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[atheelogos]

Hey guys I sent this text to David to see if he or the other writers
ever considered this outcome, but I also want to know what my fellow
fans think of it. Here the text I sent him.

Hey David did you or any of the other writers every consider this outcome for the landsmeet and epilogue?

Alistair
doesn't want the throne, but Anora does. The Grey Warden of noble birth
offers a political marriage between Anora and himself, but its not
enough because they all know the people, Eamon, and the rest of the
nobility want someone of Theirin blood on the throne.

So the
Warden asks Alistair to conceive a child with a noble woman of his
choosing and the Warden does the same with Anora. Then all parties agree
to another political marriage where Alistair's first male child would
marry the Warden's and Anora's first daughter.

With that line of reasoning this follows
-The the unhardened Alistair doesn't have to wear the crown he never wanted
-Eamon, the common folk, and the other Nobility still get a future king that has Theirin blood and also bears the last name.
-Anora stays queen which is what she wanted
-Loghain's
family line continues on and will eventually be combined with Cousland,
and Theirin  blood which puts a stronger argument before the landsmeet
-And the Warden continues to serve Fereldan
Everybody would win

And of course this is all assuming Anora is not sterile.

[atheelogos]

Another things I would like to note. Maybe Anora isn't the one who is sterile. Maybe it was Cailan all along.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Sterile or not, Grey Wardens have a low fertility rate. Both Alistair and the PC Warden would likely have trouble getting a child of their own.



You're also betting on unhardened Alistair being willing to sire a child on any woman he doesn't love. It'd probably take him a long time to decide on a noble of his choice (and what if he falls in love with someone who isn't a noble?)



I'm largely betting that the Anora-never-marries or Anora-marries-GreyWarden endings are going to resolve in no heir to Ferelden's throne. Makes it clean for any sequels.

[Dark Specie]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
I'm largely betting that the Anora-never-marries or Anora-marries-GreyWarden endings are going to resolve in no heir to Ferelden's throne. Makes it clean for any sequels.

That's probably unfortunately true

The only children we can sire are the ogc, plus the one in the male dwarf noble origin...

So I doubt we'll hear that the male human noble or Alistair has knocked up Anora or Alistair  the female PC Warden...

[OBakaSama]

While the idea is intriguing in its own right it would seem unlikely to occur.



If the need of Theirin blood is so essential to the throne of Ferelden then the first part of the proposal fails, because there isn't a Theirin on the throne. They don't necessarily want a Theirin heir in the future, they want them now.



Coupled with the need of immediate stability to face the Blight which the above may not give, then the proposal is probably unlikely to occur.



As for Grey Wardens having children...it is possible. Check 'The Calling' for that piece of info.

[Sarah1281]

This is assuming that the children could be born within a few years of each other and are the appropriate genders. Just how many children do you expect Alistair's going to get to having nothing to do with do you expect him to sire? And he'd need to be married to this noblewoman as well or why both making her noble since the kid would just be a bastard.



I see no reason why it would ever come to this. If there is only one Theirin and that is Alistair who refuses the throne, what are even the strongest supporters of a Theirin on the throne really going to do? Refuse to accept any monarch at all because they aren't getting their way?

[CalJones]

The way the game's set up, the Theirin bloodline is pretty much doomed anyway (Anora looks unlikely to breed, whether due to infertility or choice, it's uncertain, and- a female HN will not be able to produce with Alistair as they are both wardens). As someone pointed out elsewhere, the three main families which drove out the Orlesians (Theirin, Mac Tir and Guerrin) are unlikely to survive more than a generation more, which paves the way for big changes in a future sequel. I don't think that's an accident. It's rather like Cyrodil after Elder Scrolls Oblivion - the royal family is wiped out save for one bastard son who looks set to save the day until...oops! That's the end of that bloodline.

[nubbers666]

nope in awaking with logain alive he comes to you in the castle and tells you some funny stuff and gives a nice 2hand ax lol

[errant_knight]

We can't really know what's going to happen. It's definitely going to play a part in a future plot, but what that plot might be is hard to say. It could be making your hero PC ruler and, oh Lord, I don't want it to be that. Way too obvious. Which makes me think that won't be it. It could be finding a way to create an heir by unnatural means--ie finding Morrigan. Heck, it could even be that Maric is still alive. All we can really assume is that the apparent lack of fertility is no accident.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

errant_knight wrote...
 All we can really assume is that the apparent lack of fertility is no accident.

Exactly. I could see an heir being naturally *possible* with a male HN+Anora or Alistair+non-Warden female (not to mention a bastard prince by Morrigan), but with endings like 'Anora never marries' and 'Alistair weds fem!PC' (when Grey Wardens supposedly can't have children with each other), the game has been set up so that every possible outcome can easily justify a childless monarchy.

[Shadowrun1177]

I don't remember the game ever specifically saying that it was impossible for 2 wardens to have children together, only that it hadn't been heard of yet. For all we know it could be possible for Alistair and HN female PC to have a child even the epilogue's seem to skip year's and events that could of happened.

[Ahriman Dragonhand]

It's an interesting idea, but the first step of it requires no Theirin in the throne. So, say, if Anora and the Warden are good rulers maybe people will not care if their son/daughter marries a Theirin once they die.



Anyway, with Anora suspect of infertility and Wardens parents already having a low birth rate it is a goal that could be hard to achieve.



Hehe, I imagine the warden king would have to delegate a lot of responsabilities, unable to attend due to being... busy with Anora longer than expected.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Impossible for a natural conception, perhaps. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that two Wardens could produce a child with outside assistance (magical or otherwise), as errant_knight suggests.

[shatteredstar56]

Mezzil wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

I don't remember the game ever specifically saying that it was impossible for 2 wardens to have children together, only that it hadn't been heard of yet. For all we know it could be possible for Alistair and HN female PC to have a child even the epilogue's seem to skip year's and events that could of happened.

You are told in game it's "next to impossible" for two Wardens to have a child together by Alistair. Mr. Gaider repeats that here.

Later Gaider decides here that it is now impossible.

I don't understand the point of that change. "Almost impossible" is close enough to "impossible".

Alister mentions that when he asks if you're sure you want to marry him and be queen (as a HN female.)
It's quite possible for Grey Wardens to have children after, the chances just go drastically down.
Alister and Morrigan's conception is proof of that, though Morrigan did have magic on her side.

[errant_knight]

Morrigan isn't a gray warden, and it's explicitly stated that the ritual is only reliable because Alistair hasn't been a warden for very long. If even ancient blood magic can't make a warden fertile after a few years, then 'quite possible' would seem to be overstating the case. And with two wardens, we're told that it's impossible by natural means--which is the same as almost impossible, so I don't see a conflict there. It is only possible under extraordinary circumstances that are unknown.

All this means is that to have an heir, the plot would have to relate to the circumstances that would make it possible. Trying really hard isn't going to cut it.  No pun intended.

Modifié par errant_knight, 02 février 2011 - 08:44 .

[atheelogos]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
 All we can really assume is that the apparent lack of fertility is no accident.

Exactly. I could see an heir being naturally *possible* with a male HN+Anora or Alistair+non-Warden female (not to mention a bastard prince by Morrigan), but with endings like 'Anora never marries' and 'Alistair weds fem!PC' (when Grey Wardens supposedly can't have children with each other), the game has been set up so that every possible outcome can easily justify a childless monarchy.

We shouldn't be so quick to assume Anora is the one with fertility problems. It could have been Cailan who was shooting blanks.

[Sarah1281]

Anora doesn't have to have had fertility problems. She either never marries or marries a GW with fertility problems.

[Verly]

Mr. Gaider says this in that same thread linked to above
Demeira wrote...
Well, there goes my fairy tale! I was hoping for a loophole somewhere that would make my fanfiction plausible. I had this all planned out that Alistair and Orlaine (my PC) would have twins because of some ancient Tevinter fertility charms given to them by some sorceress out of Orlais and somehow the act of having these children born of two Wardens would somehow give Alistair and Orlaine an additional 20 years and would somehow dilute the taint. And these twins would start bloodlines that would play into the next two Blights. Looks like that idea is scrapped...


Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story.
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but i hardly ever play a Cousland that marries Alistair, so I don't really have a reason to worry about this...he also said that for people to take what is spoken of outside of the game they are playing is realy silly.  and fanfics are suposed to be for fun and that the many players that don't use the boards would never know this and their gameplay has not been effected. lol

Modifié par Verly, 03 février 2011 - 04:44 .

[BroBear Berbil]

I guess it's just easier for the noble houses to die out so there's some kind of canon no matter what you decided at the Landsmeet. My female noble won't be making an heir and I doubt Alistair even could (with an untainted woman) by the time Awakening has happened. Best I could hope for in that scenario would be that Fergus remarries and the succession falls to some nephew, but even that seems unlikely.

Modifié par OnionXI, 03 février 2011 - 04:54 .