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[Deadmac]

Il Divo wrote...
So how exactly does Bioware go about offering incentive for its preorders?

Easy, drop the price for preorders. If it works for dvd movies, I am willing to bet it will work for games.

Modifié par Deadmac, 20 janvier 2011 - 11:19 .

[Il Divo]

Morroian wrote...

[Oh joy this argument again. A sequel doesn't have to use the same characters. Its a continuation of the world. 

I can even understand complains regarding graphics/voiceacting, although I don't share them. If people enjoyed DA:O's graphics, it's understandable they'd want them to return. I have more difficulty understanding why some fans (not implying that it is anyone here) expect that every story they tell must feature the Warden/Morrigan/DA:O companions. It's very limiting if we view it in this fashion.

[Nissa_Red]

Deadmac wrote...

Just wait the hype out. BioWare will eventually reduce the price, and then they will sell everything in a cool bundled edition.

Yes, thank you for the advice, that is what I am probably going to do.

I have learned my lesson with EA/Bioware. I wish I didn't have to

[AlanC9]

Ryzaki wrote...

What boggles my mind is why there's money being placed on DLC while the game is still being developed in the first place.

Because the DLC will make money? I'm boggled by your being boggled.

[Meltemph]

Easy, drop the price for preorders.

They would only do that if they felt they needed to do that... why would they just decided to do that?

[In Exile]

StuartMarshall wrote...

Witcher 2 gets my money for now.

The action game with QTE combat, PC VO, the paraphrase, and a fixed gender fixed apperance main character? This is the game that fixes all the mistakes you outlined DA2 made going from DA:O?

[AlanC9]

Meltemph wrote...

So you are saying that you believe that the company would instead of just not having that dlc, would increase the budget of the game? Based on what? That content would not exist if not for this venue.

Never underestimate the power of wishful thinking.

[rabidhanar]

*looks at thread about new Deadspace armor in DA2

*bashes head against desk violently



I have no idea why people are disappointed of Dragon Age 2, no idea at all...

[Il Divo]

Deadmac wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
So how exactly does Bioware go about offering incentive for its preorders?

Easy, drop the price for preorders. If it works for dvd movies, I am willing to bet it will work for games.

This also means there would be no extra content period. Sebastian was designed as dlc, an incentive for preordering. If the preordering bonus is a cheaper product, they would not have created Sebastian.

[Nissa_Red]

Morroian wrote...

Nissa_Red wrote...
make game as fast as possible
force people to pre-order

Its a business decision, they are a company out to make money, no conspiracy there. They have been up front with everything that they're doing.

Never said that there was a conspiracy going, there is no need to.
If I came out like this, it is probably my mistake.

The bugs that won't be fixed, several years after release, are quite real however.

So is the "gut the core game to make DLCs ready for purchase the day of release!" concept.

I don't know, what is there not to be appaled over ?

[StuartMarshall]

In Exile wrote...

StuartMarshall wrote...

Witcher 2 gets my money for now.

The action game with QTE combat, PC VO, the paraphrase, and a fixed gender fixed apperance main character? This is the game that fixes all the mistakes you outlined DA2 made going from DA:O?

But I know what The Witcher is about, I bought it as a hack-n-slash RPG. I played DA:O because it was similar to an old school RPG and that is what I liked about it, CnC et. al. Witcher excels as an action RPG but has a much grittier, mature feel to it at the same time and to be honest judging by the previews may even have a better story and dialogue system than DA2. It may even allow less forced action than DA2 judging by what looks to be an excellent new stealth system.

[Morroian]

Nissa_Red wrote...

So is the "gut the core game to make DLCs ready for purchase the day of release!" concept.

I don't know, what is there not to be appaled over ?

The fact that they didn't gut the game. You've got to stop inventing criticisms.

[Deadmac]

Nissa_Red wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Just wait the hype out. BioWare will eventually reduce the price, and then they will sell everything in a cool bundled edition.

Yes, thank you for the advice, that is what I am probably going to do. I have learned my lesson with EA/Bioware. I wish I didn't have to {smilie}

Unfortunately, you are not alone. When I bought "Neverwinter Nights II" on day one, I paid full price for a bugged game in which got patched one whole year later. I was majorly burned. It was the first time I bought any game on release day. Since the store only accepted exchanges (bugged game for bugged game), there was nothing I could do to rectify the issue. During the year in which I was unable to play the game, the price slightly dropped from $40 to $29.99. Once the two expansions were released (year two of the main game's release), I decided to wait a third whole year to buy a fixed version with the expansions for only $29.99. I will never forget that experience.

Even though you are playing the game late, what really matters is that you do so when the dust clears. Wait and watch all the pieces fall on the floor. Patches, expansions, dlcs, etc... BioWare will eventually pull it all together into a nice bundle, but you get twice as much for half the price. No waiting for patches, expansions, or dlc. It will all be sold together.

Modifié par Deadmac, 20 janvier 2011 - 11:37 .

[In Exile]

StuartMarshall wrote...
But I know what The Witcher is about, I bought it as a hack-n-slash RPG. I played DA:O because it was similar to an old school RPG and that is what I liked about it, CnC et. al. Witcher excels as an action RPG but has a much grittier, mature feel to it at the same time and to be honest judging by the previews may even have a better story and dialogue system than DA2. It may even allow less forced action than DA2 judging by what looks to be an excellent new stealth system.

This is all subjective; but even if you're right and the Witcher 2 is all across the board better than DA2, why would this make you purchase TW2 and not DA2. You're basically not buying one game for exactly the same reasons you're being the other game. It's incoherent.

[Meltemph]

But I know what The Witcher is about, I bought it as a hack-n-slash RPG. I played DA:O because it was similar to an old school RPG and that is what I liked about it, CnC et. al. Witcher excels as an action RPG but has a much grittier, mature feel to it at the same time and to be honest judging by the previews may even have a better story and dialogue system than DA2. It may even allow less forced action than DA2 judging by what looks to be an excellent new stealth system.

Your whole post was and is incredibly subjective and requires a lot of presumption. I don't understand why you wan't to specifically mention a title that is just "so much more superior" with that kind of post.



I don't understand how people think making posts like that prove their cause anymore then they already have... If anything it hurts your case because it shows how bias you are.

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
So how exactly does Bioware go about offering incentive for its preorders?

Easy, drop the price for preorders. If it works for dvd movies, I am willing to bet it will work for games.

And then they don't make as much money later (remembering that they are a business). Plus those of us who get the extra content are deprived of the extras that we like.

[Tezzajh]

Morroian wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

my complaint is that its not dragon age 2 and not a sequal, it doesnt carry on from dragon age 1, 

Oh joy this argument again. A sequel doesn't have to use the same characters. Its a continuation of the world. 

no, not looking for argument its just my view which is probally shared by others, just saying i see sequals that carry on a plot or a story not a world exp mass effect you got reapers, halo defeating covenant, assassins creed defeating templars

[Morroian]

StuartMarshall wrote...

But I know what The Witcher is about, I bought it as a hack-n-slash RPG. I played DA:O because it was similar to an old school RPG and that is what I liked about it, CnC et. al. Witcher excels as an action RPG but has a much grittier, mature feel to it at the same time and to be honest judging by the previews may even have a better story and dialogue system than DA2. It may even allow less forced action than DA2 judging by what looks to be an excellent new stealth system.

But if you like both styles of games there's no reason not get both. Assuming DA2 is more of a hack and slash, which if you actually read the feedback it isn't. Its like DAO but slightly faster and with a VO.

[Deadmac]

Morroian wrote...
And then they don't make as much money later (remembering that they are a business). Plus those of us who get the extra content are deprived of the extras that we like.

...and, movie studios are not businesses who are not into making money?

Modifié par Deadmac, 20 janvier 2011 - 11:39 .

[Meltemph]

... and, movie studios are not businesses who are not into making money?

Directors Cut?

Modifié par Meltemph, 20 janvier 2011 - 11:40 .

[Il Divo]

In Exile wrote...

StuartMarshall wrote...
But I know what The Witcher is about, I bought it as a hack-n-slash RPG. I played DA:O because it was similar to an old school RPG and that is what I liked about it, CnC et. al. Witcher excels as an action RPG but has a much grittier, mature feel to it at the same time and to be honest judging by the previews may even have a better story and dialogue system than DA2. It may even allow less forced action than DA2 judging by what looks to be an excellent new stealth system.

This is all subjective; but even if you're right and the Witcher 2 is all across the board better than DA2, why would this make you purchase TW2 and not DA2. You're basically not buying one game for exactly the same reasons you're being the other game. It's incoherent.

This isn't my opinion, but I think his/her point is that because he/she plays different games for different reasons, DA2 is no longer what they were playing it for.

Ex: Look at how some people here praise Mass Effect for including a fully voiced protagonist but criticize DA2 for doing the same. In Mass Effect, it was looked on as a plus, but some don't think it fits the Dragon Age setting and preferred the silent protagonist of DA:O.

[Deadmac]

Meltemph wrote...
... and, movie studios are not businesses who are not into making money?
Directors Cut?

Regardless about what is within the contents of the package, movies sell on the cheap when they are first released. Very-very cheaply.

Modifié par Deadmac, 20 janvier 2011 - 11:43 .

[Morroian]

Meltemph wrote...

... and, movie studios are not businesses who are not into making money?

Directors Cut?

And other DVD extras.Most retail based industries that can use incentives gaming is one of the last and its happened because of the growth in the market over the last few years.

[Meltemph]

Regardless about what is within the contents of the package, movies sell on the cheap when they are first released. Very-very cheaply.

Huh? Movies don't go up in price after its initial release... What are you talking about?

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

Meltemph wrote...
... and, movie studios are not businesses who are not into making money?
Directors Cut?

Regardless about what is within the contents of the package, movies sell on the cheap when they are first released. Very-very cheaply.

In the cinemas? The analogy doesn't fit. Plus cinemas gorge you in other areas precisely because prices are too low to operate profitably with just movie prices.