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[Aedan_Cousland]

Pistol whip the scientist and send David to the Grissom Academy.

[Ryzaki]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Pistol whip the scientist and send David to the Grissom Academy.

This. 

I'd shoot that bastard if I could. I watched the DLC on youtube and don't see how you could do that to someone. 

[Arijharn]

I've done both playthrough's. The first time it pulled my heartstrings so I freed him, the second I asked myself if it would be worth it to save 'millions of sons' and in the end, I thought it did.



First caveat I'd say though would be 'change the bloody way he connects with the network!'

[xI extremist Ix]

Do you have Legion? If you do then you already have a way to communicate with the geth making the research pointless.

[StarcloudSWG]

You don't hook an autistic or idiot savant up to a machine which is practically designed to overload his or her senses, and expect the project to work at all well. Dr. Archer was just plain *incompetent* and should not be left in charge of the project.

[Legbiter]

The project was a dismal failure. No reason for it to continue

[Shadow_Soul]

Do. Not. Leave. Him.

Even on my most renegade playthroughs, David goes to Grissom. How do you do something like that? To your own brother, no less. Archer is one sick bastard, if you ask me.

Project Overlord failed, and David deserves something good after what Archer did to him. Send him to Grissom.

[DPSSOC]

I chose to continue the research, not as a means of controlling the Geth, but as a new level of cyber-warfare. Imagine what you could do if you could upload the Overlord virus to enemy ships. EDI cracks the firewalls, dumps the virus, and that ship is now your weapon. Yes it requires some tweaks to keep David in a controlled state (else we'd run into the same problems the team did) but it's worth it.

[Sajuro]

I destroyed it for much the same reason I blew the Collector Base, it is an abomination and shouldn't survive.

[Manic Sheep]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

You don't hook an autistic or idiot savant up to a machine which is practically designed to overload his or her senses, and expect the project to work at all well. Dr. Archer was just plain *incompetent* and should not be left in charge of the project.

This.

The project was a failure from the start. Had it been a choice between the suffering of one autistic kid and “millions of sons” then yeah and I do think that the renegade response is one of the best in the game but the project just seemed stupid, ridiculously risky and unnecessary.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[DPSSOC]

Manic Sheep wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...
You don't hook an autistic or idiot savant up to a machine which is practically designed to overload his or her senses, and expect the project to work at all well. Dr. Archer was just plain *incompetent* and should not be left in charge of the project.

This.
The project was a failure from the start. Had it been a choice between the suffering of one autistic kid and “millions of sons” then yeah and I do think that the renegade response is one of the best in the game but the project just seemed stupid, ridiculously risky and unnecessary.

Unnecessary?  Developing a means of communicating with, and perhaps controlling, an entire race on a level no one else could hope for is unnecessary?  Not to mention that we now know it's capable of so much more.  Just imagine what we could accomplish, we could bring galactic civilization to it's knees without ever having to fire a single shot.  War's breaking out, no problem, unleash the Overlord and shut both sides down.  We could force peace by denying people the tools of war.  This project, once perfected, is the perfect deterrant.

Yes what was done to David was terrible, I won't deny that and my first time through I let him loose, but if we're being realistic we have to accept that he is never going to recover from this.  So do you let his sufferring amount to nothing, or do you make it worth something.

[Spectre_907]

Sajuro wrote...

I destroyed it for much the same reason I blew the Collector Base, it is an abomination and shouldn't survive.

I preserved it for the same reason I preserved the Collector Base, its implications are invaluable.

[Dean_the_Young]

Shadow_Soul wrote...

Do. Not. Leave. Him.
Even on my most renegade playthroughs, David goes to Grissom. How do you do something like that? To your own brother, no less. Archer is one sick bastard, if you ask me.

Funny story, I remember shortly before Overlord came out, there was another Cerberus thread going on and on.

One remark that will always stick out in my mind was someone's declaration that they wouldn't accept Cerberus until some Cerberus scientist would put their own brother, as opposed to some stranger, in an experiment. The whole 'if you wouldn't do it to your family, you can't do it at all' sort of argument.

It was eerilie prescient, and more than a little ironic in that person's response afterwards.

[Xilizhra]

One remark that will always stick out in my mind was someone's declaration that they wouldn't accept Cerberus until some Cerberus scientist would put their own brother, as opposed to some stranger, in an experiment. The whole 'if you wouldn't do it to your family, you can't do it at all' sort of argument.

It was a stupid argument. There's always going to be some nut who cares as little about their own family as they do everyone else. Case in point.

[Dean_the_Young]

Or cares as much about everyone else as they do their own family.

One of the more significant experiences I had in my childhood was reading about an absolute pacifist who wouldn't resort to violence when his wife was raped and killed before him.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 12 février 2011 - 07:18 .

[Manic Sheep]

DPSSOC wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...
You don't hook an autistic or idiot savant up to a machine which is practically designed to overload his or her senses, and expect the project to work at all well. Dr. Archer was just plain *incompetent* and should not be left in charge of the project.

This.
The project was a failure from the start. Had it been a choice between the suffering of one autistic kid and “millions of sons” then yeah and I do think that the renegade response is one of the best in the game but the project just seemed stupid, ridiculously risky and unnecessary.

Unnecessary?  Developing a means of communicating with, and perhaps controlling, an entire race on a level no one else could hope for is unnecessary?  Not to mention that we now know it's capable of so much more.  Just imagine what we could accomplish, we could bring galactic civilization to it's knees without ever having to fire a single shot.  War's breaking out, no problem, unleash the Overlord and shut both sides down.  We could force peace by denying people the tools of war.  This project, once perfected, is the perfect deterrant.

Yes what was done to David was terrible, I won't deny that and my first time through I let him loose, but if we're being realistic we have to accept that he is never going to recover from this.  So do you let his sufferring amount to nothing, or do you make it worth something.

Perhaps unnecessary was the wrong word. This is not like the reaper threat where you know without a doubt that they are coming and that if you don’t stop them everybody dies and there is no coming back from it. 
The risk for this are very very high and IMO out way the benefits. You can already communicate with the geth and they are not even trying to invade. Tho no they aren’t friendly, they are at best neutral and yes steps need to be taken just in case but they aren’t enough of a threat to justify this sort of thing. They are a potential threat sure but so is everything.
The Turians are a potential threat, the Asari are a potential threat, another country is a potential threat and people who believe differently than you are a potential threat. Should we start doing incredibly risky and immoral experiments for all of them? How about mind control? That about the only way you would ever get true peace.
This project is more of threat than the Geth are. I’m not just talking about controlling David tho that certainly is a big concern.  “bring galactic civilization to its knees without ever having to fire a single shot” yeah, that’s part of the issue. You talk about forcing peace and being the perfect deterrent? You really think it would be used that way? I doubt that if Cerberus found away to control the geth they would only use Overlord if they attacked or that if they could control technology in this way they would only use to shut down wars. More likely it would be used by Cerberus to just take over and that’s certainly something I don’t want happening. I wouldn’t want to trust anyone with this sort of thing let alone Cerberus. Rather than stoping fighting this seems more likely to start it.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 février 2011 - 07:15 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Prior to Legion's relevations, a war with the Geth was 'inevitable.' Though the first invasion was beaten back, the Geth, and their means/economy for war, remained intact. They still worshiped the Reapers, and when the Reapers come, what basis to believe that the Geth wouldn't stand by their gods?





The intent, goal, and expectations about the Overlord VI wasn't that it could control all technology. That wasn't the expectation or the plan, and the fact that it could was the reason it was a disaster in the first place. Cerberus didn't go out and say, 'we want to conquer all cyberspace.'

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

If the research "pays off," you have enslaved a sentient species. Congrats.

[LuxDragon]

^ If the research pays off, Cerberus could literally control any machine out there, ie. mechs.



Imagine everything that happened on Aite, then take it to a galactic scale. If Cerberus succeeds, that's what might happen.

[vader da slayer]

Count Viceroy wrote...

If it takes one man to suffer so potentially millions might live then so be it.

Letting your feelings get in the way of better judgement by letting him go is up there among top of the parastupid idealistic choices that makes you want to facepalm. You spent an entire game witnessing what 5 % of the geth population could do to organics. What do you think happens if they all went to war?

Millions upon millions of casualties, but hey, at least you saved one kid from a horrible life. Feels good eh. Some people really fail to grasp what spectres really are and what they are supposed to do.

someone obviously doesn't pay attention to the Legion LM.

[Whereto]

Lets say this research would stop the reapers. If it did and it was so close to completion, i might of let it go ahead. Oddly enough i always let David go

[Dean_the_Young]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

If the research "pays off," you have enslaved a sentient species. Congrats.

A species that has actively been trying to genocide you without mercy. I don't know about you, but I spam AI Hacking alot when I fight hostile Geth, and I've never received a karma penalty for it before.

Of course, Overlord 'enslaving' Geth is a bit of a misnomer, because there's nothing in the VI the overwrites who or what the geth are, or does it against their will. It's not a rewrite of their very self, like the Heretic Virus option, and it's not a breakthrough in the ability to hack through the hack-resistant protocols like the Quarian research. It's presenting Geth with a Jesus-on-a-puppet and asking the Geth to do this or that. The religious inclination means the Geth wouldn't want to refuse: it's not enforced change of action, but encouraged change of action.

Geth with minimal religious inclinations (like, say perhaps True Geth) wouldn't be influenced.

[Whatever42]

Heh, if it is only the heretic Geth that are susecptible, by rewriting them, you might just undo everything they were attempting.

[AkiKishi]

One day I must take Legion along and show the guy in charge of Overlord how to cominicate with Geth.

[naledgeborn]

Science is supposed to be guided by ethics. Archer himself says that Project Overlord was unethical. If it was David's decision to sacrifice himself for the sake of science I would've let the project continue. It was not. David fell victim to his brother's ambition. Grissom Academy every time.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 12 février 2011 - 03:06 .