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[Morroian]

Inarborat wrote...

Steam users weren't allowed to preorder the Sig. Ed.

So buy it somewhere else, no-one should be constrained to 1 platform or store.

[Il Divo]

hhh89 wrote...

Inarborat wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Shale was dlc as well.

Not if you bought it new.

Shale was a free dlc if you bough the game new. I'm sure about that because I've waited to have an internet connession available in the room where I play with xbox to use it.

Just looked it up, this is correct. I wasn't sure if Shale was simply included with only copies of DA:O which shipped last November.

[Nissa_Red]

hhh89 wrote...

Inarborat wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Shale was dlc as well.

Not if you bought it new.

Shale was a free dlc if you bough the game new. I'm sure about that because I've waited to have an internet connession available in the room where I play with xbox to use it.

I can confirm that.

 "Shale" and "Sebastian" are not really the same kind of DLC, or context. I would have been pretty miffed if a character linked to the party/main story like "Shale" had been missing from my party on day 1.

Actually, I am today, miffed, because of  that "Sebastian" DLC.

Modifié par Nissa_Red, 20 janvier 2011 - 09:52 .

[Morroian]

Nissa_Red wrote...

 "Shale" and "Sebastian" are not really the same kind of DLC, or context. I would have been pretty miffed if a character linked to the party/main story like "Shale" had been missing from my party on day 1.

Actually, I am today, because of  that "Sebastian" DLC.

How is Sebastian linked to the main story?

Moreover how was Shale? She wasn't really, not say like Alistair or Morrigan. ETA: OK I guess she is linked to the Caridin storyline.

Modifié par Morroian, 20 janvier 2011 - 09:54 .

[Il Divo]

Morroian wrote...

How is Sebastian linked to the main story?

Moreover how was Shale? She wasn't really, not say like Alistair or Morrigan.

This. Don't get me wrong, I was very happy that Shale was a full companion, complete with party banter, a questline, etc. But she was still an 'extra' companion in the way that Leliana or Zevran were; their recruitment didn't have significance for the big picture.

[Il Divo]

Inarborat wrote...

Superfluous to you perhaps but Shale was a constant party member for me....well until I sided with Branka one playthrough.  If one character is superfluous and doesn't add much to the game, that doesn't give me a lot of confidence in the game either.

Your enjoyment of a character doesn't make her any less superfluous. Carth is necessary. Bastila is necessary. Liara is necessary. Alistair is necessary.
 
Leliana is not necessary. Sky is not necessary. Wrex is not necessary. You get the idea. Many party members in Bioware games are not included because they have a huge significance but to provide a nice variety in personalities. They are still given background roles when dealing with most significant events in the main tale.  

Modifié par Il Divo, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:02 .

[The Elder King]

Shale was howewer meant to be part of DAO's story, not as dlc. They cut her because they had problems with her in the game. When they solved the problems, they decided to put her as free in every new copies, because it was originally meant to be in the game. Sebastian have been created with a different budget from DA2, and dosn't have a role in the game if you don't have him. The fact that you don't have Sebastian doesn'y cut the game's experience.

[Il Divo]

hhh89 wrote...

Shale was howewer meant to be part of DAO's story, not as dlc. They cut her because they had problems with her in the game. When they solved the problems, they decided to put her as free in every new copies, because it was originally meant to be in the game. Sebastian have been created with a different budget from DA2, and dosn't have a role in the game if you don't have him. The fact that you don't have Sebastian doesn'y cut the game's experience.

Neither did not having Shale. During my first playthrough of Dragon Age, I'd actually forgotten to download Shale. When I finally did later on, the story was not changed. She was an enjoyable dlc, but I think 'part' of DA:O's story might be pushing it.

[Deadmac]

addiction21 wrote...
Maybe you should write up a nice long post on what the proper way is to "roleplay" and post it in the off-topic section so the rest of us stop doing it wrong...

Have you ever played "Vampire the Masquerade" with dice, character sheets, pencils, and a playbook? Not the video game but the actual table-top version. Storyteller, players, characters, etc...

Modifié par Deadmac, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:06 .

[Meltemph]

they decided to put her as free in every new copies, because it was originally meant to be in the game.

No, they put her into the game because they used the DLC to finish her. She would not have been put in if it were not for DLC.

[Meltemph]

Have you ever played "Vampire the Masquerade" with dice, character sheets, pencils, and playbook? Not the video game but the actual table-top version?

ITT: The only way to RP is how I RP.

[Morroian]

Inarborat wrote...

Superfluous to you perhaps but Shale was a constant party member for me....well until I sided with Branka one playthrough.  If one character is superfluous and doesn't add much to the game, that doesn't give me a lot of confidence in the game either.

I liked Shale as well and used her a lot but  if she wasn't there it wouldn't have lessened my enjoyment of the game because most of the characters were good.

Inarborat wrote...

I might have if I had the option.  All digital vendors, except Steam, have tight region locking.  Steam provides me many other services the competition doesn't or can't offer.

I  was in the same boat I pre-ordered the disc version.

[IAmTheVoid]

Does anyone here know about the incident with the L4D2 haters fanbase?



Basically, Left 4 Dead 2 was getting a large hate following due to the early release date and fan concerns that their desires for Left 4 Dead 1 still hadn't been fulfilled. Valve flew the leaders of the L4D2 hate group over to their HQ, actually saw and played the game, and admitted the game was a significant enough improvement in quality and design to warrant another game.



They tried to disband the group, and most of the members left.



To cut a long story short: don't judge a book by its cover, and don't judge a bloody game before you get your mitts on it.

[AlanC9]

Inarborat wrote...
I might have if I had the option.  All digital vendors, except Steam, have tight region locking.  Steam provides me many other services the competition doesn't or can't offer.

And you couldn't get a physical copy?

[Il Divo]

IAmTheVoid wrote...

Does anyone here know about the incident with the L4D2 haters fanbase?

Basically, Left 4 Dead 2 was getting a large hate following due to the early release date and fan concerns that their desires for Left 4 Dead 1 still hadn't been fulfilled. Valve flew the leaders of the L4D2 hate group over to their HQ, actually saw and played the game, and admitted the game was a significant enough improvement in quality and design to warrant another game.

They tried to disband the group, and most of the members left.

To cut a long story short: don't judge a book by its cover, and don't judge a bloody game before you get your mitts on it.

I remember that happening and sometimes I feel Bioware (as much as I may love them) really should take a leaf out of Valve's book. Although having played L4D and L4D2, I personally didn't find the amount of content justified by the full price tag.

[AlanC9]

Inarborat wrote...

Morroian wrote...
I liked Shale as well and used her a lot but  if she wasn't there it wouldn't have lessened my enjoyment of the game because most of the characters were good.

True....but I'd also be wondering and thinking about how I might be missing out on something that enhances the experience. 

But that's true for any optional component of a game that integrates into the main game.

If having optional components doesn't work psychologically for you, that's a problem. For you.

Edit: I guess that means that for purposes of the DLC debate I'm the one with the problem. The best I can do is a sort of intellectual comprehension that  Inarborat feels this way; I don't actually understand the feeling any more than I understand religious faith.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:22 .

[Nissa_Red]

Morroian wrote...

Inarborat wrote...

Steam users weren't allowed to preorder the Sig. Ed.

So buy it somewhere else, no-one should be constrained to 1 platform or store.

If one sets aside the Steam users (of which I am) for a moment, who have their own issues with the Signature edition, what if I don't wish to pre-order DA2 on the premise that I don't want to support EA's current "hit and run" marketing tactics :

• make game as fast as possible
• force people to pre-order
• release buggy game
• go back to 1/ as fast as possible, instead of making the game stable/enjoyable for most everyone.

and delay my purchase for 1 week, or 2, after release, to watch the player feedback ?

Should I pay full price for a game that I couldn't enjoy it to the fullest at that time, because Bioware games are ALL about party characters, and have always been ?

I couldn't care less about a enchanted/overpowered weapon/armor/cloak, or even a secret hideout/storage camp bonus to reward people pre-ordering. Here, Bioware is leaving out a party character from start, if one doesn't do so.

They haven't done that before with any of their games. They do it with DA2, and that isn't conspiracy.

Modifié par Nissa_Red, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:24 .

[AlanC9]

Nissa_Red wrote...
I couldn't care less about a enchanted/overpowered weapon/armor/cloak, or even a secret hideout/storage camp bonus to reward people pre-ordering. Here, Bioware is leaving out a party character from start, if one doesn't do so.[*]

[*]So rewarding people for pre-ordering is OK if the rewards are worthless?

[AlanC9]

Wow. Looks like Amazon is missing a business opportunity. We sometimes forget how much it sucks to be anything but American or European.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:38 .

[Nissa_Red]

AlanC9 wrote...

[*]So rewarding people for pre-ordering is OK if the rewards are worthless?

Of course, not.

Rewarding the ones at the expense of the others, however, is a whole another business, in my opinion, a bad one at that.

I didn't feel "antagonized" by the pre-order bonuses of Dragon Age:Origins, Mass Effect 1 or 2, by none of the pre-order bonuses of any other games (The Witcher, for example), none of which I had pre-ordered.

I pre-ordered quite some other games in the past however, precisely for their bonuses, so it's not like it is not possible to strike a good compromise... somewhere.

The red line for me is a party character, and I understand it may just be a personal opinion, because for me, again : the whole point of a Bioware game = party characters!

[Meltemph]

make game as fast as possible

Assumption

force people to pre-order

Blatantly false.

release buggy game

Assumption

Should I pay full price for a game that I couldn't enjoy it to the fullest at that time, because Bioware games are ALL about party characters, and have always been ?

Enjoyment is subjective. If you feel you can't enjoy a game because it has characters as DLC, then don't buy the game, not seeing the problem. By the sounds of it though, you would rather them not make a DLC character and just leave him out.



I couldn't care less about a enchanted/overpowered weapon/armor/cloak, or even a secret hideout/storage camp bonus to reward people pre-ordering. Here, Bioware is leaving out a party character from start, if one doesn't do so.

They haven't done that before with any of their games. They do it with DA2, and that isn't conspiracy.

They did it with DAO, only difference was that all new games came with the game, but it only came with the game because of the delay.