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[Fiery Phoenix]

thegreateski wrote...

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They may have been but the majority of the animations were shared between the Sheps.

True. Still, they were noticeable. Just take the walking animation as a quick example and compare it with ME2's walking animation for the two genders.

[thegreateski]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

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They may have been but the majority of the animations were shared between the Sheps.

True. Still, they were noticeable. Just take the walking animation as a quick example and compare it with ME2's walking animation for the two genders.

I would have to double check that as I have not played ME1 in quiet some time. So I'll just take your word for it.

[Ambeth]

Images wrote...

There were equally strange feminine poses for male Sheps, with strange expressions. Talking with Jacob in the armoury anyone? Leaning back with that learing smile. Awwwwkward.

But I don't mind. Ya buy the doughnut, ya buy the hole.

How did I miss this before?

Anyway, I found that just awkward on both Shepards.  It wasn't until I played Male Shep that an idea occurred to me of what they might have been trying for there.  The heels of MaleShep's hands almost look like they are resting on the tabletop behind him, making a relaxed pose.  With the slightly shorter FemShep it's her wrists resting against the table, making the illusion harder to hold onto.

Awkward.  But maybe it's just to show that Shepard (of either gender) doesn't do 'relaxed' very well. 

[Ambeth]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

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They may have been but the majority of the animations were shared between the Sheps.

True. Still, they were noticeable. Just take the walking animation as a quick example and compare it with ME2's walking animation for the two genders.

And that's an improvement over women walking in DAO.    I wince and have to look away.

[JamieCOTC]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm sorry, Jamie, but that's splitting hairs.

Against all evidence by the human eye that such a thing does not exist, the ignorant should be shown the light of knowledge and delivered proof of the existence of separate femshep animations. So let it be.

[Bourne Endeavor]

AwesomeName wrote...

I LOVE that she has masculine body language - I think it's empowering. The only time I'd like her to sit like a girl, is when she's wearing that dress. I'd also like her to be more free-spirited when she dances... Otherwise, I love how she carries herself, and I don't see why she should conform her body language to that of a girly girl.

I would not classify Miranda, Dr. Chakwas and especially not Aria, as "girly "girls" and they all possess feminine movements whether walking or sitting. And no offensive but... empowering, really? It is sitting we are discussing here, not women's rights.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 19 janvier 2011 - 08:23 .

[Ryzaki]

AwesomeName wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

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They may have been but the majority of the animations were shared between the Sheps.

True. Still, they were noticeable. Just take the walking animation as a quick example and compare it with ME2's walking animation for the two genders.

I suppose the walking animation is wierd because it looks like a limp rather than it being applied to femshep - isn't it just as wierd on male shep?  Although I do like it when she's in the armor.  The way she walks in LOTSB in that cutscene at the end of Azure or whatever it was called, looked good too I thought...

Yes it is. As is that weird neck twist thing he does when jogging. Just plain annoying/disturbing considering he walks normally in cutscenes. I guess Cerberus rebuilt him enough that he can only walk right at certain times. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 08:43 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

The walking animation in ME2 is half-assed at best. Not only is it shared between the two genders, but it's also fundamentally weak (mainly due to the limp thing). Funnily enough, it was almost perfect in ME1.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 19 janvier 2011 - 08:46 .

[Ambeth]

AwesomeName wrote...

Ambeth wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Seriously, I say keep it how it is in LOTSB. Especially the sitting - I think it's a great touch that she sits like that unless she's in a tight dress. I think it accurately reflects her character because she doesn't seem like the type of person who typically dresses like that (as reflected by Kasumi), and therefore that probably extends to how she carries herself as well. She is quite masculine for a woman, that's just who she is. Also I don't see how sitting with legs apart is uncomfortable :/ I sit with my legs apart, because it's less strain on my muscles, not just because of my "equipment" - the more closed my legs are the more muscular contraction I have to exert and my thighs begin to ache... /slightly off-topic

Kasumi say the same thing regardless of the gender of Shepard.  And it's not the knees apart that I find awkward.  That IS more comfortable most of the time.  It's the rest: the ankle on the knee, the leaning forward pose.  Awkward to do in RL for a woman.


And, I dunno, but equating masculine poses with empowerment.... that's conforming to the current male-centric paradigm, if you ask me.

Kasumi saying that to manshep doesn't change that though - just means neither man nor femshep are girly/delicate people. 

As for the conformity thing... I think being a warrior is a more masculine thing - we are more physically adapted for it with the extra testosterone, and that hormone affects more than just the size of our muscles, it affects our behaviour - it's not this fasionable thing most of us choose to conform to... it comes naturally.  Again, I don't know if this is medically accurate, but wouldn't Shepard be using a relatively high amount of testosterone for a woman? 

Fighting and such is an aggressive thing - you use more testosterone for that.  So I don't think it's surprising that since she can use her body in a fight in a way that generally comes more naturally to a man, that that permeates into the rest of her body language as a result.  Hell, it's not just her movement, there's also her assertive attitude, the big speeches, the fact that she never breaks under ridiculous pressure... a lot of these things are easier with more testosterone (I think some of our female politicians may even have taken some kind of testosterone supplementation).  Again, I'm not doctor so I don't know if the testosterone thing is right, and maybe it's more than just that.

Just out of interest, why is the ankle on the knee and leaning forward (elbows on knees?) difficult?  Do you feel too much of an ache or stretch in certain joints/muscles?  Maybe this has nothing to do with it (), but I wouldn't be surprised if Shepard just has more muscular support and flexibility than you!   *wonders now, if you're actually a female mma bodybuilder...*

Um..yeah.  I think I better just chalk this up to us never seeing eye-to-eye on the masculine = empowerment thing and leave it at that.  You live and breath it, it seems, and I doubt I can make you see anything outside it.


And, a woman's hips are not the same as a man's, nor is a woman's center of gravity in the same place - this is why men and women move differently - it's not just learned behavior.  So, yes, trying to sit in those poses is uncomfortable for me and it's not completely a lack of limberness or muscle mass.

[JamieCOTC]

Ambeth wrote...

And, a woman's hips are not the same as a man's, nor is a woman's center of gravity in the same place - this is why men and women move differently - it's not just learned behavior.  So, yes, trying to sit in those poses is uncomfortable for me and it's not completely a lack of limberness or muscle mass.

THIS!

[Xeranx]

Strugz wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I LOVE that she has masculine body language - I think it's empowering. The only time I'd like her to sit like a girl, is when she's wearing that dress. I'd also like her to be more free-spirited when she dances... Otherwise, I love how she carries herself, and I don't see why she should conform her body language to that of a girly girl.

Empowering?

That's exactly how I feel Strugz.  I find it to be counterintuitive for any woman to adopt male mannerisms in order to be accepted or taken seriously.  In fact I'm more liable to view a woman that acts like a man as weak rather than strong.  If it's empowering for a woman to adopt masculine body language then what does it say about the women who don't adopt masculine body language and raise strong men?

[Ryzaki]

Nothing. Your mannerisms shouldn't say anything about you how strong or weak you are. Sitting with your legs open shouldn't get you treated any differently than with your legs closed. But some act like one or the other makes you weak/manly. It's irritating.

I didn't mind FemShep's animations. I found they matched my own a lot of the time. Yes there was weird floaing/clipping but that happens for dude Shep too. If FemShep had to cross her legs when she sat spoken in a gentle tone and did all idealized views of a female I'd gag if she gaped her legs wide open,spoke in a growling voice and did all the idealized views of a male I'd gag.

I think she's a nice medium.

Though FemShep to me is too damn average looking. I want more muscle on her arms.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 09:28 .

[SmokePants]

Lady Sheperd has always seemed "Wrong" to me. She looks like a kindergarten teacher, moves like a dude, and some people have her wearing make-up into battle. I sometimes stop to imagine her putting on her hard suit and then stopping to apply mascara and it always makes me pity the sad thing.

[JuicElawl]

ME3 needs a cutscene where FemShep scratches her non existent balls.

[Ryzaki]

JuicElawl wrote...

ME3 needs a cutscene where FemShep scratches her non existent balls.

So she's just scratch her lady bit instead? That place can itch you know

[Avilia]

I didn't even notice until it was pointed out to me. I think the only movements I found particularly jarring were some of the conversation poses - talking to Aria in Afterlife comes to mind.

To be honest, I'd prefer my Shepards to be a bit male in their movements if the alternative is the 'arm flailing' 'knee knocking' run and combat animations I've seen in other games. This is my concern about giving female Shepard her own animation set.

Modifié par Avilia, 19 janvier 2011 - 09:40 .

[Captain Crash]

This has always been a issue for femshep players. Especially since she had her own animations in ME only to have it taken away in ME2 as already pointed out.



The main reason why so many people are annoyed by it is because it starring you in the face virtually all the time in the way she runs, walks, moves ect. That undermines experience.