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[Tezzajh]

Meltemph wrote...

Regardless about what is within the contents of the package, movies sell on the cheap when they are first released. Very-very cheaply.

Huh? Movies don't go up in price after its initial release... What are you talking about?

they do i got twilight 8 pound, week later was 13 pound

[errant_knight]

megaz635 wrote...

Because people whined that you were not a warden and complained about the graphics and gameplay looking "Worse". (Their eyes have been stabbed if they think that.)

Yes, because everyone's taste must be EXACTLY the same as yours.

[Deadmac]

Meltemph wrote...
Huh? Movies don't go up in price after its initial release... What are you talking about?

Sure they do. When the next BIG movie gets released at Best Buy and Wallmart, check out the price on the first week of release. I bet it will be hovering around $20. Once the initial promotional sale is over, the price will eventually inch up to $24.99.

Wow! You didn't realize this? Studios have been doing this for the last eight to ten years.

Modifié par Deadmac, 20 janvier 2011 - 11:51 .

[Morroian]

Tezzajh wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Regardless about what is within the contents of the package, movies sell on the cheap when they are first released. Very-very cheaply.

Huh? Movies don't go up in price after its initial release... What are you talking about?

they do i got twilight 8 pound, week later was 13 pound

And I pre-ordered DA2 for $50 when the RRP is $60. .

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

Meltemph wrote...
Huh? Movies don't go up in price after its initial release... What are you talking about?

Sure they do. When the next BIG movie gets released at Best Buy and Wallmart, check out the price on the first week of release. I bet it will be hovering around $20.

Wow! You didn't realize this? Studios have been doing this for the last eight to ten years.

Isn't that the store? Regardless I pre-ordered DA2 for substantially less than RRP so does't the same thing apply? Plus then they gouge you by getting you to buy the edition with all the extras. How are they being different?

[In Exile]

Il Divo wrote...
Ex: Look at how some people here praise Mass Effect for including a fully voiced protagonist but criticize DA2 for doing the same. In Mass Effect, it was looked on as a plus, but some don't think it fits the Dragon Age setting and preferred the silent protagonist of DA:O.

And that gets the same reaction from me. The feature is either better or not, and either desirable or not. A feature could be intercheangable, but if you honestly like it, I can't comprehend why a change would be a problem.

If Mass Effect suddenly changed from shooter to turn-based Heroes of Might and Magic type-combat, I would be equally enthusiastic about it, because I like that feature.

[Deadmac]

Morroian wrote...
Isn't that the store? Regardless I pre-ordered DA2 for substantially less than RRP so does't the same thing apply? Plus then they gouge you by getting you to buy the edition with all the extras. How are they being different?

So, if an offline store is selling your product cheaper than online, you would still pay full price for something being sold for less?

Modifié par Deadmac, 20 janvier 2011 - 11:57 .

[Nissa_Red]

Morroian wrote...

Nissa_Red wrote...

So is the "gut the core game to make DLCs ready for purchase the day of release!" concept.

I don't know, what is there not to be appaled over ?

The fact that they didn't gut the game. You've got to stop inventing criticisms.

I don't "invent" criticism. I am not even sure what that means, inventing criticism.

Either one objects to criticism, or one adheres to it. It is really simple.

Since you obviously don't seem to grasp the reality of the frustrating bugs that remain unfixed for many people that purchased Bioware games, despite the sequel being announced for in less than 3 months, and the fact that some people do care about all party characters being included to the core game, because it is a Bioware RPG, instead being released as paying DLC on the first day the game goes live,  we will just have to agree on disagreeing, won't we ?

[Il Divo]

In Exile wrote...

And that gets the same reaction from me. The feature is either better or not, and either desirable or not. A feature could be intercheangable, but if you honestly like it, I can't comprehend why a change would be a problem.

If Mass Effect suddenly changed from shooter to turn-based Heroes of Might and Magic type-combat, I would be equally enthusiastic about it, because I like that feature.

Yet that still doesn't lessen the fact that someone else may not be as enthusiastic as you. Someone may like a certain feature precisely because of how it is implemented in a game. It's not black and white. Someone can enjoy both the silent protagonist and the VA. That was why alot of people enjoyed what Bioware did with Mass Effect and Dragon Age. One game followed the VA path while the other followed the silent protagonist. If the games now feature only a VA, what benefits they saw in the silent protagonist are no longer there.  

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

Morroian wrote...
Isn't that the store? Regardless I pre-ordered DA2 for substantially less than RRP so does't the same thing apply? Plus then they gouge you by getting you to buy the edition with all the extras. How are they being different?

So, if an offline store is selling your product cheaper than online, you would still pay full price for something being sold for less?

I have bought the disc version.

[Morroian]

Nissa_Red wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Nissa_Red wrote...

So is the "gut the core game to make DLCs ready for purchase the day of release!" concept.

I don't know, what is there not to be appaled over ?

The fact that they didn't gut the game. You've got to stop inventing criticisms.

I don't "invent" criticism. I am not even sure what that means, inventing criticism.

Either one objects to criticism, or one adheres to it. It is really simple.

Since you obviously don't seem to grasp the reality of the frustrating bugs that remain unfixed for many people that purchased Bioware games, despite the sequel being announced for in less than 3 months, and the fact that some people do care about all party characters being included to the core game, because it is a Bioware RPG, instead being released as paying DLC on the first day the game goes live,  we will just have to agree on disagreeing, won't we ?

I wasn't talking about the bugs, they aren't game breaking so IMHO they don't matter. You''re inventing criticism because you continue to say BW gutted the game to make the DLC when they didn't.

[Deadmac]

Morroian wrote...
I have bought the disc version.

So, the offline version of the game (the one you buy at the store) is not the disc version?

"OMG! I have to use my legs?!?!?! Why... Why god!! Why..."

Lol... Do you order Doritos by calling the police?

Modifié par Deadmac, 21 janvier 2011 - 12:06 .

[Il Divo]

Nissa_Red wrote...

Since you obviously don't seem to grasp the reality of the frustrating bugs that remain unfixed for many people that purchased Bioware games, despite the sequel being announced for in less than 3 months, and the fact that some people do care about all party characters being included to the core game, because it is a Bioware RPG, instead being released as paying DLC on the first day the game goes live,  we will just have to agree on disagreeing, won't we ?

But this is the problem. If Bioware intended Sebastian from the start as being an added extra, they are not required to give him to you. If the bonus content they offer is a party member, that should be a testament to the fact that people enjoy that type of dlc. Ex: Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. Why is Bioware being reprimanded for releasing the type of content people would want to see? If instead of Sebastian the dlc featured something like Warden's Keep, would people suddenly be less angry about this because it's no longer a character?

Modifié par Il Divo, 21 janvier 2011 - 12:06 .

[Nissa_Red]

Deadmac wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
So how exactly does Bioware go about offering incentive for its preorders?

Easy, drop the price for preorders. If it works for dvd movies, I am willing to bet it will work for games.

EA's marketing people could learn from you, and they should.

I am sure it would motivate more people to pre-order, me for example (I would at least hesitate), AND there certainly would be no criticism at all

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

Morroian wrote...
I have bought the disc version.

So, the offline version of the game (the one you buy at the store) is not the disc version?

"OMG! I have to use my legs?!?!?! Why... Why god!! Why..."

Lol... Do you order Doritos by calling the police?

Whats your point?

[Deadmac]

Morroian wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Morroian wrote...
I have bought the disc version.

So, the offline version of the game (the one you buy at the store) is not the disc version?

"OMG! I have to use my legs?!?!?! Why... Why god!! Why..."

Lol... Do you order Doritos by calling the police?

Whats your point?

Morroian wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Morroian wrote...
Isn't that the store? Regardless
I pre-ordered DA2 for substantially less than RRP so does't the same
thing apply? Plus then they gouge you by getting you to buy the edition
with all the extras. How are they being different?

So, if an
offline store is selling your product cheaper than online, you would
still pay full price for something being sold for less?

I have bought the disc version.

Read your reply. That is my point.

[Morroian]

Nissa_Red wrote...

EA's marketing people could learn from you, and they should.

I am sure it would motivate more people to pre-order, me for example (I would at least hesitate), AND there certainly would be no criticism at all

You do realise that if you shopped around you could have got it for substantially less than the RRP. I've already said thats what I did. Its not EAs fault its yours.
 

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

Read your reply. That is my point.

Expand then.

[Deadmac]

Nissa_Red wrote...
EA's marketing people could learn from you, and they should.

I am sure it would motivate more people to pre-order, me for example (I would at least hesitate), AND there certainly would be no criticism at all

If they sold the game with the first dlc for $39.99, (on day one), people would flock to the store on release day. As the player reviews start rolling in online, BioWare can slowly adjust the price upward. Once the hype has fallen flat, they can lower the price down to $19.99. That is how cars, movies, and music are sold.

Less criticism. Less moaning. Etc... Players win, game developers win, and all is well.

Modifié par Deadmac, 21 janvier 2011 - 12:18 .

[Rake21]

I give you the reason of internet rage as taught by the Penny Arcade crew

http://www.penny-arc...omic/2004/3/19/

Modifié par Rake21, 21 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[Morroian]

Deadmac wrote...

If they sold the game with the first dlc for $39.99, (on day one), people would flock to the store on release day. As the player reviews start rolling in online, BioWare can slowly adjust the price upward. Once the hype has fallen flat, they can lower the price down to $19.99. That is how cars, movies, and music are sold.

Less criticism. Less moaning. Etc... Players win, game developers win, and all is well.

They would have done their sums and determined that selling less copies at $60 they make more money than selling more copies at $40. If they don't well then they'll revise their strategy next time.

[Wicked 702]

Il Divo wrote...

Tezzajh wrote...

agreed anything which is dlc now should be put in the game anyway, considering it hasnt been released yet

So how exactly does Bioware go about offering incentive for its preorders? Either they give exclusive dlc to those who preorder (in which case, those who choose not to preorder lose out) or the incentives they offer are so small/insignificant that they have little net impact, like dlc weapons/armor (in which case Bioware loses out).

No, this is illogical. Bioware doesn't lose out at all. The point is to make a sale. In Bioware's case, a new game sale rather than a used one. Whether the user pre-orders the game or purchases it at release or post release is irrelevant, the sale has occurred. The exclusive download content could be kept as a bonus for "new game sales", such as what they did with Shale, in order to maximize new game sales. That's the point.

The whole pre-order bonus issue raises questions of marketing gimmicks and other conspiracy theories. But since that's mainly opinion and speculation, there's no point in delving into that here.

[In Exile]

Il Divo wrote..
Yet that still doesn't lessen the fact that someone else may not be as enthusiastic as you. Someone may like a certain feature precisely because of how it is implemented in a game. It's not black and white. Someone can enjoy both the silent protagonist and the VA. That was why alot of people enjoyed what Bioware did with Mass Effect and Dragon Age. One game followed the VA path while the other followed the silent protagonist. If the games now feature only a VA, what benefits they saw in the silent protagonist are no longer there.  

Sure, they can enjoy both. But if you enjoy both, then why would a switch bother you?

[Deadmac]

Morroian wrote...
They would have done their sums and determined that selling less copies at $60 they make more money than selling more copies at $40. If they don't well then they'll revise their strategy next time.

If you feel happy with spending top dollar, to buy something in which will inevitably fall in price, there is no cure for your purchasing habits. I am not saying you are wrong, but I am say that you are in a boat exclusively designed for you.

"Dragon Age II" looks like it will be a great game. Even though I am going to buy it at a cheaper price, the most important thing to remember is that I will eventually play the game. Less cost, less bugs, and more content.

So, go ahead and pay $60 for the preorder, so you can get a few trinkets as an award. If you compare the price you will pay now (for a handful of bonuses) to the one others will pay for later (for way more content), don't blame anyone else for your inability to be patient.

Modifié par Deadmac, 21 janvier 2011 - 12:44 .

[Wicked 702]

Time value of money.



...or in this case, money value of time!