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[JKA_Nozyspy]

Winterfly wrote...I would love a Elcor Reaper "Distasteful regards...your doom is coming your way...."

Haha, brilliant, i lol'd. XD

[Gladegunner]

Very interesting and suprisingly cohesive theory, so cohesive that I would be tempted to say your a rogue Bioware designer, or have been listening to the vibrations on their windows.



What I think is that the Prothean chambers will have their technology and intelligence, similar to Vigil (a second Vigil would be awesome). I also hope that they also have adapted Reaper technology, similar to the Thanix Cannons. It would be interesting to see Alliance cruisers using several thanix cannons - hell..the normandy, a large frigate/interceptor has 2.



I also think a virus is too cliche. Sort of like Independance day. I hope there will be a countermeasure to indoctrination, like a counter freequency. That would be thoughtful.

[Drowsy0106]

Great read! Thanks for sharing enjoyed it a lot.

[JKA_Nozyspy]

Gladegunner wrote...

Very interesting and suprisingly cohesive theory, so cohesive that I would be tempted to say your a rogue Bioware designer, or have been listening to the vibrations on their windows.

Hehe i wish!

Gladegunner wrote...
What I think is that the Prothean chambers will have their technology and intelligence, similar to Vigil (a second Vigil would be awesome). I also hope that they also have adapted Reaper technology, similar to the Thanix Cannons. It would be interesting to see Alliance cruisers using several thanix cannons - hell..the normandy, a large frigate/interceptor has 2.

I also think a virus is too cliche. Sort of like Independance day. I hope there will be a countermeasure to indoctrination, like a counter freequency. That would be thoughtful.

I like the countermeasure idea, very clever. Im afraid the idea of a virus is generally the most practical and believable plot device to use when your talking about the technologically inferior humans fighting against technologically superior aliens, it levels the playing field usually by taking down things like shields or defenses, thus allowing human weapons to have an effect on the previously invincible alien ships.

Like i said though, i think this could work in ME3, due to the fact that a Reaper is a tough target even with no shields, and with the majority of its concentration elsewhere, as was shown with Sovereign at the end of ME1. Therefore it would still require a huge galactic fleet sustaining heavy losses in order to take down the Reaper fleet, which again adds to the believability by still being a difficult task. Too often in sci fi, once the alien ships shields are down, they are easy pickings for the technlogically inferior humans. At least with the Reapers it would still be a tough fight!

[Shadowrun1177]

Some interesting theories, though I always thought the Grey Box Reaper was Sovereign and that's why it could implicate the Alliance. If I'm remembering correctly human's are the ones who originally found Sovereign in Revelation and Saren learned this info during the novel which leads to Mass Effect 1.

[Bogsnot1]

What I don't get, is why people assume there was no Prothean Reaper. EDI merely speculates as to them possibly trying, and possibly failing. Thats a few "ifs" right there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't recall anything in game as being solid evidence against its existance.

[Winterfly]

JKA_Nozyspy wrote...

Winterfly wrote...I would love a Elcor Reaper "Distasteful regards...your doom is coming your way...."

Haha, brilliant, i lol'd. XD

Would be interesting! xD

Lightly angered interest....Human...you never learn, why not...

And yes, your theory is indeed interesting! 

[JKA_Nozyspy]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Some interesting theories, though I always thought the Grey Box Reaper was Sovereign and that's why it could implicate the Alliance. If I'm remembering correctly human's are the ones who originally found Sovereign in Revelation and Saren learned this info during the novel which leads to Mass Effect 1.

Ahhh good point, that certainly makes sense. Ive not yet read the Mass Effect novels, but i would like to once ive finished reading the other books im into at the moment.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

What I don't get, is why people assume there was no Prothean Reaper. EDI merely speculates as to them possibly trying, and possibly failing. Thats a few "ifs" right there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't recall anything in game as being solid evidence against its existance.

That is correct from what i am aware, though it does make some sense that failing to make a Prothean Reaper for whatever reason would lead the Reapers to look for alternative ways to use the Protheans for their means, we only have speculation on EDI's part and no concrete evidence has been given in the series so far for those suppositions. Hopefully the Protheans fate will be revealed in some more detail in ME3, though i would have hoped that with the revelation that the Collectors are repurposed Protheans, ME2 would have gone a little more in depth with explaining the whole thing, but alas not.

Modifié par JKA_Nozyspy, 19 janvier 2011 - 01:33 .

[Turin231]

Good thinking...The Vostok theory is so interesting I might even be disappointed if it is not in the ME3 in the end.



About the prothean reaper though i would doubt that it failed because of the prothean consciousness resisting the Reaper nature.It is said in ME2 that they just break down humans into basic genetic materials so the fact that the reaper can inherit any kind of consciousness from the species that is was created is to far fetched for me to make a good explanation.

[Winterfly]

If it is somehow built upon a creatures "build stones" then I am sure it could get its DNA or similar. I presume our instincts is coded in such things. There for the human thing would get some human traits, which often isn't a good thing at all to have. Humans love war, love to disgrace and kill each others and get wealthy. Or something like that!

[Bogsnot1]

I do think it would make some sense for Harbinger to be the Prothean Reaper, just based on his ability to "assume direct control" from out in dark space. If there was no "racial link" required, that doesnt explain why Sovereign didnt try the same trick with Saren, or any of the husks, more frequently. He only did it with Saren after he copped a load of bullets in the head.

[JKA_Nozyspy]

Turin231 wrote...

Good thinking...The Vostok theory is so interesting I might even be disappointed if it is not in the ME3 in the end.

About the prothean reaper though i would doubt that it failed because of the prothean consciousness resisting the Reaper nature.It is said in ME2 that they just break down humans into basic genetic materials so the fact that the reaper can inherit any kind of consciousness from the species that is was created is to far fetched for me to make a good explanation.

Im flattered, i didnt think my theory would be this popular! ^^

About the Reaper conciousness though, didnt Legion say something along the lines of Nazara, AKA Sovreign having many 'processes' working in it, like the Geth? This seems to me like the Reaper conciousness is made up of the disembodied minds and cultural knowledge of the species used to create it. Or maybe even something along the lines of a 'genetic memory'.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I do think it would make some sense for Harbinger to be the Prothean Reaper, just based on his ability to "assume direct control" from out in dark space. If there was no "racial link" required, that doesnt explain why Sovereign didnt try the same trick with Saren, or any of the husks, more frequently. He only did it with Saren after he copped a load of bullets in the head.

Harbinger, a Prothean Reaper? Thats a very interesting thought, something i had never considered before. I had just presumed that Harbinger had perhaps led the genetic alterations of the captured Protheans and modelled them after itself. That said, Harbinger being the Prothean Reaper doesnt seem to fit with the appearence of the apparent prothean statues on Ilos or EDI's findings that the Prothean DNA had been drastically altered to make the Collectors.. :S

Modifié par JKA_Nozyspy, 19 janvier 2011 - 02:10 .

[Vaenier]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

You forget, the reapers tried making a reaper out of protheans. It didn't work. That is why they turned the, into the collectors.

Pure speculation why the Protheans were turned into collectors instead of into a Reaper. It could be there simply werent enough left so the remaining guys were just modified instead.

[TuringPoint]

 Awesome idea.  Love it.

[In Exile]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I do think it would make some sense for Harbinger to be the Prothean Reaper, just based on his ability to "assume direct control" from out in dark space. If there was no "racial link" required, that doesnt explain why Sovereign didnt try the same trick with Saren, or any of the husks, more frequently. He only did it with Saren after he copped a load of bullets in the head.

My theory is that it makes a reaper vulnerable for the period before assuming direct control. Also, it seems that (with what we saw from Saren) the reaper needs certain implats to make the process work.

So basically, Harbinger is safe across in darkspace so it can shut down from moment to moment to ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL whereas Sovereign couldn't afford too, plus Sovereign did not have the peons designed for this.

[JKA_Nozyspy]

In Exile wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I do think it would make some sense for Harbinger to be the Prothean Reaper, just based on his ability to "assume direct control" from out in dark space. If there was no "racial link" required, that doesnt explain why Sovereign didnt try the same trick with Saren, or any of the husks, more frequently. He only did it with Saren after he copped a load of bullets in the head.

My theory is that it makes a reaper vulnerable for the period before assuming direct control. Also, it seems that (with what we saw from Saren) the reaper needs certain implats to make the process work.

So basically, Harbinger is safe across in darkspace so it can shut down from moment to moment to ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL whereas Sovereign couldn't afford too, plus Sovereign did not have the peons designed for this.

Thats an excellent point, it would be interesting to see each Reaper having its own unique, minions to fight. Though it would be difficult to work it in as a plot decive in ME3 i think.

[Freakaz0idx]

JKA_Nozyspy wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

so which galactic race are we familiar with that has a tentacled appearance?

The Hanar.

The Protheans.

Wait what?

The Protheans have tentacled faces, and tentacle like fingers, If we take the statues on Ilos to be accurate representations of Protheans that is.



In fact, they remind me a lot of the Ood from Dr Who!

just something I'd like to share.

Most people say that those are tentacles on the Protheans faces. Am I the only one that notices that those statues actually very closely resemble humans with robotic tubes going 'into' their faces?

Modifié par Freakaz0idx, 20 janvier 2011 - 06:51 .

[JKA_Nozyspy]

Freakaz0idx wrote...

Most people say that those are tentacles on the Protheans faces. Am I the only one that notices that those statues actually very closely resemble humans with robotic tubes going 'into' their faces?

I see what you mean, though the ME2 codex entry picture for the Protheans seems to suggest these are either part of the Protheans body or something to do with Prothean Husks. I dont think they could actually be humans though.

Modifié par JKA_Nozyspy, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .

[Snpr247]

Iron is also a very important element in reference to stars. Once the fusion reaction at the core of a star begins to produce iron it is game over for the star, death by supernova within milliseconds. So, if we are theorizing the farfetched,  this could have something to do with the whole haelstrom phenomenon

[JKA_Nozyspy]

Snpr247 wrote...

Iron is also a very important element in reference to stars. Once the fusion reaction at the core of a star begins to produce iron it is game over for the star, death by supernova within milliseconds. So, if we are theorizing the farfetched,  this could have something to do with the whole haelstrom phenomenon

I didnt know that, most interesting... But how could that be worked into ME3? I never really got the whole Haestrom thing in ME2, there werent any real clues as to what it was all about, perhaps we have to lure the Reaper fleet to a star system and make the sun go supernova using a Prothean superweapon? Maybe the various stars ageing prematurely is part of some Prothean experiment? But then that doesnt really seem like something the Protheans would do, unless they themselves were somehow planning to lure the Reaper fleet into a trap and destroy them by causing the sun in the system they are in to go supernova...

Ok, how about this, after fighting your way back to earth, you activate a secret Prothean base under the ice at Lake Vostok, but you discover it is in fact the detonator for a Prothean super weapon - a dark energy weapon implanted in our Sun. The only way to destroy the Reaper fleet and save the galaxy is to sacrifice the Earth by ordering the galactic fleets and as many humans as possible to retreat out of the Sol system before detonating the dark energy weapon and causing Sol to go supernova, thus destroying the Earth (and maybe sacrificing yourself too) and the entire Reaper fleet in the biggest explosion ever. That would make for a heart breaking finale, though i personally hope they dont destroy the Earth in ME3, as i would prefer a happy ending!

[TheJiveDJ]

To me those statues seem like petrified remains of a Prothean being turned into a husk. I seriously doubt those tentacles were a part of their anatomy. I mean, look at the husks for God's sake. Identicle. They are tubes, not tentacles.

[CanadAvenger]

JKA_Nozyspy wrote...

Freakaz0idx wrote...

Most people say that those are tentacles on the Protheans faces. Am I the only one that notices that those statues actually very closely resemble humans with robotic tubes going 'into' their faces?

I see what you mean, though the ME2 codex entry picture for the Protheans seems to suggest these are either part of the Protheans body or something to do with Prothean Husks. I dont think they could actually be humans though.

When I saw this picture on the Codex, I immediately thought of a form of Husk. Either that or this is a stage of the transformation from Prothean > Husk > (possibly) Collector.
I have no idea, I'm only speculating. Why are these people cybernetic? I doubt that the Protheans did that to themselves.
But then where did the statues come from?

GAH! QUESTIONS!

[JKA_Nozyspy]

TheJiveDJ wrote...

To me those statues seem like petrified remains of a Prothean being turned into a husk.

Thats exactly what i thought when i first saw that pic in the ME2 codex. Like the seats the statues were on were a different version of dragons teeth? That said the tentacles would fit in with the Lovcraftian theme that Bioware seems to be fond of as previously said.

Modifié par JKA_Nozyspy, 20 janvier 2011 - 09:02 .

[TheLeetSkweet]

http://www.google.co...=1t:429,r:5,s:0

OMG Davy Jones is a Prothean!

[Commander_Adept]

I've said this before a couple months ago...

But look:



The head is very similar to how the Reaper looks. Who knows if perhaps the Turians are descended and evolved from the Prothean scientists that went to the Citadel?

Hell, Anderson even alludes to it in Revelation by saying that the Turians are like an evolutionary mix between birds and dinosaurs. What are Reapers? Flying, terrifying giant death bringers.