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[Augustei]

In Dragon Age Origins upon asking Sten whether or not I can trust him after recruiting him he told me that the Qunari are not a people of false promises and that they never go back on their word.

Ferelden, Orlais, Rivain, The Free Marches, Nevarra, Antiva, The Anderfels.. Pretty much every human nation except The Tevinter Imperium signed The Llomerryn Accord with the Qunari stating they would not invade or attack each other anymore. The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord. This can only mean that Sten is a LIAR! and the Qunari are LIARS! a people of false promise and lies. With this Metagaming knowledge, in origins you should kill sten in your next plathrough because you cant trust him.

Anyway so why did the Qunari break the Llomerryn Accord when they are supposed to be about Honor and keeping their word.. Not Liars?

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 19 janvier 2011 - 11:47 .

[kalassy]

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[Beerfish]

I left him in the cage in my last play thorugh. Like all wars/diplomatic incidents they will have some excuse as to why they were justified in doing so.

[Augustei]

kalassy wrote...

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K INDEED! k, indeed....

[Eveangaline]

We don't know the full story. It could be that kirkwall broke the agreement first.



Or it could be that Sten is an idealist, or even a bit nieve, about what the higher ups in the qun act like. After all, the way they're raised is a bit like brainwashing them towards one job, and Stens was to be a soldier. You don't tell your soldiers that your leaders are people who could be decieving you, you tell them they're faultless and doing what's best for everyone.

[Gill Kaiser]

I thought it was just a peace treaty. That doesn't mean they can't declare war again, ever.

Also, the Qunari have an entirely alien morality and outlook on life. Their concept of honour isn't the same as ours.

[The Night Haunter]

Or the rest of Thedas broke the Accord first and Kirkwall is the Qunari response..... hmm that fits.



We dont have anywhere near enough info to tell.

[Malanek]

XxDeonxX wrote...
The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord.

There is a lot of stuff in your post I am unsure about but don't you think you should play the game before jumping to these conclusions? For all you know an evil Kirkwallian kidnapped the Par Vollian minister for art and culture.

[Maria Caliban]

This guy has a point.

In my next playthrough, I'm going to kill Sten because his people are LIARS unlike the humans, dwarves, and elves I travel with. Races that never lie.

[Malanek]

Actually thinking about it some more Sten also implies that a Qunari invasion is inevitable.

[Nerevar-as]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Or the rest of Thedas broke the Accord first and Kirkwall is the Qunari response..... hmm that fits.

We dont have anywhere near enough info to tell.

Would be funny to become Champion of Kirkwall by fighting for the ones who started the war. Sten did hint heavily the Qunari would be attacking soon again, so not only he didn´t lie, he gave warning.

[OldMan91]

This guy has a point.



In my next playthrough, I'm going to kill Sten because his people are LIARS unlike the humans, dwarves, and elves I travel with. Races that never lie.

Good to see you understand that it's entirely logical to kill Sten because of the future knowledge that there are Qunari attacking Kirkwall, and thus have obviously broken the Llomeryn Accord.

[Malanek]

What does the The Llomerryn Accord actually state? Is there a link to it?

[ThemFlashlight-headedThings]

Sten's a bro, idc if his people attacked a country that the Warden isnt even from. Thats like killing wynne because some mages are bad.

[Bad King]

XxDeonxX wrote...

In Dragon Age Origins upon asking Sten whether or not I can trust him after recruiting him he told me that the Qunari are not a people of false promises and that they never go back on their word.

Ferelden, Orlais, Rivain, The Free Marches, Nevarra, Antiva, The Anderfels.. Pretty much every human nation except The Tevinter Imperium signed The Llomerryn Accord with the Qunari stating they would not invade or attack each other anymore. The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord. This can only mean that Sten is a LIAR! and the Qunari are LIARS! a people of false promise and lies. With this Metagaming knowledge, in origins you should kill sten in your next plathrough because you cant trust him.

Anyway so why did the Qunari break the Llomerryn Accord when they are supposed to be about Honor and keeping their word.. Not Liars?

But do the Qunari attacking KW truly represent the ones who signed the accord?

[The Night Haunter]

@ Malanek - No, it is just listed in the Qunari Codes ( i think, or the chanty codex that has to do with exalted marches, one or the other)

[Malanek]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

@ Malanek - No, it is just listed in the Qunari Codes ( i think, or the chanty codex that has to do with exalted marches, one or the other)

So if the contents of the accord are unknown, how can the OP be so sure the accord has been broken.

[Guitar-Hero]

maybe they.. forgot?



- Qunari leader" We shall envade the Free Marches and reign supreme!"



-Random Qunari"Uuuh, excuse me sir.. but..didnt we sign a piece of paper saying that we wouldnt do that?"



-Qunari leader turns to advisor and whispers" Did we?"



-Advisor looks through stacks of paper, and finds treaty under a copy of Qunary Digest "yes sir"



-Leader looks at crowd with nervous look, then screams" Seize him!! he is clearly Tal Vashoth and does not believe in our values!!! and does clearly not use horn polish to keep his horn nice and clean!!!!"

[blothulfur]

Vashedan, we seek to bring the enlightenment of the Qun to your miserable lives and this is how you repay us with insults and insinuations.

Parshaara we shall let our steel and cannons speak from henceforth and tread your pathetic treaty into the mud of the battlefield.

Thought for the day: Though the wise man dwells far from others he knows not loneliness for the Qun is ever with him.

[Maria Caliban]

Malanek999 wrote...

What does the The Llomerryn Accord actually state? Is there a link to it?

Nope.

From Par Vollen: The Occupied North

By the end of the Storm Age, the qunari were truly pushed back. Rivain was the only human land that retained the qunari religion after being freed, and its rulers attempted to barter a peace. Most human lands signed the Llomerryn Accord, excepting the Tevinter Imperium. It is a shaky peace that has lasted to this day.

From Ages:

7:25–7:85 Storm: The New Exalted Marches are declared repeatedly by both the Imperial Chantry (to retake Seheron and the eastern city of Qarinus) and the Chantry (to retake Rivain). In total, three major Exalted Marches occur with only the second in 7:52 Storm being a total disaster (with the qunari capturing much of Antiva).

By the end of the Third New Exalted March in 7:84 Storm, the qunari had been pushed back to only the city of Kont-aar in northern Rivain and Par Vollen. By the end of the last Exalted March, rebuilding all the destruction that had been caused was considered more important than trying to dislodge the Qunari from Kont-aar once again. A meeting between envoys of most of the human lands (except for Tevinter) and the qunari at Llomerryn results in the signing of the Llomerryn Accord in 7:84 Storm and peace being declared. There is no peace between Tevinter and the qunari, though skirmishes are few while the Qunari pull back to Par Vollen and rebuild.

[HiroVoid]

Pretty sure I remember dialogue where Sten basically says why the Qunari'll invade again even though there's a peace treaty. Can't remember it though.

[SammyJB17]

Are we 100% sure an entire Qunari army representing the Qun are invading? Tal'vashoth exiles teaming up could cause an army of exiles. Without the game, we can't be sure. However, as Sten also said that eventually the Qunari would try to take Fereldan, so either he contradicts himself, the treaty expires, or they break it.

[Maria Caliban]

They're led by the Arishok.

[Augustei]

Maria Caliban wrote...

This guy has a point.

In my next playthrough, I'm going to kill Sten because his people are LIARS unlike the humans, dwarves, and elves I travel with. Races that never lie.

Good to see you understand