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[Maria Caliban]

Lilacs wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lilacs wrote...

4. Our character does age !

I don't believe so.

DG: How do you address age, then? Characters getting older, etc.

ML: You set a character the right age so that our players don’t have to end up all wrinkly.

Right. They pick an age where you can go ten years without having any noticeable amount of aging.

[Blastback]

Brockololly wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...
Band of Brothers in DA setting? Man, I so wanted to write that.

That sounds like about a dozen different kinds of awesome:O

Don't see any reason that you can't use that concept in future works.  And I would totally buy it.

[AlexXIV]

Maybe it is just me but wouldn't more people be disturbed by characters aging than not aging?

[FieryDove]

Devotedgmr17 wrote...

Here is the full interview
pc.gamezone.com/editorials/item/dragon_age_iis_mike_laidlaw_discusses_downloadable_content/

I prefer dlc that adds to the main game. I do not like seperate mini-adventures.
Or better yet...expansions.

Thanks for the linky.

[Addai]

Ninotchka wrote...

Maria13 wrote...
But if you only service the guys (and some of the female gamers) then it's only the guys that will ever get serviced... It's self-perpetuating and it's bad marketing because they're not up to the challenge of building new markets.  Bioware have done a lot but I find this chauvenism and the deprecatory attitude towards female gamers ('No squeeing please' as if guys didn't squee in a manly way) kind of disappointing.

OMG, Maria13, you hit the nail on the head!

Perhaps you should start a new thread devoted to this topic, but I have noticed the noticeable inbalance between DA2 marketing promo info as well. I don't care for male Hawke because I don't play male characters so why the longest wait for more decent info about female Hawke (her voice, her potential LIs etc). It's pissy having to wait this long now.

Perhaps the game dollar$ come in through people who mainly play male characters (I guess this data is collected via that data sending option in the game options), but still, it sucks having to wait Bioware.....

Back to the topic though, I haven't bought any DLC for Origins yet, but was just about to purchase the Ultimate edition to see what it's all about, but meh, all these harsh reviews are truly off-putting.

Not to pile on or divert the topic, but I was still indecisive about DA2 up until seeing shots of Mage Marian who looked great and wasn't wearing sl*t attire, and some of the other info coming out in the latest dev diary.  By that time it was too late to get the SE.  If I had seen more of Marian early, I wouldn't have hesitated and would probably have ponied up for the PC price increase, too.  It's a disservice to hide the female PC.

And yeah, I did notice that only the female LIs were featured in DLC.  Alistair's Awakening cameo was nice, but not quite the same.

[Danjaru]

Well, it's been mentioned before in this topic, but Leliana's song was not the weakest DLC. The weakest DLC that almost ruined DA for me was Witch Hunt, incredibly poor DLC, and second weakest was probably Darkspawn chronicles.

[SirGladiator]

I think its safe to say that darkspawn chronicles was the weakest of them all. For me Leliana's Song was the most fun of all of them. I think most of them were at least pretty good, but I agree with keeping the team together for the DLC, as theres definitely room for improvement (particularly in regard to the Expansion, which again was OK and all, I especially loved the part where you got to rule over the castle and make important decisions, but clearly overall there was a lot of room for improvement). So I'd say its very good news that they seem to be learning from their mistakes, and moving in the right direction. Keep up the great work!

[Maria Caliban]

Lilacs wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lilacs wrote...

4. Our character does age !

I don't believe so.

DG: How do you address age, then? Characters getting older, etc.

ML: You set a character the right age so that our players don’t have to end up all wrinkly.

*ML: ... The goal was kind of in the middle to late 20s and then there’s a period where you haven’t gone grey yet.

Edit:*

Okay... you just reposted a quote I already responded to.

Yes, they have you start in your middle 20s. That way there's no need for a visual change as you get old.

You don't go gray. You don't get wrinkles. You don't age.

[FieryDove]

Addai67 wrote...

  Alistair's Awakening cameo was nice, but not quite the same.

I didn't get a cameo.

He and Zev(best buddy) was supposed to go help me rebuild the wardens. They both...took the wrong road I guess. No one mentioned them.

Modifié par FieryDove, 19 janvier 2011 - 10:53 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Ninotchka wrote...

Maria13 wrote...
But if you only service the guys (and some of the female gamers) then it's only the guys that will ever get serviced... It's self-perpetuating and it's bad marketing because they're not up to the challenge of building new markets.  Bioware have done a lot but I find this chauvenism and the deprecatory attitude towards female gamers ('No squeeing please' as if guys didn't squee in a manly way) kind of disappointing.

OMG, Maria13, you hit the nail on the head!

Perhaps you should start a new thread devoted to this topic, but I have noticed the noticeable inbalance between DA2 marketing promo info as well. I don't care for male Hawke because I don't play male characters so why the longest wait for more decent info about female Hawke (her voice, her potential LIs etc). It's pissy having to wait this long now.

Perhaps the game dollar$ come in through people who mainly play male characters (I guess this data is collected via that data sending option in the game options), but still, it sucks having to wait Bioware.....

Back to the topic though, I haven't bought any DLC for Origins yet, but was just about to purchase the Ultimate edition to see what it's all about, but meh, all these harsh reviews are truly off-putting.

I would still buy it (I did...), because its a lot of content (not everything matching the Orignis quality, but still) at a very lower price...


Regarding  the marketing strategies, it has been discussed in this forum before, many times, the last I remember when DA2 was announced. It boils down to demographics... Female players have a great voice here in the forums, but dont count much in the overall sales... Its the same reason they are marketing DA2 mainly as a "sexier, bloodier, grittier" game, all directed to young console players...  Such are at this moment the facts of life. Until female players turn to represent a "bigger slize" of the "cake", they wont be acnoknowledged in the marketing campaigns in that level of detail. 

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 19 janvier 2011 - 10:55 .

[AlexXIV]

FieryDove wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

  Alistair's Awakening cameo was nice, but not quite the same.

I didn't get a cameo.

He and Zev(best buddy) was supposed to go help me rebuild the wardens. They both...took the wrong road I guess. No one mentioned them.

I think his cameo is only as king, otherwise you get Anora.

[FieryDove]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

 Until female players turn to represent a "bigger slize" of the "cake", they wont be acnoknowledged in the marketing campaigns in that level of detail. 

In 2010 female gamers were 40% of the pie, and 46% of the household game purchasers. That's close enough for something...anything? Maybe yes?

[sevalaricgirl]

Regarding  the marketing strategies, it has been discussed in this forum before, many times, the last I remember when DA2 was announced. It boils down to demographics... Female players have a great voice here in the forums, but dont count much in the overall sales... Its the same reason they are marketing DA2 mainly as a "sexier, bloodier, grittier" game, all directed to young console players...  Such are at this moment the facts of life. Until female players turn to represent a "bigger slize" of the "cake", they wont be acnoknowledged in the marketing campaigns in that level of detail. 

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Well those young console players are getting the money somewhere.  I pre-ordered 2 copies of the game.  One for me and one for my 15 yr old son.  I think Bioware needs to do another census on who's playing their games.  I don't remember stating that I'm a female when I registered my Bioware games so where are they getting the information?

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 19 janvier 2011 - 11:03 .

[Maria13]

Nah, Fiery, if we want anything we have to start throwing ourselves under racehorses or burning postboxes because otherwise it's always "men are most of the demographic..."

[sevalaricgirl]

AlexXIV wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

  Alistair's Awakening cameo was nice, but not quite the same.

I didn't get a cameo.

He and Zev(best buddy) was supposed to go help me rebuild the wardens. They both...took the wrong road I guess. No one mentioned them.

I think his cameo is only as king, otherwise you get Anora.

Which is what I find displeasing about DAA.  The expansion is good, not great, but good, but having no mention of Alistair who stayed with the GWs is just bad writing.

[Addai]

@Ninotchka, I meant to say, don't be too discouraged by the reviews. If a DLC looks intriguing to you, buy it and you'll probably enjoy it just by virtue of it being DA. But I don't consider any of them a must-have, either.

[Drizzt ORierdan]

FieryDove wrote...

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

 Until female players turn to represent a "bigger slize" of the "cake", they wont be acnoknowledged in the marketing campaigns in that level of detail. 

In 2010 female gamers were 40% of the pie, and 46% of the household game purchasers. That's close enough for something...anything? Maybe yes?

Perhaps you are forgetting that the vast majority of that 40 % play casual games like tetris or some "family friendly" game, not RPGs or any type of story-driven game... Those are the facts.

You dont need to argue with me,  I'm totally on your side, Id love to see a Bioware campaign addressing women. But Im not the one calling the shots...

[FieryDove]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...


Perhaps you are forgetting that the vast majority of that 40 % play casual games like tetris or some "family friendly" game, not RPGs or any type of story-driven game... Those are the facts.

You dont need to argue with me,  I'm totally on your side, Id love to see a Bioware campaign addressing women. But Im not the one calling the shots...

And?

I started my Mom on playing TSN. Mostly card/board games with some other arcade and rpg-lite titles. She turned into a MMO fanantic and could trounce any AC player. People can surprise you.

Not to derail the topic too badly...ahem

I Loved Shale, and enjoyed Rto and WK mainly I think because they were great-good and in the main game as an addition.

[The Gentle Ben]

Lilacs wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lilacs wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lilacs wrote...
4. Our character does age !

I don't believe so.

DG: How do you address age, then? Characters getting older, etc.
ML: You set a character the right age so that our players don’t have to end up all wrinkly.
ML: ... The goal was kind of in the middle to late 20s and then there’s a period where you haven’t gone grey yet.

Okay... you just reposted a quote I already responded to.
Yes, they have you start in your middle 20s. That way there's no need for a visual change as you get old.
You don't go gray. You don't get wrinkles. You don't age.

Haha, it is fixed now Maria.  Yeah, I know you agreed with me.  I wanted to respond to  "The Gentle Ben".

What is going on? Complete communication breakdown. I said the exact same thing as Maria albeit in different words.

The Gentle Ben wrote...
I agree with Maria. I could be wrong (shocking!), but my interpretation of the quote was that an age range was selected for the characters where the need to implement aging was unnecessary (or at least avoidable).

To be clear: Neither Maria nor I believe that our characters will age. We suspect they have chosen an age range where it is plausible that minimal aging will occur.

Modifié par The Gentle Ben, 19 janvier 2011 - 11:17 .

[Ninotchka]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

I would still buy it (I did...), because its a lot of content (not everything matching the Orignis quality, but still) at a very lower price...

Regarding  the marketing strategies, it has been discussed in this forum before, many times, the last I remember when DA2 was announced. It boils down to demographics... Female players have a great voice here in the forums, but dont count much in the overall sales... Its the same reason they are marketing DA2 mainly as a "sexier, bloodier, grittier" game, all directed to young console players...  Such are at this moment the facts of life. Until female players turn to represent a "bigger slize" of the "cake", they wont be acnoknowledged in the marketing campaigns in that level of detail. 

Bioware should buck that trend and try to make the game, heck the whole bloody/gritty/sexy RPG genre more appealing to females. For instance, the Sims (1,2 &3) is seemingly, totally dominated by female players. Maybe if Bioware added the possibility of decorating/designing Hawke's abode, clothing and possibly allow him/her to procreate, then the number of female players would go through the roof

Joking aside, Bioware marketing don't seem to have much integrity in this particular case. They are, as Maria13 said, perpetuating this trend of promoting to male gamers as a priority and thus continuing male gamer dollars dominating the sales. Maybe if marketing emphasised those qualities of this game that appeal to the general female gamer populace, for instance: the fantasy, adventure, companionship (platonic or romantic) aspects then they might experience an increase in sales amongst female gamers, that is if they want to see more females playing their games. Otherwise it's all about the MOOLAH.

But yeah, end of ranty, tanty apologies for bringing this topic up again, just had to vent.