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[Chuvvy]

Most people don't want multiplayer. I think a even a few big news (gaming news) sites have come out and said that's one of the main things they don't want in ME. Also ME2s combat was, well to be frank I thought it was slightly below average.

[BigBody26]

Alexander Kogan wrote...

rodgerage wrote...

OK well to start this off i dont want this to turn into a full on argument b ut it probably will. I seriously believe everyone should stop preasuring BioWare into making co-op or multi-player, if then going to put it in then fine but their main priority should be the campaign so stop making assumptions that there is going to be  co-op or multi-player. It's the last game it should all be about campaign.

Anyway im just stating my opinion and many other people's veiw on this matter.

Dude, I completely agree with you 100%.  Multiplayer is something that does NOT belong in Mass Effect 3 and it would be a waste of BioWares' time, money and patience into tacking it into the game.  Mass Effect 3 (and the Mass Effect series as a whole) was built from the ground up as an epic single player experience and it should remain as such.

And to everyone else out there that disagrees,  MULTIPLAYER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN EVERY GAME!!!  Just because a legendary series such as Mass Effect won't have multiplayer does not mean the end of the fricking world!  There is nothing wrong with single player only games!

I agree with this. 

[Jarek_Cousland]

If they make it outside of the main campaign like somebody stated that would be fine and could be fun.





However if it was in the main I think that would just be stupid. And sad.

[JamieCOTC]

Dusty Boy T wrote...

I don't think many people here want multiplayer anyway, bro.

Again, this.

Alexander Kogan wrote...

Dude, I completely agree with you
100%.  Multiplayer is something that does NOT belong in Mass Effect 3
and it would be a waste of BioWares' time, money and patience into
tacking it into the game.  Mass Effect 3 (and the Mass Effect series as a
whole) was built from the ground up as an epic single player experience
and it should remain as such.

And to everyone else out there
that disagrees,  MULTIPLAYER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN EVERY GAME!!!  Just
because a legendary series such as Mass Effect won't have multiplayer
does not mean the end of the fricking world!  There is nothing wrong
with single player only games!
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And this. 

I know a mod did state that ME3 was a SP game, but for the love of god, I wish a dev would say something and end this debate once and for all. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:45 .

[bjdbwea]

Jarek_Cousland wrote...

If they make it outside of the main campaign like somebody stated that would be fine and could be fun.

That would still be a waste of time and resources that should be spent on making the single player campaign as good as possible. If there's to be multiplayer in the Mass Effect universe, it should be a separate game. So if some people are so keen on it, they can pay for it.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:42 .

[Omega-202]

bjdbwea wrote...

Jarek_Cousland wrote...

If they make it outside of the main campaign like somebody stated that would be fine and could be fun.

That would still be a waste of time and resources that should be spent on making the single player campaign as good as possible. If there's to be multiplayer in the Mass Effect universe, it should be a separate game. So if some people are so keen on it, they can pay for it.

And they would be paying for it.  As I'd suggested, make it either Day 1 DLC or make it part of a more expensive Collector's edition if you want it on a disc.  It wouldn't take away from staff because they have the new Montreal studio that is acting as support for the main Edmonton studio.

Making it a separate project is not necessary or smart.  They'd sell less overall.  People who are normally only interested in single player MAY still get it if its part of ME3.  People who have no interest in multiplayer would not bother with an all new title.  Not only that, but ME3 co-op campaign could serve as a dress rehearsal for a future co-op focused game allowing for them to test what works and what doesn't AND get the fanbase excited about the prospect of such a future project.  

Honestly, nobody has even bothered to reason through how this could work.  All you guys do is SCREEEECH and cover your ears without even trying to think about ways that would allow it to function without hurting the main campaign.  

But why would I expect any more from the general public?  Its not like they've ever accepted anything new without burying their heads in the sand for a month and throwing a temper tantrum.  

Modifié par Omega-202, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:50 .

[ScorpSt]

bjdbwea wrote...

Jarek_Cousland wrote...

If they make it outside of the main campaign like somebody stated that would be fine and could be fun.

That would still be a waste of time and resources that should be spent on making the single player campaign as good as possible. If there's to be multiplayer in the Mass Effect universe, it should be a separate game. So if some people are so keen on it, they can pay for it.

This absolutely. It's entirely possible that the job posting was for a mutliplayer game set in the Mass Effect universe. I highly doubt BioWare's going to go through the hastle of shoehorning Multi-player into ME3.

[Jedi31293]

rodgerage wrote...

OK well to start this off i dont want this to turn into a full on argument b ut it probably will. I seriously believe everyone should stop preasuring BioWare into making co-op or multi-player...

I stopped reading there. Honestly, the most the community can do is influence a decision one way or another. There is no way a small group of Bioware Fans could actually force Bioware into completely adding or removing something as big as multiplayer.

[bjdbwea]

Omega-202 wrote...

But why would I expect any more from the general public?  Its not like they've ever accepted anything new without burying their heads in the sand for a month and throwing a temper tantrum.

Multiplayer is nothing new though, it's been done for decades, and new multiplayer games are released constantly. So why not simply play one of those if anyone is keen on playing a multiplayer game?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:57 .

[Omega-202]

JamieCOTC wrote...

And this. 

I know a mod did state that ME3 was a SP game, but for the love of god, I wish a dev would say something and end this debate once and for all. 

Did you actually read what you linked?  It specifically says its non-conclusive and that no features have been confirmed or denied.  Just because Pacifen says its single player doesn't mean it is.  

[Piecake]

Omega-202 wrote...

Piecake wrote...

I would never play it, but I think a Co-op would work well. Obviously, one person is always Shepard, but two people could take control of your other two squad-mates. It doesnt sound too particularly time consuming either.

Why would you assume it would work like that?  Why not make it part of a separate co-op campaign featuring a different cast of characters?  

Do it like Dragon Age Awakening or Halo: ODST but instead, include it packaged with the main game or as a "Day 1: DLC" for an additional price.  

I think your suggestion is everyone's hang up.  Don't shoe-horn multiplayer into the main campaign.  Make a separate campaign that tells a complementary story.  For example: have it feature "Big Ben" from the trailer along with a ragtag group of Human resistance fighters on Earth while Shepard's out in the rest of the galaxy recruiting the rest of the races for the upcoming war.  

I fail to see how it would detract from your experience.  It would just be there for people who want to play it.  Will it be ideal?  No, but I am sure there are some out there would would enjoy and appreciate it.  As for a seperate co-op campaign, I do not want that since that would take a lot more time and resources

[Omega-202]

bjdbwea wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

But why would I expect any more from the general public?  Its not like they've ever accepted anything new without burying their heads in the sand for a month and throwing a temper tantrum.

Multiplayer is nothing new though, it's been done for decades, and new multiplayer games are released constantly. So why not simply play one of those if anyone is keen on playing a multiplayer game?

Because none of those games are 3rd person shooters with class based powers, an awesome environment, amazing story and Game of the Year sequels.  

Multiplayer can coexist without hurting the single player.  

Why fight it other than to be sheerly selfish and stubborn?

[Omega-202]

Piecake wrote...
I fail to see how it would detract from your experience.  It would just be there for people who want to play it.  Will it be ideal?  No, but I am sure there are some out there would would enjoy and appreciate it.  As for a seperate co-op campaign, I do not want that since that would take a lot more time and resources

It wouldn't detract from any one individual's experience, it would just be a cheap version of something with a lot of potential.  

What would coop players do while Shepard was running errands on the Citadel or talking to people on the Normandy?  Who'd be responsible for allocating power points on the squadmates?  Who would determine weapon choice for the squadmates?  

[JamieCOTC]

Omega-202 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

And this. 

I know a mod did state that ME3 was a SP game, but for the love of god, I wish a dev would say something and end this debate once and for all. 

Did you actually read what you linked?  It specifically says its non-conclusive and that no features have been confirmed or denied.  Just because Pacifen says its single player doesn't mean it is.  

And that's why I said I'd like a dev to come in a settle the whole mess once and for all.  I think we all would, one way or another. 

[bjdbwea]

Omega-202 wrote...

Because none of those games are 3rd person shooters with class based powers, an awesome environment, amazing story and Game of the Year sequels.

But a good story and multiplayer gameplay are mutually exclusive. And if you want a dedicated multiplayer mode, it would be better to outsource that into its own game.

Omega-202 wrote...

Multiplayer can coexist without hurting the single player.

No, that's not possible. As good as a game might be, it could always be even better if the developers had more time and resources. And developing a multiplayer mode will always waste time and resources that should be spent on the single player mode.

[JamieCOTC]

From now on I think I'll just use this for all these ME3/MP threads and leave it at that.



Will save me a lot of time and effort.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 20 janvier 2011 - 03:17 .

[Piecake]

Omega-202 wrote...

Piecake wrote...
I fail to see how it would detract from your experience.  It would just be there for people who want to play it.  Will it be ideal?  No, but I am sure there are some out there would would enjoy and appreciate it.  As for a seperate co-op campaign, I do not want that since that would take a lot more time and resources

It wouldn't detract from any one individual's experience, it would just be a cheap version of something with a lot of potential.  

What would coop players do while Shepard was running errands on the Citadel or talking to people on the Normandy?  Who'd be responsible for allocating power points on the squadmates?  Who would determine weapon choice for the squadmates?  

watch, and like I said, I imagine that the people who want to do this are making it a gameplay focused playthrough, so not a lot of optional talking.

The person who is playing the squadmate.  Or if the computer is, the player playing Shepard would

[Omega-202]

bjdbwea wrote...

But a good story and multiplayer gameplay are mutually exclusive. And if you want a dedicated multiplayer mode, it would be better to outsource that into its own game.

Well that's news to BioWare.  They're currently making the MOST EXPENSIVE GAME OF ALL TIME focused completely on multiplayer story-telling.  They're taking a $350 million + gamble on SW: the Old Republic and its ability to do multiplayer story telling.  

And no, its not better to separate it for them.  They can make a "half" campaign of multiplayer that could NEVER sell by itself but would give them good practice for an eventual full release game based on the concept.  Just like Valve did for Portal.  Its a tough concept to pull off, so why not give it a trial run as a "Day 1 DLC" tied to the second biggest game your company has ever made?  

No, that's not possible. As good as a game might be, it could always be even better if the developers had more time and resources. And developing a multiplayer mode will always waste time and resources that should be spent on the single player mode.

Because you can just keep throwing resources at a project and it gets infinitely better right?  No.  There's a point where the game is simply complete.  

So, especially if you have a separate office work on the other section, it doesn't hurt the single player.  It could have its own budget that would be recouped by the additional cost of the DLC.  

[jwalker]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

And this. 

I know a mod did state that ME3 was a SP game, but for the love of god, I wish a dev would say something and end this debate once and for all. 

Did you actually read what you linked?  It specifically says its non-conclusive and that no features have been confirmed or denied.  Just because Pacifen says its single player doesn't mean it is.  

And that's why I said I'd like a dev to come in a settle the whole mess once and for all.  I think we all would, one way or another. 

I don't understand all the secrecy. If they're going for multiplayer, that means they're targeting the masses.
Most of us, I guess you can say "hardcore fans", the ones who still play the game, the ones who still hang around in these forums are not part of that. What's the difference between pissing us off now and pissing us off months later ?
And if they're keeping ME single player, why not say so ? Most of us will be pleased to hear it.

[JamieCOTC]

Omega-202 wrote...

So, especially if you have a separate office work on the other section, it doesn't hurt the single player. It could have its own budget that would be recouped by the additional cost of the DLC.

A day 1 multiplayer DLC that will cost extra, I have no problems with. That's fine. That's a win/win for both camps in my judgment. I just don't want it in the main game ... at all.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 20 janvier 2011 - 03:36 .

[BringerOfChaos]

 If only OP knew.

[Omega-202]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

So, especially if you have a separate office work on the other section, it doesn't hurt the single player. It could have its own budget that would be recouped by the additional cost of the DLC.

A day 1 multiplayer DLC that will cost extra, I have no problems with. That's fine. That's a win/win for both camps in my judgment. I just don't want it in the main game ... at all.

Oh, wow, look at that, someone actually bothered to open their ears and listen for a second.  

If you include it in the Collector's Edition or have Bonus Edition with it with the additional option of having it as Day 1 DLC that costs extra, then as I've said over and over, there's no downside.  

It would do more for BioWare than selling a completely separate game as it would let them test the concept first and it would entice single player people to at least try it, while a full-on $60 game would not.  And who knows, they could convert some of the single player people if its well made and get them to eventually buy a full co-op ME game.  

The series has to continue after ME3 in some way, whether that be prequels or sequels and why not set up for said future?  

[Poaches]

I thought the only people who wanted the multiplayer component were console players. Making comparisons to console fps' with co-op modes.



My opinion, cover based shooters are too slow paced to have any entertainment value in competitive gaming. Mass Effect has no place in it.