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[NICKjnp]

I prefer using the mattock over the locust. The mattock is highly accurate AND has good dps against armor/shields/barrier. There is no sniper zoom issue for non-soldier classes who want to use their powers. And the tempest is just as effective as the scimitar when you need to really focus on shields (which rarely happens because the mattock can take care of that for you). I like to switch things up and use the other bonus weapons but the locust is not a solve everything weapon by any means.

[thatdude90210]

Mattock gives my Vanguard another charge weapon. It's a good change of pace, don't always have to charge with the shotgun.

[masseffectexpert94]

thatdude90210 wrote...

Mattock gives my Vanguard another charge weapon. It's a good change of pace, don't always have to charge with the shotgun.

if your a vangaurd you shouldn't pick AR training over claymore

[JaegerBane]

NICKjnp wrote...
I like to switch things up and use the other bonus weapons but the locust is not a solve everything weapon by any means.

I'm not sure the Locust is really being marketed as the 'solve everything weapon' - the point being made is that it's a good all-round choice that is never the worst weapon to use, not that it's always the best.

masseffectexpert94 wrote...

if your a vangaurd you shouldn't pick AR training over claymore

That depends. The Claymore is neither the most powerful nor is it the most flexible of the shotties, but it demands quite a sacrifice to wield. I'd only take it if I was playing Kronner's style of Vanguard.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 23 janvier 2011 - 02:08 .

[tangmcgame]

masseffectexpert94 wrote...

thatdude90210 wrote...

Mattock gives my Vanguard another charge weapon. It's a good change of pace, don't always have to charge with the shotgun.

if your a vangaurd you shouldn't pick AR training over claymore

You should if you prefer the Scimitar, Eviscerator or GPs, or if you'd rather shore up a class weakness than increase a class strength.  Claymore is nowhere near an "autopick" for the Vanguard, even more so if you're playing 360.

[SupidSeep]

masseffectexpert94 wrote...

if your a vangaurd you shouldn't pick AR training over claymore

Not everyone can muster the skill for the Claymore reload trick.  I can't, so I stayed with the Eviscerator.

[masseffectexpert94]

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That depends. The Claymore is neither the most powerful nor is it the most flexible of the shotties, but it demands quite a sacrifice to wield. I'd only take it if I was playing Kronner's style of Vanguard.
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 but the vangaurds charge makes it the only class worth having it on

[masseffectexpert94]

jaegerbane wrote



That depends. The Claymore is neither the most powerful nor is it the most flexible of the shotties, but it demands quite a sacrifice to wield. I'd only take it if I was playing Kronner's style of Vanguard.
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 but the vangaurds charge makes it the only class worth having it on

Modifié par masseffectexpert94, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:12 .

[masseffectexpert94]

sorry about the double post

[tangmcgame]

I took the Claymore on my soldier and haven't regretted it yet. I actually restarted after taking the Revenant and deciding I didn't like it. It makes closing the gap a lot more rewarding. And I prefer having a bit more ammo after a charge (I just got the Scimitar on my Vanguard Insanity game and it's awesome; I might stick with the Evi, though). There's no "best" weapon, really. There's just weapons you prefer and ones you don't.

[JaegerBane]

masseffectexpert94 wrote...
but the vangaurds charge makes it the only class worth having it on

Perhaps, but that isn't the point. The Vanguard may be able to use it to it's potential, but that doesn't make it an inherently better choice than the much more powerful Mattock, or covering long range with the Viper.

Or, more simply, it just means the Claymore is better when wielded by a Vanguard, not that a Vanguard is better when wielding a Claymore.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 23 janvier 2011 - 07:29 .

[chester013]

I'm a locust fan, I always do Kasumi's mission to get it because it's just so versatile. That said, I treat it as "good when you don't have X" which as I play infiltrators (when I don't play a Soldier) as med/short range barrier stripper when powers are unavailable. If an enemy has health and armour up I'm all over the Phalanx like white on rice.



Of course all of the above are moot points if there is any opportunity to whip out the Widow.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Who needs Bud Light when you have vodka? LOLZ pointless comment is pointless



But in all seriousness the Locust is awesome.

[Arhka]

The only AR's really worth taking over SMG's are the Mattock(DPS + Good Distance), and the Collector Assault Rifle(excellent hip-fire and moving accuracy).



That's really it.



The GPS could be argued for it's masses of ammo, though.

[tangmcgame]

I don't like the Geth Pulse Rifle simply because the clip seems to run dry before I've done enough damage to be worth it. Basically, I feel like I spend too much time reloading and not enough fighting.

[JaegerBane]

Arhka wrote...

The only AR's really worth taking over SMG's are the Mattock(DPS + Good Distance), and the Collector Assault Rifle(excellent hip-fire and moving accuracy).

IIRC the DPS of the CAR pales in comparison to the Locust and it's accuracy only slightly falls behind, so I'm not sure I'd take ARs just to wield it. Definitely for the Mattock, though.

[Firesteel]

JaegerBane wrote...

Arhka wrote...

The only AR's really worth taking over SMG's are the Mattock(DPS + Good Distance), and the Collector Assault Rifle(excellent hip-fire and moving accuracy).

IIRC the DPS of the CAR pales in comparison to the Locust and it's accuracy only slightly falls behind, so I'm not sure I'd take ARs just to wield it. Definitely for the Mattock, though.

I use the CAR a lot actually, yes it isn't the greatest in the damage department, but the constant accuracy all the time is nice, and I feel like it has more shots hit that the Avenger. Plus it looks awesome. I wish it had a buff against something, because the Revenant and Mattock have armor. I forget does the VIndicator? And in its description it says it takes out barriers quickly, so shouldn't it have a buff against them?

[Locutus_of_BORG]

The CAR handles pretty nicely, buts dps is just too low... besides, the Locust does all the same things the CAR does and better.

I personally like the feel of the CAR, but I think its possibly one of the weakest guns in the game.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:34 .

[vekkth]

i've read this post and thought - hmm why shouldnt i start a sentinel on insane, go straight for Locust then see how it is?

well, seriously, guys, Locust is a good smg, but you cant compare it with Mattock. actually no weapon outside of may be Widow can be compared with it - the amount of damage you can do with proper aiming is disgusting.



so, Locust is an OK weapon. even more, its the best SMG. but that is all

[JaegerBane]

vekkth wrote...
well, seriously, guys, Locust is a good smg, but you cant compare it with Mattock. actually no weapon outside of may be Widow can be compared with it - the amount of damage you can do with proper aiming is disgusting.

You can't compate anything to the Mattock. It's a broken weapon. It's fire rate is far too high for what it is to be approaching any sense of balance.

But that is another discussion

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^Even a 6/6 upgraded Cain has trouble comparing to the Mattock.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 25 janvier 2011 - 04:57 .

[masseffectexpert94]

JaegerBane wrote...

masseffectexpert94 wrote...
but the vangaurds charge makes it the only class worth having it on

Perhaps, but that isn't the point. The Vanguard may be able to use it to it's potential, but that doesn't make it an inherently better choice than the much more powerful Mattock, or covering long range with the Viper.

Or, more simply, it just means the Claymore is better when wielded by a Vanguard, not that a Vanguard is better when wielding a Claymore.

Maybe but what use would ar's be to a vanguard when we have decided that the locust is better

[masseffectexpert94]

JaegerBane wrote...

vekkth wrote...
well, seriously, guys, Locust is a good smg, but you cant compare it with Mattock. actually no weapon outside of may be Widow can be compared with it - the amount of damage you can do with proper aiming is disgusting.

You can't compate anything to the Mattock. It's a broken weapon. It's fire rate is far too high for what it is to be approaching any sense of balance.

But that is another discussion

if your saying its too good at what it does I agree

[JaegerBane]

masseffectexpert94 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Perhaps, but that isn't the point. The Vanguard may be able to use it to it's potential, but that doesn't make it an inherently better choice than the much more powerful Mattock, or covering long range with the Viper.

Or, more simply, it just means the Claymore is better when wielded by a Vanguard, not that a Vanguard is better when wielding a Claymore.

Maybe but what use would ar's be to a vanguard when we have decided that the locust is better

Because the Mattock/Locust/GPS or Mattock/Locust/Scimitar combos are far better than the Locust/Claymore combo in most scenarios and playstyles.

[tangmcgame]

And, as I've seen shown multiple times and experienced firsthand last night, the Mattock is an amazing substitute for a shotgun after a charge. It's nice to have a weapon you can attack at range with and still be useful if you have to charge.

I almost took sniper training for the Viper, but I think I'll stick with the Mattock. I really dislike the Claymore since I tend to charge into situations where I might need to fire on multiple targets to get the Inferno cc effect on them, but I like the kill power of the Evi over the rapid fire of the Scimitar.