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[marshalleck]

Because the writing for Mass Effect has noticeably deteriorated since Drew Karpyshyn went to work on TOR, Chris L'etoile quit Bioware and went to work for Zenimax Media, and Mac Walters took over and started focusing on the atrocious comics.

Dragon Age is becoming my new Bioware IP of choice. David Gaider and the rest of his team seem far more competent.

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 janvier 2011 - 12:50 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

Because this is a videogame forum.

[hawat333]

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.

[GuardianAngel470]

I like to expect the worst.



There's a small chance I'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Badpie]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
Why is everyone assuming the worst?
Good question.
I think primarily because it seems Bioware is slipping from their former place amongst the "Gold standard developers" and is heading towards the more usual "we're doing this stuff to make a ton of money devs".
I don't know if it's because they just have to many projects running or they simply don't care any more, But it seems like they have just stopped polishing their games, Hell even making patches to combat game stopping bugs (DA awakening) have stopped.
And ME2 while a good game is not as good a game as it could have been if it had a sense of direction and somebody to notice stuff like helmets should be removed from the armor when drinking or talking ..i mean really it's laughable stupid even though it's just a minor detail.
Whats much worse is the complete lack of coherent narrative, ME2 seems to be completely directionless.
- lets kill of Shepard in the beginning because..well hell lets just do it for no reason, Lets also have him/her work for Cerberus because . i don't know it would be cool i guess, we'll make up a reason as we go along.
And whats the primary objective of the game?
- In ME1 people liked the squad mates so let's make the game about gathering squadmates..but this time let's put twice as many in the game.. that will make the players happy.
I meant the story..what does the player hope to accomplish in this game?
- Hell..i don't know..something big with his/her squadmates, Blow up some reaper installation or something it doesnt really matter as long as Shepard comes of as Proactive.
Isen't proactive the kind of words stupid people uses to sound smarter than they really is....i'm fired ain't i?
- Oh yes.

Bioware once stod for polished games with great storylines .. now their style seems to be to just make an reasonalby workerble game with an so-so storyline and consumers can sense that, People who before just blindly bought Bioware games because they knew it would be a good polished experience are now experiencing doubt.

I was gonna snip this and then agree and add something but this pretty much sums it up.  Instead of just buying a Bioware game and knowing that it will be awesome, people are having to go "wait...will it?"  And that irks me.  Because Bioware is capable of awesomeness, but they care more now about appealing to the larger crowd and making money.  I get that you wanna make money, but there are a thousand game companies out there doing the stuff that "makes money."  Bioware had that great combo of carving out a unique niche for itself while also making money.  And now that unique niche is in danger of going bye bye....  Okay I added something.  Sorry.

[STG]

Hoping for the best here, but I won't be buying ME3 until I check reviews from several sources that will speak the truth instead of buying into the hype.



I guess my faith in Bioware is shaken with ME2's disjointed story telling and their latest comics.

[Rykoth]

I love how people are so negative here. It's worse then a damn MMO forum.



Just because you don't like ME2 does not make it bad. It's a matter of opinion. Key word: opinion. It does not set it in stone. I wish people FFS could actually agree on that. The ME1 haters who claim ME1 is a bad game are stating opinion and need to stop preaching it as fact. The ME2 haters who claim ME2 is bad and ME1 is superior are stating opinion and need to stop preaching as fact.



Just because you loved ME1, weren't fond of ME2, does NOT mean you won't love ME3.



The negativity is growing really annoying. I don't know whose worse. "The sky is falling because we can't play as a Warden" people from the DA side of things, or "The sky is falling because ME2 wasn't the bestest game in the world to me" people from the ME side of things.

[Da_Lion_Man]

STG wrote...

Hoping for the best here, but I won't be buying ME3 until I check reviews from several sources that will speak the truth instead of buying into the hype.

I guess my faith in Bioware is shaken with ME2's disjointed story telling and their latest comics.

Yeah it's funny. Even if Bioware makes ME3 the ****tiest game ever, people would still defend it. Bioware can basically poo in our mouthes and if you don't like that, you're a hater.

[Torhagen]

The comic does a decent job although it doesn't show that Udina is a mean selfish **** that would sell his Grandma to get ahead if it would be for Udina the MEverse would have been conquered by the reapers
Udina stabs you in the back at 5:00
the Cipher you acquire during the story mission on Feros is left out too it is how shepard was able to understand a message from a long extinct race.
it is as i thought it produces a cleft between 360/pc and the PS3

[lawp79]

I expect the worst simply because I was dissapointed with mass effect 2, I felt the choices I made in the first game had no real consequence and I basically feel the choices I have now made with 2 will have no real consequence in 3. Dont get me wrong 2 is a good game but for me it wasnt what was promised way back when and now all the hype has started for 3, all the "in 3 the people who romanced the v/s will be happy" or "in 3 we will see the consequences to all our choices" etc, etc the list could go on for ever.



I will buy 3 on its release and im sure I will like it, but im also sure that a part of me will be dissapointed. Thats life though huh? They cant please everyone.

[Suron]

because the comic is an abortion and it's the same guy in charge of ME3's direction/story...



I'm smelling an X-Men 3/Spiderman 3 here.



BioWare's quality HAS in fact gone down. Yes they're a company out to make money..but they're slipping.



As many improvements as ME2 made they cut too many corners in other areas.



Stupid killing off of Shepard that serves no purpose except to get you working for Cerberus and to sell the Liara comic and LotSB. They could have railroad us into Cerberus in a much better way that wasn't so trite and idiotic. And they really wouldn't have had to change much...Council/ALliance are downplaying Reapers...you know Human colonies are being abducted..you have no one else willing to do ANYTHING BUT Cerberus...boom..no idiotic killing off and rebirthing Shepard for no apparent reason.



plus many more that I won't get into, as this isn't the thread for them really, and it's all been said before.

[Phaedon]

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

My 20 years on Earth has taught me that way too many people are cynics. I've heard it said that "idealism precedes experience, cynicism is what follows." If cynicism is following your experience, then you're taking the easy way out and not interpreting your experience right!

[Da_Lion_Man]

Suron wrote...

because the comic is an abortion and it's the same guy in charge of ME3's direction/story...

What? Are you sure about that? O.o

Damn...

[Torhagen]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Suron wrote...

because the comic is an abortion and it's the same guy in charge of ME3's direction/story...

What? Are you sure about that? O.o

Damn...

The infamous Comic

[Kristofer1]

I am not anticipating greatness because EA runs Bioware. EA is TERRIBLE. Look at ME2 fun to play yet the storyline doesnt feel like it did in ME1. I really dont feel like I am closer to understanding the motive of the reapers. I dont feel like we discovered a way to possibly stop them. Regarding decisions from ME1, I for one did not see any significant influence over any event in ME2. Seeing that I feel that ME3 will not be able to take any decisions we players consider "major" and have large impacts on the story.

The writers are doing the best they can with the time lines however I dont believe EA is operating the project in the best interests of the bioware group, or the best interests of the ME franchise.

[klossen4]

i do not find EA terrible at least activision do not own them.

[didymos1120]

Suron wrote...

because the comic is an abortion and it's the same guy in charge of ME3's direction/story...

That's not how it works.  "Lead Writer" is not the same thing as "guy who decides everything about the story." It doesn't even mean "guy who actually writes most of the script". Not true for ME1, not true for ME2, and won't be true for ME3.  The basic story is worked out by the producer, lead writer, and the lead game designer together, and the producer, Casey Hudson, has the final say.  Then the entire writing team is consulted and they do a few iterations before finally locking it down and giving individual writers particular levels, characters, etc. to work on.   And then, during the development process changes get made: characters get dropped.  Lines get dropped.  Things like recruitment order are altered.  So on. So forth.  Now, as far as the overall direction of ALL the games goes?  That's Casey Hudson and it always has been.  He's the guy who defined where the story began and where it was going to end up.

[Aigyl]

I think people are overreacting to the comic just a tad. Yes, the writing sucks and Virmire Survivors got screwed, but good lord. A small free comic aimed at briefly re-capping the main story of ME1 to new players not being teh best thing evar!!! now means that ME1 is completely retconned and ME3's writing will be garbage? 

Oh, and I totally agree with everything CmdrKankrelat said. 

[marshalleck]

Aigyl wrote...

I think people are overreacting to the comic just a tad. Yes, the writing sucks and Virmire Survivors got screwed, but good lord. A small free comic aimed at briefly re-capping the main story of ME1 to new players not being teh best thing evar!!! now means that ME1 is completely retconned and ME3's writing will be garbage? 

Oh, and I totally agree with everything CmdrKankrelat said. 

No, I was worried about ME3 before the comic existed. Although worried is perhaps too strong a word. Skeptical is more like it. 

ME2 is a good game that has some flaws. I will not pretend the flaws don't exist. It's very possible that ME3 will suffer more of the same.

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 janvier 2011 - 02:15 .

[Obadiah]

The comic didn't even mention Cerberus. Any PS3 first time player probably has no proper context (killed Kohuku, tried to breed/control rachni) of the organization that just recruited them.

[Encarmine]

I read this thred through, am I to understand, they have moved the main Mass Effect writer to The Old Republic?



If this is true, then S&*t FU*k and Boll%x. Thats bad news indeed. Thats like moving Peter Jackson off The Lord of the Rings after the Two Towers, it just wouldnt of worked.



When will EA understand, NOTHING it does will defeat World of Warcraft, its established, the 12million somthing people playing it have invested time, made freinds and exist on realms that have built up complicated social structure over 5 years. NOTHING anyone does will convince even 20% of them to move to a totally new MMO. Stop sending developers to their financial deaths in your stupid attempt at taking on Bliazzard-Activision.



TOR is going to push Bioware to its absolute limits, if it fails to attract the business, dont expect EA to hold onto them as an asset, EA is run for investor profit only, games are mearly their tool to make money.



If Bioware are moving staff like their main writers from their primary franchises like Mass Effect, clearly shows they themselves understand just how fragile their position is as a profitable asset once TOR goes live.



And leaves me as a fan of Mass Effect concerned about what the future holds in terms of ME3. To be honest, seeing pictures from genesis, of tali and garrus flying through the air duel wielding semi auto pistols, does not leave me filled with confidance.

[marshalleck]

Well personally I think TOR is going to break Bioware. MMO ventures have lead to the demise of many studios in the past. I try to keep that particular doom-and-gloom to myself though. At least we'll get DA2 and ME3 before Bioware folds.

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 janvier 2011 - 02:34 .

[Obadiah]

Oh man, this is "moving/new writer" thing is starting to look more like comic books. Usually a bad sign for the storyline.

[Encarmine]

nah im with you on that, ive seen many studios get sacrificed on the alter of 'Defeat WoW' far too many times.



Give up people! WoW isnt just a game to its subscribers, its a way of life, trust me, 5 years I played in a hardcore raiding guild. Only reason im not playing Cataclysm right now is I moved countries lol

[didymos1120]

Encarmine wrote...

I read this thred through, am I to understand, they have moved the main Mass Effect writer to The Old Republic?

*sigh*  People just keep insisting on this notion that "Lead writer" means "person who decides most everything about dialogue and characters and plot".  That's NOT how it works.  Yeah do they write stuff themselves, but it's a largely supervisory position.  They coordinate the writing TEAM.  The games are not written like a novel or a typical screenplay.  From an interview with Mac Walters:

Well speaking of that, you know the second game and third game are being written together, whereas the first game was sort of written off by itself. Do you ...

Ah, not quite. That's not really true with the way we handle that sort of thing. Like, I mean we had, essentially, with the first one we said, "Here's the art for the three games." Now obviously what's in Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 wasn't really fleshed out. We said, "We know basically where we want to go with it." But we wrote Mass Effect 1 with that in mind. You know, we said, "Here's where we want it to go." If you ask Casey Hudson, the producer, he knew where he wanted Mass Effect 3 to eventually end up. Obviously we had [Mass Effect 1] behind us. We still don't know where [Mass Effect 3's] going to go, and maybe it's shifting and changing a little bit based on where you want to be flexible too. But we still wrote it within that framework.

and:

Well what is the actual process when you set about writing a game like this. Do you just sit down in your room at a typewriter and bang out the overall story for Mass Effect? You have a lot of planning meetings? How does it work?

So, generally what happens is that early in the projects -- so early Mass Effect 1 or early Mass Effect 2 -- myself, Lead Designer, Preston Watamaniuk and then Casey Hudson, the producer, we'll sit down and we'll work on the big picture stuff. What's the art? Where do we want Shepard to start? Where do we want him to go? What are the obstacles that he's going to face? And we'll bash that around for a bit and then I'll take that back to the writing team and get feedback, and they get to contribute to it as well. But once that gets hammered down, then we start looking at "What are the different levels? What are the smaller areas?" And a lot of times that's when each individual writer starts. You've got control over that level, make it work. And then overall I'm just making sure that it all fits a theme.

No single person is responsible for the writing in ANY of the ME games.  Not even for the basic plot. Definitely not at all true when it comes to creating characters.  There just plain is no "main" writer.  Not Drew Karpyshyn on ME1, and not Mac Walters on ME2 and ME3.  It's certainly very convenient to ascribe credit and/or blame to one guy, but that's all it is: convenient.  The facts are very different.

Modifié par didymos1120, 19 janvier 2011 - 02:52 .