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[The Spamming Troll]

i hope ME3 is based off ME1. nothing happens in ME2 anyways other then meeting 6 or 7 new people. whoopde doo.

[Forsythia]

I doubt BioWare will abandon all those little things from ME1 all together. They are what made ME2 even more enjoyable, even if it were mostly emails or 5 minute encounters.

[D.Sharrah]

JamieCOTC wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Mars Nova wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

My biggest fear for ME 3 is that Bioware will make the decision to make ME 3 based more on the "definitive" - if not dilluted - version of ME 2, rather than the "complete version" of ME 2.  What is the community feelings on this in general.

Do you think ME 3 will live up to the initial expectations that your decisions throughout the trilogy will matter to the story?  Or does Bioware, cave to the pressure of creating an expierence that is the same across all platforms and therefore, dilluted by the lack of ME 1 decisions available to PS3 users? 

I'm trying to remain optimistic, but I fear that ME3 may become diluted and lessened. 

Same here...hoping for the best, but fearing the worst.

Is it so hard for some to understand that  we fear Bioware may not provide the awesomeness that was promised of a game that had hundreds (if not thousands) of choices carry through the entire story.  I never did understand why some were disappointed that they did not "see" the outcomes of all of their ME 1 choices in ME 2, even though they understod that it was a trilogy.  This is about that fear.  That now we will never see those choices come to light.

Bioware has revealed that Mass Effect 3 will be shaped by over 1,000 story variations from the first two games in the series.

btw, ME2 had 700 story variations. 

And that is the crux of this discussion...will see this promise carried out - or is the message that "ME 2 on PS3 is the definitive version of ME 2" a sign of things to come...that being because the story is limited to the comic and the content of ME 2 on PS3 that the decisions that the 360/PC Users made in ME 1 will become less important to the story of ME 3 in general? 

[D.Sharrah]

Forsythia wrote...

I doubt BioWare will abandon all those little things from ME1 all together. They are what made ME2 even more enjoyable, even if it were mostly emails or 5 minute encounters.

I do agree and hope that you are right.

[Forsythia]

I think you're missing the meaning of "definitive" version. It just means it's the last, the final, the best, and the most complete version of Mass Effect 2. No where does that state BioWare will ignore Mass Effect 1.

[bluewolv1970]

Forsythia wrote...

I think you're missing the meaning of "definitive" version. It just means it's the last, the final, the best, and the most complete version of Mass Effect 2. No where does that state BioWare will ignore Mass Effect 1.

except it is NOT the most complete because it is lacking potential quests and characters...

[D.Sharrah]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

I think you're missing the meaning of "definitive" version. It just means it's the last, the final, the best, and the most complete version of Mass Effect 2. No where does that state BioWare will ignore Mass Effect 1.

except it is NOT the most complete because it is lacking potential quests and characters...

And again it was the devloper's choice to call the PS3 version definitive, that leads some of us to fear ME 3 may be based on this less complete version...

[bluewolv1970]

D.Sharrah wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

I think you're missing the meaning of "definitive" version. It just means it's the last, the final, the best, and the most complete version of Mass Effect 2. No where does that state BioWare will ignore Mass Effect 1.

except it is NOT the most complete because it is lacking potential quests and characters...

And again it was the devloper's choice to call the PS3 version definitive, that leads some of us to fear ME 3 may be based on this less complete version...

I am not arguing, I agree totally and that is my biggest fear as too

[aftohsix]

D.Sharrah wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

I think you're missing the meaning of "definitive" version. It just means it's the last, the final, the best, and the most complete version of Mass Effect 2. No where does that state BioWare will ignore Mass Effect 1.

except it is NOT the most complete because it is lacking potential quests and characters...

And again it was the devloper's choice to call the PS3 version definitive, that leads some of us to fear ME 3 may be based on this less complete version...

There are those of us who believe that the PS3 version is not in any way "less complete"

[aftohsix]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

I think you're missing the meaning of "definitive" version. It just means it's the last, the final, the best, and the most complete version of Mass Effect 2. No where does that state BioWare will ignore Mass Effect 1.

except it is NOT the most complete because it is lacking potential quests and characters...

And you know this because you've played through the game multiple times on the PS3 even though it was released today?


EDIT:  Exactly which quests in Mass Effect 2 do you get as a result from an action you took in Mass Effect 1 BTW?

I've played through the game twice from a level 60 imported Shep and I can't remember a single quest.  A couple of emails and some cameos from NPCs but not an actual quest.

Get your facts straight.

Modifié par aftohsix, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:15 .

[bjdbwea]

Ever since ME 2 was released, some people wondered why it was so little of a continuation and instead felt like a completely different game with a completely different story. In my opinion, the reason for this is that they always planned the PS 3 version and therefore already during development of ME 2 made sure that it would be virtually a new start to the series. That's the reason why nothing from ME 1 really mattered in ME 2, and if this theory is correct, unfortunately it will also not matter in ME 3.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:20 .

[Cainne Chapel]

I think you guys may be reading into this a bit TOO much.



I highly doubt all the little "flavor" NPCs will be absent. Just like in my many 360/PC playthroughs, Some NPCs are present due to choices I made in ME1 and Some aren't depending on my playthrough.



I suspect ME3 will be the Same. Depending on your choices in ME1/2 some NPCs may be present and some may not. I doubt it will be huge sweeping changes, but as the DEVs said in posts before ME2, it will adjsut the "flavor" of the game

[aftohsix]

bjdbwea wrote...

Ever since ME 2 was released, some people wondered why it was so little of a continuation and instead felt like a completely different game with a completely different story. In my opinion, the reason for this is that they always planned the PS 3 version and therefore already during development of ME 2 made sure that it would be virtually a new start to the series. That's the reason why nothing from ME 1 really mattered in ME 2, and if this theory is correct, unfortunately it will also not matter in ME 3.

Read up on how most fictional trilogies are structured.  The second part often does very little to extend the main plot points of the overarching story and instead tend to focus on character development which is EXACTLY what Mass Effect 2 did.

I'm sick of seeing this same old complaint come up.  The major decisions you made in Mass Effect 1 will have an effect in Mass Effect 3.

Of course you all don't care about that...  If Bioware forgets to add some sort of email or comment from some minor NPC from Mass Effect 1 these forums will be filled with posts about how "Mass Effect 1 didn't matter and it's all the PS3's fault!!"

[bjdbwea]

aftohsix wrote...

The major decisions you made in Mass Effect 1 will have an effect in Mass Effect 3.

Since you apparently already have played ME 3, can you also tell us whether the effect will be more than a few emails?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:38 .

[aftohsix]

bjdbwea wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

The major decisions you made in Mass Effect 1 will have an effect in Mass Effect 3.

Since you apparantly already have played the game, can you also tell us whether the effect will be more than a few emails?

I haven't played the game but I know and have faith in Bioware and I understand the way fictional trilogies are structured.

At least I'm not filling the forum with speculative BS with a strong system specific bias.


EDIT:  You're probably right though.  Saving the Rachni will be mentioned in a email even though the plot thread seems to be heading towards Shep assembling an army to fight the Reapers.

Modifié par aftohsix, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:41 .

[Cainne Chapel]

Well Bjd, what would you like the effect to be?



I mean its just not rational to think there will be HUGE major changes for EVERY choice, maybe a few (Who lived/died, council, rachni, Geth, Quarians, etc). But I highly doubt EVERY choice will make a huge outcome.



I would expect most will be a few lines of dialogue here and there, maybe an NPC present here or there, etc. Just like with ME1 to ME2.

[aftohsix]

DarthTrey wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Feros doesn't matter...the Thorian doesn't matter...Cerebus's previous actions don't matter...your pre-service history doesn't matter...I could go on.

Even when ME 2 came out at people complained that they were not seeing the "affects" of their decisions in ME 1 influence the game...we were told not to worry that those decisions were flagged and that by the time ME 3 came out we would see our impact on the story. Now that the PS3 version has come out, those choices have been narrowed to 6 that will have an impact?

Are you really ok with that?

If you played Mass Effect 2 on the 360 after playing Mass Effect 1 decisions such as the Thorian were addressed. Shiala hints that she'll be back in Mass Effect 3. If you didn't play Mass Effect 1, but played Mass Effect 2 Shiala didn't make an appearance at all, and the Thorian is never addressed.

As someone who has played the Mass Effect series on the X-Box 360 I expect Bioware to use all of the decisions made in both games. As a fan of the series I would be personally insulted if they choose to ignore decisions made in the first game to accommodate people on the PS3. Before Bioware officially announced the PS3 release, Bioware set this expectation for themselves.

As for those who just played Mass Effect 2 (whether that be on PC, X-Box 360, or PS3), I don't expect the decisions made in side quest or the Thorian or anything else that isn't included in the comic to have any impact on their Mass Effect 3 game (positive or negative).

THIS  - Great post.  Rationally thought out, no conclusions jumped to.

Using his example for the 360 users maybe in Mass Effect 3 people who chose to save Shiala in part one will be able to get some green skinned Asari boom boom as a side quest in part 3.  

Modifié par aftohsix, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:52 .

[bjdbwea]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Well Bjd, what would you like the effect to be?

I mean its just not rational to think there will be HUGE major changes for EVERY choice, maybe a few (Who lived/died, council, rachni, Geth, Quarians, etc). But I highly doubt EVERY choice will make a huge outcome.

I would expect most will be a few lines of dialogue here and there, maybe an NPC present here or there, etc. Just like with ME1 to ME2.

If you want to see how developers can make your actions as well as small and big decisions in a game really matter, you should play Alpha Protocol. Granted, it didn't have to take into account anything from a previous game, but you'll get the idea. Of course some things are only mentioned in emails, but the majority is mentioned in dialogue, changes the opinions that NPCs have about your player character, makes them help or oppose him, enables or disables some side quests, and noticeably changes the path of the story. Also granted, not even ME 1 did that much to make your decisions matter. But instead of providing more decisions and making them matter more, ME 2 provided less, and most of them don't make any difference at all. Why would they suddenly in the next? Of course I hope that they will, but after ME 2, I doubt it.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:02 .

[Cainne Chapel]

But Once again I think You're discounting ME2 a little too much, Devs have even said as much that ME3 would be wrapping everything up, So I have no reason to doubt that.

Granted MORE could have been done yes, but given the arena in which you were working in, in ME2, Much of what would be answered in ME1 couldnt really have been addressed since you were travelling in different sectors for the most part.



But as we're still a year or so from ME3, All we can do right now is speculate, the DEVS have said our decisions would impact ME3, now how much remains to be seen, But just personally, I wouldnt hope for wide expansive changes and I would expect, as the devs have said, more subtle changes in the course of the story due to the decisions, enough to be noticeable, but not enough do derail the plot that they're going for for the overall story arc

[Chuvvy]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Feros doesn't matter...the Thorian doesn't matter...Cerebus's previous actions don't matter...your pre-service history doesn't matter...I could go on.

Even when ME 2 came out at people complained that they were not seeing the "affects" of their decisions in ME 1 influence the game...we were told not to worry that those decisions were flagged and that by the time ME 3 came out we would see our impact on the story. Now that the PS3 version has come out, those choices have been narrowed to 6 that will have an impact?

Are you really ok with that?

I mean we all know that over 95% of the variables used (at best) will only get you news updates and e-mails that have no impact on gameplay. Right?

[RVallant]

I'm not entirely sure what people expected from ME2? Listening to news reports of whats happened after ME1 choices plus the cameos and stuff have all been quite consistent...



It was nice to meet Helena Blake again for example but I wasn't expecting a big hoo hah over her since her plotline was quite small. As long as the big decisions which, I expect should be coming up in ME3 carry over then it's all good. People want too much from Bioware regarding consequences I think.

[bluewolv1970]

aftohsix wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

I think you're missing the meaning of "definitive" version. It just means it's the last, the final, the best, and the most complete version of Mass Effect 2. No where does that state BioWare will ignore Mass Effect 1.

except it is NOT the most complete because it is lacking potential quests and characters...

And you know this because you've played through the game multiple times on the PS3 even though it was released today?


EDIT:  Exactly which quests in Mass Effect 2 do you get as a result from an action you took in Mass Effect 1 BTW?

I've played through the game twice from a level 60 imported Shep and I can't remember a single quest.  A couple of emails and some cameos from NPCs but not an actual quest.

Get your facts straight.

Okay - facts

you only get the Giana Parasini quest if you keep her alive int ME1 - otherwise you do not get her quest

you only get the Conrad Verner quest in me2 - if you interact with him in me1 otherwise he is not there

you only get Medical Scans quest if you save Feros colonists and you ony get shiala as quest giver if you save her...

So as I asked how can the definitive version of the game be one which is missing three quests?  Not to mention the other cameos and emails etc...AND I know these are not in the ps3 version because you do not have those choices in the interactive comic...so in conclusion my definition of definitive would include all quests and options...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:23 .

[Aglazzboi]

All I know is this is going to be ridiculous until me 3 comes out.