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[Drowsy0106]

Doubt Bioware had anything to do with this. EA on the other hand...

[darknoon5]

Drowsy0106 wrote...

Doubt Bioware had anything to do with this. EA on the other hand...

Here we go again with rEApers.
What a joke.

[VampireCommando]

If you expectf the worse at least there might be a chance you can be pleasantly surprised

[thegreateski]

Because the worst always happens.

Finagle's law.

Modifié par thegreateski, 19 janvier 2011 - 06:31 .

[Mister Mida]

*puts down his seat. sits his ass down and grabs some popcorn*



Oh this sounds like fun. Let's see where this is going.

[Praetor Knight]

Well, I'll share this here: "expect the best, plan for the worst, and prepare to be surprised." - Denis Waitley

So, I expect ME3 to be the best possible finished product it can be, plan to buy several DLC's to experience the whole product, and not be surprised as a result by a solid ending to the Trilogy.

[Fredvdp]

I know Patrick Weekes reads the threads but doesn't like to post when people are being mean about his colleagues. That's about every thread about the Mass Effect storyline.

[FeelTheMighty]

There really isn't much to screw up. All they really have to do is figure out how they're gonna work in the squadmates from ME2.



I mean, I guess I'm in the minority here, but I didn't think that ME1 or ME2 had incredibly sophisticated plots...It's a sci-fi adventure about defeating robots with a bunch of classic fantasy/hollywood cliche's laced in.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Fredvdp wrote...

I know Patrick Weekes reads the threads but doesn't like to post when people are being mean about his colleagues. That's about every thread about the Mass Effect storyline.

How do you "know" that, may I ask?

[Rune-Chan]

Personally I don't see what's so bad about the Mass Effect 2 storyline, if taken as an individual game then yes, it could have had more direction but from the perspective of being number 2 in a trilogy it set up the third one quite nicely.



It's like Lord of the Rings really; the whole story arc of Saruman and the Uruk-Hai (which takes up 90% of the book/film) has very little relevance in the long run to what happens in the final chapter. Most of the characters end up fighting this new army and at the end they defeat them. The only real part that moves the plot forward are Frodo and Sam getting closer to Mordor.



It's the same thing here really. They have fought and defeated the Reapers slaves and are now slightly close to their goal of defeating them.



My only criticism of Mass Effect 2 if I look back on it is how most of it is based upon recruitment and loyalty missions time-wise when it's possible for them to all die.



This leads to my only two concerns for Mass Effect 3:



Will our decisions actually be relevant?

Will the team-mates (beyond Liara) have any serious role to play as they can pretty much all die?

[Phaedon]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I know Patrick Weekes reads the threads but doesn't like to post when people are being mean about his colleagues. That's about every thread about the Mass Effect storyline.

How do you "know" that, may I ask?

I wouldn't say that claiming that people here have driven devs away would be too incorrect. Just check Jesse Houston's profile.

[Mister Mida]

Phaedon wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I know Patrick Weekes reads the threads but doesn't like to post when people are being mean about his colleagues. That's about every thread about the Mass Effect storyline.

How do you "know" that, may I ask?

I wouldn't say that claiming that people here have driven devs away would be too incorrect. Just check Jesse Houston's profile.

That would be kinda hard to do since it's private.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Phaedon wrote...

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I wouldn't say that claiming that people here have driven devs away would be too incorrect. Just check Jesse Houston's profile.

I realize that; I just don't know if Weekes actually does visit here and read our comments. Would be awesome if true.

Also, Jesse's profile is set to private, or is that what you meant?

[Phaedon]

Eh, I could post a screenshot, but that could be off-limits? Anyway, he kinda have had enough with the PS3 whining. He didn't post a rant or anything he just said something like 'Sorry folks, but I won't be visiting BSN anymore'.



Before everyone starts posting 'Deal w/ it' learn that non-constructive criticism on a work of art on which you spend a lot of time and love on hurts.

[FeelTheMighty]

Phaedon wrote...

Eh, I could post a screenshot, but that could be off-limits? Anyway, he kinda have had enough with the PS3 whining. He didn't post a rant or anything he just said something like 'Sorry folks, but I won't be visiting BSN anymore'.

Before everyone starts posting 'Deal w/ it' learn that non-constructive criticism on a work of art on which you spend a lot of time and love on hurts.

That's true. A lot of the criticism I read on these boards is pretty vague stuff.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's not good :'(

[Phaedon]

scyphozoa wrote...

Oh Mass Effect team, how you abandoned us when ME2 launched. Its hard to blame them because of how much **** they were getting at ME2 launch, but when I see the DA team so active on DA forums it really makes the ME forums look abandoned.

anyway, people are quick to assume the worst for no reason other than they want to marinate in their own worrisome stew and invite as many people as possible to join them in worrying. its all very hyperbolic and meaningless.

I don't know, you are working on a project, you are practically obsessed with it, and you don't check your forums now and then? Out of curiosity? I don't think that that's how it works. They just don't post here, I think, they get a lot of **** when they do. Not even Chris Priestly posts here that often.

[Phaedon]

I wonder if they'll return right before ME3 is out.

AwesomeName wrote...

I know this sounds bizarre, but when a game is REALLY good, it's almost impossible not to criticize it. I'm not sure if that makes a whole lot a sense, but I hope the devs see that? Although I agree, there are some criticisms that don't  have a reason to them - I hope I'm not one of them..

I am pretty sure that most of the vocal people that criticize ME2 on these boards really hated it.

Modifié par Phaedon, 19 janvier 2011 - 07:05 .

[Moiaussi]

Machines Are Us wrote...

It's like Lord of the Rings really; the whole story arc of Saruman and the Uruk-Hai (which takes up 90% of the book/film) has very little relevance in the long run to what happens in the final chapter. Most of the characters end up fighting this new army and at the end they defeat them. The only real part that moves the plot forward are Frodo and Sam getting closer to Mordor.
It's the same thing here really. They have fought and defeated the Reapers slaves and are now slightly close to their goal of defeating them.

My only criticism of Mass Effect 2 if I look back on it is how most of it is based upon recruitment and loyalty missions time-wise when it's possible for them to all die.

That is still tied to the main plot though in that Saruman wanted the ring for himself, and was corrupted/duped by Sauron via the palantir. The ME equivalent would have been if ME2 was about defeating TIM, who wants the power of the Reapers (or at least reaper tech) to further his personal goals of dominance. Instead, we effectively ally with SaruTIM to fight Uruk-collectors, which were not a threat in the first 'book', suddenly appear as one out of nowhere in ME2, and are (appearantly) completely eliminated as a threat in ME3. Saruman imprisoned Gandalf in Fellowship, trying to coerce the location of the ring from him.

The very title of the 2nd book, 'The Two Towers' ties him into the plot as a second rival for the ring and a second major threat.

Saruman also returns at the end of Return of the King, having attempted revenge by taking over the shire, still corrupted despite the ring's destruction. He is thus tied into the plot better than you remember.

The other characters' side adventures (Merry in Rohan and Pippin in Gondor) give us insight into how other nations are handling war related events and do so simultaneously with providing said character growth for both of them, in marked contrast to ME2's ignoring the main plot on loyalty missions.

In this case ME2 gives us the equivalent of Merry and Pippin whining to Frodo or Gandalf that they miss the Shire, and being inexplicably taken back there to make them happy rather than continuing the actual plot.

This leads to my only two concerns for Mass Effect 3:

Will our decisions actually be relevant?
Will the team-mates (beyond Liara) have any serious role to play as they can pretty much all die?

Definately also a concern

[Xeranx]

Phaedon wrote...

Eh, I could post a screenshot, but that could be off-limits? Anyway, he kinda have had enough with the PS3 whining. He didn't post a rant or anything he just said something like 'Sorry folks, but I won't be visiting BSN anymore'.

Before everyone starts posting 'Deal w/ it' learn that non-constructive criticism on a work of art on which you spend a lot of time and love on hurts.

Then what of the constructive criticism that exists?  

Many have made constructive posts regarding what they felt lacking in ME2 and they've had to deal with those, hellbent against the idea that anything is wrong with ME2, who try so very hard to derail threads with comments that look to incite anger rather than deal with the issues.  In the first disappointment thread Iakus and Ill Divo took charge with driving the discussion and keeping it more or less on topic.  This is not to take away from others who contributed to the thread positively regardless of what side they were on, but from what I saw Iakus and Ill Divo had the least amount of detractors whose sole missions were to bring them down to their base level.  Any more angst in that thread could have been dealt with had Hudson, Walters, Weekes, or even Woo joined the discussion and kept it on track.  That never happened.  Instead, and I thank you for letting us know about this because this is what I was talking about when I said I've seen this behavior before, Jesse Houston washes his hands of these boards as told to us by you (with proof apparently).  Should I be wrong to assume that others on the ME team have as well?

I don't begrudge any individual wanting to avoid the hornet's nest of angry, burn-you-at-the-stake, mobs.  However, if you shy away from constructive criticism or wash your hands of a place you (collectively) set up to receive said criticism then I can't help but say: "Deal with it."  When you put something out for public consumption you have to be willing to bear the cheers as well as the jeers of the public.  Fact.

Modifié par Xeranx, 19 janvier 2011 - 07:14 .

[Phaedon]

Xeranx wrote...
Then what of the constructive criticism that exists?  

Many have made constructive posts regarding what they felt lacking in ME2 and they've had to deal with those, hellbent against the idea that anything is wrong with ME2, who try so very hard to derail threads with comments that look to incite anger rather than deal with the issues.  In the first disappointment thread Iakus and Ill Divo took charge with driving the discussion and keeping it more or less on topic.  This is not to take away from others who contributed to the thread positively regardless of what side they were on, but from what I saw Iakus and Ill Divo had the least amount of detractors whose sole missions were to bring them down to their base level.  Any more angst in that thread could have been dealt with had Hudson, Walters, Weekes, or even Woo joined the discussion and kept it on track.  That never happened.  Instead, and I thank you for letting us know about this because this is what I was talking about when I said I've seen this behavior before, Jesse Houston washes his hands of these boards as told to us by you (with proof apparently).

I don't begrudge any individual wanting to avoid the hornet's nest of angry, burn-you-at-the-stake, mobs.  However, if you shy away from constructive criticism or wash your hands of a place you (collectively) set up to receive said criticism then I can't help but say: "Deal with it."  When you put something out for public consumption you have to be willing to bear the cheers as well as the jeers of the public.  Fact.

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said that there was no constructive criticism, but the amount of non-constructive criticism overwhelmed them. Oh and yeah, since apparently Woo and co. have an "obligation" to keep a disappointment thread in line, why woud they? There are a lot more constructive threads than it and there are actually people that...

Jesse Houston washes his hands of these boards as told to us by you (with proof apparently).

...okay, I guess that there aren't.


Dev staff have NO obligation to waste their free time on whining (what kind of constructive criticism was there on the PS3 threads? I have been following them since their start, do enlighten me). I find your attitude to be insulting to this man's effort, to say the least.