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[slimgrin]

Funkcase wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote..

Brock,

just wanted to know something about the pic you posted...

Is that by any chance a screen or something from the film "Bronson"?

I'm a skeptic for Hardy as Bane (rather than the Riddler, which was rumored for so long), but one of my friends went all fanatic on me and suggested I watch "Bronson" and then he said, and I quote "And THEN you will understand why Hardy as Bane is a good choice"

so yeah, I'm hoping to watch "Bronson" if I ever get the chance, so is that what I have to look foward to? If so, awesome, he looks really badass there.

Oh yeah, thats Hardy in Bronson- you can see the trailer for it here.

Bronson is a brilliant film.


I have concerns with The Dark knight rises, without Ledger, i'm concerned what they will do with the Joke? Will he appear with someone else playing him? Or will they find a way to end the Jokers story without him in the film?

Well, its just secondhand rumor, but supposedly they'll be using some of the cut material from The Dark Knight in regard to the Joker. I'm ok with that, as long as its limited.

I need to confirm this though.

[In Exile]

Deathwurm wrote...

@In Exile: As you said...you don't know very much about Bane and those descriptions you've cited are simple distillations of long story-lines.

But are these things about the character true or not? i.e. is this some hyper-intelligent Mary Sue?

The character was originally intended to be Batman's equal in almost every way except for the use of the Strength increasing and highly physically Addictive Venom mentioned.

Is this semi-grounded in reality Batman we're talking about, or "builds supercomputers in his spare time while doing abb crunches" Batman?

Some things you haven't cited: He was in Prison since childhood for Crimes his Father commited in a small Island Nation called Santa Prisca. He developed his own form of calisthenics, meditation, and fighting style on his own because there was no one to teach him. He taught himself all the things he learned through reading.
He was; again, designed as a Villian who would match Batman/Bruce Wayne in every way and be his Polar Opposite as far as Morality due to the Trauma he suffered throughout childhood. He was, in short the Negative-Batman.

This in no way makes the character sound like a not ridiculous Mary Sue. He taught himself martial and and all of science because of how awesome he is? That's his character concept?

But, you don't seem to enjoy "Western comic book heroes" as you stated, so I don't think I can change your mind and you are entitled to your Opinion.

I do enjoy American comics and absolutely hate Manga because while different in style the Heroes are no more or less believable and many are as generic to me as you view American Comic Heroes...
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

I think manga is ridiculous, unless it happens to be something that's visually impressive (which is why I did read the Batman comics I did - some of the art and presentation is incredible). I  prefer stuff from Vertigo or image in terms of story. Noir crime or supernatural, but with a rather different sort of character that you find in typical Marvel or DC comic books.

[Brockololly]

slimgrin wrote...
Well, its just secondhand rumor, but supposedly they'll be using some of the cut material from The Dark Knight in regard to the Joker. I'm ok with that, as long as its limited.

I need to confirm this though.

I heard that too, but as I recall, a while back Nolan straight up said the Joker would not be in TDKR. I think the plan was to bring Ledger back for the sequel but given his death I don't think Nolan will put any Joker in TDKR- he certainly wouldn't recast the role and I doubt they have meaningful extra footage.

In Exile wrote...
This in no way makes the character sound  like a not ridiculous Mary Sue. He taught himself martial and and all of science because of how awesome he is? That's his character concept?

Bane is as much a Mary Sue as Batman. I think the thing to take from Bane is that he's essentially built to be Batman's intellectual and physical equal. And I think thats primarily what Nolan will draw from when making his version of Bane- someone that can out think Batman and can kick his ass in a fist fight.

Modifié par Brockololly, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:55 .

[slimgrin]

Well, Nolan has kept it pretty real so far. No Penguin, no silly Riddler. Camp is out out, and good riddance. Bane is a good choice imo.

Cat woman is pushing it as it is, even though I really want to see her.

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 janvier 2011 - 01:10 .

[Piecake]

slimgrin wrote...

Well, Nolan has kept it pretty real so far. No Penguin, no silly Riddler. Camp is out out, and good riddance. Bane is a good choice imo.

Cat woman is pushing it as it is, even though I really want to see her.

As long as they make Cat Woman a sneaky cat burglar who can take care of herself and not a butt kicking chick in a cat suit, i think it will definitely work.  Penguin and Riddler didnt have a whole lot of chance to work to begin with

[Deathwurm]

Is this still Nolan's last Bat-Movie? I had heard a when the 3rd film was confirmed that hew was getting out of the Bat-Films afterwards.

I don't think the Joker would have been featured in this film anyway...perhaps a Cameo like the Scarecrow made in the beginning of Dark Knight

I hope they use the really dark Selina Kyle story that Frank Miller retconned in Batman:Year One

@ In Exile: Vertigo is GREAT stuff! Image I'm not too keen on...Thry taking a look at Batman: Long halloween...great Art (IMO) and a Crime driven story-line, I think you'd like it based on what you've said.

[Deathwurm]

@PureMethodActor: I've heard in several different places that the role of the Joker really got into Ledger's head in a bad way. I'm not sure if your name is just for fun or if you actually are an Actor. I am and if you are, you know how much some Roles can effect you. There have been several Roles that took a long time for me to shake off because of how involved you have to get to really do a role right no matter what Style of Acting you use.

I honestly don't know if the Joker was slated to appear in any major way in the Third film...Nolan didn't really repeat himself in Dark Knight except for that terrific Scarecrow Cameo in the beginning.

I will say this...Ledger's performance creeped me out as much as Anthony Hopkins performance as Hannibal Lechter in Silence of the Lambs did...

[slimgrin]

Deathwurm wrote...

Is this still Nolan's last Bat-Movie? I had heard a when the 3rd film was confirmed that hew was getting out of the Bat-Films afterwards.
I don't think the Joker would have been featured in this film anyway...perhaps a Cameo like the Scarecrow made in the beginning of Dark Knight
I hope they use the really dark Selina Kyle story that Frank Miller retconned in Batman:Year One
@ In Exile: Vertigo is GREAT stuff! Image I'm not too keen on...Thry taking a look at Batman: Long halloween...great Art (IMO) and a Crime driven story-line, I think you'd like it based on what you've said.

Pretty sure he said it wold be. On a side note, Darren Aronofsky has always expressed interest in doing a Batman movie. WB had apparently approached him first but turned him down. Now he's turning the script into a graphic novel, which I think is a good idea.

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...
Bane is as much a Mary Sue as Batman. I think the thing to take from Bane is that he's essentially built to be Batman's intellectual and physical equal. And I think thats primarily what Nolan will draw from when making his version of Bane- someone that can out think Batman and can kick his ass in a fist fight.

Comic book Batman? Absolutely a Mary Sue.

I hope you're right re: what Nolan takes from Bane. I'm interesting in how they will show Bane visually. Hopefully they avoid the drugged up bulky steroid user look.... but given the casting of Tom Hardy, maybe not.

[Deathwurm]

commander Thermos wrote...

Nah, Nolan will do fine. Like he always does. I don't think that he'll make Bane look like a walking mountain of muscles. Hardy should do fine. Black Mask and Hugo Strange would also be good choices but I guess that we won't see them.

I was thinking how cool The Black Mask woudl've been as well!
And Thanks slimgrin...I think you're right that Aronofsky would be good to pick-up the "Cowl" if the series continues...I hope it does.
On another note: Anyone wanna see Superman make a return to the Screen? Superman Returns was just awful!!!

[Druss99]

Deathwurm wrote...

On another note: Anyone wanna see Superman make a return to the Screen? Superman Returns was just awful!!!

Nah not anymore, Superman Returns stole two hours of my life that I'm not getting back so I have no faith in anyone making a good Superman film at the minute. Plus Christopher Reeve is dead it just looks weird when anyone else is playing Superman.

[slimgrin]

I've never been a fan of Superman. Basically an invincible hero who can do almost anything....meh. Nowadays, with so much pessimism prevalent, I think he's a hard sell.

Batman at least attempts to approach reality, and there's frequently some element of the psychological. I kinda like that he's messed up in the head, always struggling with what he does.

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:04 .

[Xephyr829]

I curious to see Nolan's version of Bane.

[Deathwurm]

It will be interesting to see just what Bane does in the Film...Nolan left Dark Knight's ending in full "sequel" mode with much to be resolved in this Film...if that's done again we may see the literal breaking of the Bat that Bane achieved in the comics.

I want those 2 hours and my cash back after Superman Returns as well...ugh, what a dog of a movie!