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[Gleym]

didymos1120 wrote...

Gleym wrote...

I like how you say that as if ME2 zealots are any different in their rabid defense of the changes made.

I like how you failed to notice he didn't say anything about ME1 or ME2, but simply described a particular personality type.

Except for the fact that smudboy is speaking out against ME2, and it's only ME2 fanatics that so rabidly defend the game and go out of their way to mock people who speak out about it.

[Felfenix]

Gleym wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Gleym wrote...

I like how you say that as if ME2 zealots are any different in their rabid defense of the changes made.

I like how you failed to notice he didn't say anything about ME1 or ME2, but simply described a particular personality type.

Except for the fact that smudboy is speaking out against ME2, and it's only ME2 fanatics that so rabidly defend the game and go out of their way to mock people who speak out about it.

You seem to be attacking about half the forum, accusing them of being zealots or dumb for disagreeing. Perhaps the problem is just you, instead of... everyone except you?

[Babli]

Felfenix wrote...

Gleym wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Gleym wrote...

I like how you say that as if ME2 zealots are any different in their rabid defense of the changes made.

I like how you failed to notice he didn't say anything about ME1 or ME2, but simply described a particular personality type.

Except for the fact that smudboy is speaking out against ME2, and it's only ME2 fanatics that so rabidly defend the game and go out of their way to mock people who speak out about it.

You seem to be attacking about half the forum, accusing them of being zealots or dumb for disagreeing. Perhaps the problem is just you, instead of... everyone except you?

meh..rest of ME 1 fans are just tired of being called "elitists" who cant play hybrid game everytime they defend something about first ME.

[didymos1120]

Felfenix wrote...
You seem to be attacking about half the forum, accusing them of being zealots or dumb for disagreeing. Perhaps the problem is just you, instead of... everyone except you?

Don't be silly. That would make sense.

[didymos1120]

Babli wrote...

meh..rest of ME 1 fans are just tired of being called "elitists" who cant play hybrid game everytime they defend something about first ME.

Yes, and if you ask the rabid ME2 people, they'll complain about being tired of having to deal with ME1 people everytime they defend something about ME2. Both groups behave like one another more often than not.  Which is to say, they're equally zealous and annoying.

[Aimi]

Babli wrote...

meh..rest of ME 1 fans are just tired of being called "elitists" who cant play hybrid game everytime they defend something about first ME.

Yeah, and ME2 fans are tired of being called Gears of War-loving hoi polloi who are too stupid to play a proper RPG.  Both groups get butthurt about stuff like that.

Modifié par daqs, 19 janvier 2011 - 12:07 .

[Felfenix]

There used to be a poster on these forums, Ecael, who posted a lot of constructive criticisms and ways to improve ME2's systems for ME3 that just about everyone liked. She was very civil, too. I hope Bioware hired her.

Modifié par Felfenix, 19 janvier 2011 - 12:24 .

[Layzr]

man i wish i never watched those videos, although i see what hes saying, its a shame he looked into it that much and now i wish i never played me2

[aftohsix]

 I watched a bit of the first part till he used the quote "Its like someone took the themal clip idea and then went full retard."

Look.  I'm not the most P.C. guy out there but my brother is mentally handicapped and that kind of talk means this kid is ignorant, stupid, and ultimately not worth listening to.

Why is it so goddamned important for Bioware wanting the guns to have ammo to make sense with the lore?

[Felfenix]

Layzr wrote...

man i wish i never watched those videos, although i see what hes saying, its a shame he looked into it that much and now i wish i never played me2

aftohsix wrote...

 I watched a bit of the first part till he used the quote "Its like someone took the themal clip idea and then went full retard."

Look.  I'm not the most P.C. guy out there but my brother is mentally handicapped and that kind of talk means this kid is ignorant, stupid, and ultimately not worth listening to.

Why is it so goddamned important for Bioware wanting the guns to have ammo to make sense with the lore?

From a dev on the DA2 boards, but I find it a bit fitting:

As for the rest of the chest-beating going on in this thread, it's interesting. I don't think anyone should buy a game they're not interested in, and some people seem so certain that they'll dislike the changes that have been made I'm not sure they even would enjoy the game when they play it-- you'd need an open mind for that, whereas
some of these folks will go in looking for reasons to back up their preconceptions and thus will surely find them.

Which is kinda sad, isn't it? As a reason to play a game, I mean. I hope I'm wrong on
that point, and some of these folks will actually enjoy the game when they get it -- warts and all (for what game doesn't have a few?). C'est la vie!

I think what's going on here in the ME boards are exactly what he fears will happen with DA. No game is perfect, but some people take it to such an extreme level that it's clear they have some kind of agenda and are deeply invested in their hatred. I don't know how someone can actually "hate" one ME game but "love" another, because for all their differences they aren't THAT different.

Modifié par Felfenix, 19 janvier 2011 - 01:16 .

[oldag07]

Criticism is important. So is criticism of criticism. As long as we are civil, i am cool.

Only saw most of the first part of the video. Not a fan of it. I disagree with his main premise.

What makes mass effect 2 good isn't necessarily the storyline, the gameplay, visuals or the changes made from the first, and it certainly isn't the plot. It is the universe itself.. . . .

While the universe is an amazing part of the game, it is the balance of the all of the elements, the storyline,gameplay, visuals, plot and the universe that makes the game good. Not one element, but many. And sometimes developers have to compromise one element to make another better.

So I do have issues when the guy spends 4 minutes on thermoclips. Sure it was under shaky logic, but come on. Same could be said for medigel, and squad based ammo. These decision was made for gameplay reasons. And while these are valid inconsistancies, you don't have to take 12 minutes to complain about it. He could have said it in 2 mins max.

Modifié par oldag07, 19 janvier 2011 - 01:43 .

[Tasker]

A lot of what he said in the videos can be classed as just nitpicking, and the main points that he brings up have been gone over again and again on these forums, but that doesn't stop the bulk of what he is saying being true.



There are a crap load of inconsistancies and contradictions in ME2 that can in no way be justified by Bioware going "Oh, but it makes the game better." - That's just a load of bollocks, there were much better and less invasive methods of fixing the problems of ME1, without all the retcon butchering.

[armass]

I think he is really nitpicking this game, but some things he brought up really need to be looked at.

Shepard should have fought the Cerberus at least in the beginning and especially if he was a sole survivor. Why doesnt he remember any of it or bring it up?

The fact that Joker can walk pretty normally is really never explained. I guess they developed some temporary cure or something but it is never discussed`. Why?

yes the Hugo Gernsback crew had weapons that had thermal clips in them but also mechs? HOW? I tought mechs werent put to use until after it crashed.

Also Liara's kinda fast change in character bothered me.

And the latest insult is the comic which I think leaves so many unexplained things, like how Saren got to the Citadel from Ilos. And what he was doing on Ilos in the first place? And how could Shepard even know to go there since the message apparantly was only partly constructed by Liara (no Feros adventure or Thorian or Cypher mentioned at all or the geth, you know the army Saren had)?

Seriously get you facts straight whoever supervised the story writing. It's your companys own story!! Dont pull " A wizard did it "on your backstory to new PS3 players.

Modifié par armass, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:11 .

[Aimi]

armass wrote...

Also Liara's kinda fast change in character bothered me.

It's been two years, and she's in the asari equivalent of her early twenties, and she either lost the love of her life or one of her closest friends to start it out.  What was so bothersome about that?

[Uszi]

SkyJackal wrote...

I've seen people slate this guy before but I actually find his videos to be pretty valuable feedback. Yes, he goes about it in a mildly comical way but the intentions are definate valid. I really do hope Bioware have watched.

Meh, these reviews struck me as a less funny attempt to duplicate the success of these videos.

Anything that can generate a 108 page hate response must be golden.

Crap's hilarious.

Modifié par Uszi, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:40 .

[bjdbwea]

Felfenix wrote...

I think what's going on here in the ME boards are exactly what he fears will happen with DA. No game is perfect, but some people take it to such an extreme level that it's clear they have some kind of agenda and are deeply invested in their hatred. I don't know how someone can actually "hate" one ME game but "love" another, because for all their differences they aren't THAT different.

Who played ME 2 just to back up their preconceptions? Virtually no one, I'd say. I love ME 1, and I gave ME 2 every chance to convince me too. I had a few doubts already after reading about some of the changes, but I still anticipated a fantastic game from BioWare yet again. Only that it wasn't, none of the changes in ME 2 , except obviously for the improvements in graphics and sound, were for the better (all in my opinion, of course). I don't "hate" any video game, but I dislike ME 2 because I enjoyed it much less than its predecessor. And that's all there is to it, it has nothing to do with any preconceptions.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:49 .

[Drowsy0106]

bjdbwea wrote...

Felfenix wrote...

I think what's going on here in the ME boards are exactly what he fears will happen with DA. No game is perfect, but some people take it to such an extreme level that it's clear they have some kind of agenda and are deeply invested in their hatred. I don't know how someone can actually "hate" one ME game but "love" another, because for all their differences they aren't THAT different.

Who played ME 2 just to back up their preconceptions? Virtually no one, I'd say. I love ME 1, and I gave ME 2 every chance to convince me too. I had a few doubts already after reading about some of the changes, but I still anticipated a fantastic game from BioWare yet again. Only that it wasn't, none of the changes in ME 2 , except obviously for the improvements in graphics and sound, were for the better (all in my opinion, of course). I don't "hate" any video game, but I dislike ME 2 because I enjoyed it much less than its predecessor. And that's all there is to it, it has nothing to do with any preconceptions.

+1 

[sth128]

I don't hate ME2, but I do agree with smudboy on the points regarding the new heatsinks. Sniper rifles and shotguns do not fire faster (especially sniper rifles which require "reloading" after every shot), however they now have the added limitation of ammunition.



The other serious issue about rejecting high energy heat sinks is the fact that they SET FIRE TO EVERYTHING. Even though we only saw this with Zaeed's mission, That scene essentially indicated that every ejected sink is a hot piece of coal. Frankly I was surprised Shepard didn't start a forest fire on New Horizon (or whatever it was called, it was the grassy planet).



The other point he made regarding the Gernsback mission is valid. Those people should not have access to either battle mechs or disposable heatsinks.



Yes you can call it "nitpicking", but you cannot deny these are glaring discontinuities on the part of the story teller. If Bioware is trying to create an immersive environment for the audience, they should try and eliminate these mistakes.



And no, I don't think smudboy is as funny as RedLetter Media, but that's because RLM has a midichlorian count of OVER NINE THOUSAND. Not even Yoda has that high a count, and Yoda doesn't even know how to make videos.

[Epic777]

me1 vs me2: round X

[Felfenix]

The Viper sniper rifle can rapid fire a dozen shots, just to nitpick. Totally underrated weapon.

Modifié par Felfenix, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:08 .

[Phaedon]

Epic777 wrote...

me1 vs me2: round X

More like 80000th thread with the same sarcastic video and the same inflammatory responses, number of threads locked: zero?

[Il Divo]

cachx wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

If so, then I hope that wasn't just because he criticized the game.

He did have some violent outbursts when, uh... reasoned into a corner.

I know this is off-topic, but does anyone have a link to this thread?

[Phaedon]

Felfenix wrote...

There used to be a poster on these forums, Ecael, who posted a lot of constructive criticisms and ways to improve ME2's systems for ME3 that just about everyone liked. She was very civil, too. I hope Bioware hired her.

Hired or not (why would she be hired anyway?) I am pretty sure that they listened to her suggestions. They were pretty good, as well. 

[cachx]

Epic777 wrote...
me1 vs me2: round X

Threads like these have been on the rise lately. I guess the dissenters have problem coping with the overwhelming positive response ME2 got at awards season.

Il Divo wrote...
I know this is off-topic, but does anyone have a link to this thread? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

You'll have to look around on old Ecael and Smudboy threads, but they're there. F-bombs were dropped, babies were eaten. Oh, the horror!

[samurai crusade]

armass wrote...

Shepard should have fought the Cerberus at least in the beginning and especially if he was a sole survivor. Why doesnt he remember any of it or bring it up?

The fact that Joker can walk pretty normally is really never explained. I guess they developed some temporary cure or something but it is never discussed`. Why?

Also Liara's kinda fast change in character bothered me.

I agree that the PS3 comic was a waste and a disgrace.  However a few of your comments need to be addressed.
Cerberus missions were optional in ME1 so some Shepards never encountered Cerberus. This explains why a major confrontation couldn't take place base upon their previous reputation.   And I don't recall a mission other than the Collector base in which Shepard really had a reason to argue with TIM.

Joker has brittle bone not Cerebral Palsey. He can walk he just breaks bones easy and as he said in ME1 "I have to be careful when I go to the bathroom" though this was obviously a joke about his condition.
Liara had 2 years to become the way she is.   After 2 years of Shepard being dead... unsure if Cerberus would bring him back like they thought they could. She was focused on getting revenge on the Shadow Broker. Then, she knew the Reaper threat was greater and taking over the Broker's network would be valuable.