decision to make. The only purpose taking him to Grissom Academy serves is to give Paragons fuzzy feelings.



But if you do it after meeting Legion, then I see no reason to leave him hooked up. I guess geth could be hostile in the future, but I think it's more probable that they won't be.

[PauseforEffect]

Aeowyn wrote... Dr. Archer doesn't get to "care" for David either way and he doesn't get stuck in the machine either way either. Just putting it out there.

Dr. Archer does ask "Let me take of him. Please." and if you do leave, the last scene shows David staying in that machine as it starts back up.
None of what Archer says really helps when he lied to begin with

[Shadowrun1177]

LorDC wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
only reason That doctor used his brother was because he didn't want to fail the illusive man. given more time a breathrough would have arisen.

Pure speculation.

This part is not pure speculation, Dr. Archer says it himself that he didn't have a choice cause The Illusive Man doesn't broker failure. Granted the more time part is speculation, but the whole reason he used his brother was cause he saw him communicate with the Geth and cause he didn't want to fail The Illusive Man. Plus if I remember correctly there was a log of Dr. Archer's about The Illusive Man demanding results soon. The link is the ending of the mission so you can see where Dr. Archer tell's Shepard that he didn't have a choice and that the Illusive Man doesn't broker failure.

www.youtube.com/watch

[azerSheppard]

i've never been able to leave him hanging there, even as a renegade, i just can't do it. The research is an abomination, and goes against the most fundamental laws and human rights. Mengele did a little something something back in the day, "all for the greater good of the masses".

[Spartas Husky]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

LorDC wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
only reason That doctor used his brother was because he didn't want to fail the illusive man. given more time a breathrough would have arisen.

Pure speculation.

This part is not pure speculation, Dr. Archer says it himself that he didn't have a choice cause The Illusive Man doesn't broker failure. Granted the more time part is speculation, but the whole reason he used his brother was cause he saw him communicate with the Geth and cause he didn't want to fail The Illusive Man. Plus if I remember correctly there was a log of Dr. Archer's about The Illusive Man demanding results soon. The link is the ending of the mission so you can see where Dr. Archer tell's Shepard that he didn't have a choice and that the Illusive Man doesn't broker failure.

www.youtube.com/watch

Thank you very much.

The differnce is betwen sacrificing himself to save his own hide from the illusive man or to sacrifice his brother. he didn't care. If he did he would have said it from the beginning or at least before we had figured it out on our own.

Like Mordin, although comparing the two is an insult to Mordin.Mordin admitted to everything he did to the krogans not long after you meet him, and he made no apologies whatsoever. Fact the doctor actually tried to excuse himself because "TIM doesn't broker failure" is , in my opinion, a clear indication he did that to his brother just to save his own hide, no matter whatever else he might have said.

[Aeowyn]

PrimalEden wrote...

Aeowyn wrote... Dr. Archer doesn't get to "care" for David either way and he doesn't get stuck in the machine either way either. Just putting it out there.

Dr. Archer does ask "Let me take of him. Please." and if you do leave, the last scene shows David staying in that machine as it starts back up.
None of what Archer says really helps when he lied to begin with

So did you just choose that decision and then reload? He doesn't stay in the machine, and the e-mail you receive afterwards says that Dr Archer isn't coming near him. The project needs him sure, but the methods Dr Archer used pretty much makes sure that he's not on the project anymore.

[DoctorCuddles]

Of my 5 Shephards only one has let Project Overlord continue, and that was because he is a mega renegade, and takes any help he can get. Although to be honest the research is ultimately pointless, seeing as the vast majority of Geth wish to exist in peace according to Legion.

[Spectre_907]

NanQuan wrote...

Doesn't Dr. Archer promise to take David out of the machine (not stop using him, but not have him in that contraption anymore)? I'm not saying he'll actually follow through, but doesn't he say something along those lines? At least, that was the impression I got. I rescued David on my canon play-throughs, but I was actually pleased with the way the renegade was handled. Shep is outraged by the cruelness, despite being tempted by the possibility of controlling the geth. I thought I'd hate myself for giving David to Dr. Archer on my renegade play-through, but it wasn't too bad.

I think Gavin mentions that any damage done to David following a removal from the interface could be permanent (if memory serves). The machine was not the original desired means of interfacing with the geth neural network but I think if what Gavin said was true, he may now have to remain connected. However, TIM promises medical treatment in the email and it seems to suggest that David might be released. It is ambiguous.

I let Gavin have him even on my paragon playthroughs. The implications are too vaulable to give up. But after learning of the original geth from Legion, I regret it now. But I'd rather have the weapon and not need it. Same goes for Maelon's research data or the Collector base.

[PauseforEffect]

Separate playthroughs to see different outcomes. They would have to take David out eventually; a dead David is not a useful David. But that's not the gripe. The gripe is letting Archer keep him on his word alone. Until then, you're not informed that Archer's going to be kept away from his brother.

[Konfined]

One of the few decisions I make in game in which the outcome will always remain the same,  full paragon or full renegade: David will not stay hooked up to that machine.  Archer takes a pistol whip to the face.

Editado por Konfined, 18 enero 2011 - 09:39 .

[Spartas Husky]

Aeowyn wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

Aeowyn wrote... Dr. Archer doesn't get to "care" for David either way and he doesn't get stuck in the machine either way either. Just putting it out there.

Dr. Archer does ask "Let me take of him. Please." and if you do leave, the last scene shows David staying in that machine as it starts back up.
None of what Archer says really helps when he lied to begin with

So did you just choose that decision and then reload? He doesn't stay in the machine, and the e-mail you receive afterwards says that Dr Archer isn't coming near him. The project needs him sure, but the methods Dr Archer used pretty much makes sure that he's not on the project anymore.

being proved by alien A is not much different from being probed by alien B. lol he still plugged in

[james1976]

Zeke01231 wrote...

Cerberus needs to stick to intel because their scientist obviously suck.

DING DING We have a winner!

[Spartas Husky]

james1976 wrote...

Zeke01231 wrote...

Cerberus needs to stick to intel because their scientist obviously suck.

DING DING We have a winner!

I second it. We need to have a couple of beers in celebration of such an simple while nevertheless powerful explanation.

Although to be honest, Miranda did not made a bad scientist.... maybe because her only subject was Shep.

[szkasypcze]

Leave the pipes up the poor bastard's ass. He wanted - he got it. All he knows is a square root from something. Even if he turns out to be no advantage in ME3, we could show him in circus, hopefully getting some extra credits.

PS. We should also get the choice to stick some pipes and wires up his brother's ass.

Editado por szkasypcze, 18 enero 2011 - 09:55 .

[Spartas Husky]

szkasypcze wrote...


PS. We should also get the choice to stick some pipes and wires up his brother's ass.

any reaosn why we could not just swap the brothers??? I mean he can't fathom TIM's yelling at him for his failure maybe he can use himself as a test subject.

[yesikareyes]

In my opinion, I'm kind of doubting that all paragon choices are the good ones because I let project overlord continue. Sometimes the galaxy needs a tough commander to make the hard choices. One life for the benefit of many, was my basis.

[james1976]

szkasypcze wrote...

Leave the pipes up the poor bastard's ass. He wanted - he got it. All he knows is a square root from something. Even if he turns out to be no advantage in ME3, we could show him in circus, hopefully getting some extra credits.

PS. We should also get the choice to stick some pipes and wires up his brother's ass.

ROFL   Now that truly made me laugh.  

[Spartas Husky]

yesikareyes wrote...

In my opinion, I'm kind of doubting that all paragon choices are the good ones because I let project overlord continue. Sometimes the galaxy needs a tough commander to make the hard choices. One life for the benefit of many, was my basis.

When an idiot is so sure sacrificing another will benefit the wider effort, that idiot is usually wrong

Said by my drill sergeant.... ah I miss that a-hole

Editado por Spartas Husky, 18 enero 2011 - 10:13 .

[Count Viceroy]

azerSheppard wrote...

i've never been able to leave him hanging there, even as a renegade, i just can't do it. The research is an abomination, and goes against the most fundamental laws and human rights. Mengele did a little something something back in the day, "all for the greater good of the masses".

I'm sure the human race will thank you and David one day when human casualties count in the millions.

Perhaps the war doesn't happen, but that's taking one hell of a risk for a single life.