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[Guitar-Hero]

David Gaider wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...
The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord.

The Qunari have invaded Kirkwall? Holy crap! Someone alert the--

--wait, when did this happen? I'm confused.

Don't you remember.. During the tea break when dwarves invented a hat that dispenses beer at will, i swear its magic but the chantry approves... ofcourse the templars just recieved 100 free units...  

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

"When the Qunari armies return to Thedas, I will not look for you on the battlefield."

--Sten



Or words to that effect.

[stephen1493]

Uhh, I have a question. How do you know it was the Qunari who first broke the accord? Have you played the game? I'm just saying that the monarch in the game really gives me a "I'm crooked" vibe. I wouldn't put it past him to throw the first stone.

[Ploppy]

Gaider also claims that Isabela may not be a romance option. He's usually dishonest when talking to his fans.

[Malanek]

Dayshadow wrote...
I said I wouldn't help Redcliffe in on playthrough.  I then told the blacksmith guy that I'd look for his daughter because I needed to unload some items.  Sten calls me out on it and I lost approval.  Also, whenever you lie to someone with him in your party he'll call you out or tell the person that you aren't being truthful.

This doesn't mean he claims that Qunari never lie, just that he disaproves of it (this sort of lying) himself. This applies to real people as well.

Dayshadow wrote...
It isn't stated exaclty how the treaty came to be.  If the humans proposed it and the Qunari agreed without actually stating the terms of the cease fire, but merely that they would cease hostilities, then they haven't lied.  They did cease hostilities.  That doesn't mean they can't restart hostilities. 

They simply scribbled some ink on a piece of paper. If that paper said they would never engage in hostilities again that means nothing to them if they didn't explicitedly agree to those terms verbally.  I doubt they did because that would violate the Qun. I think they would be held to an verbaloath, but not a sheet of paper. And even if they made an oath would the oath be for all future qunari or just the ones alive during the time of the oath.  Can I honestly make an oath and expect my great great great great grandson to abide by it.  It is my oath, not his.

HiroVoid wrote...
* Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.
* Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?
* Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.

This piece of dialogue shows that, at one time, a Qunari did lie. The terms of the treaty are actually irrelevant because it has been proved in a different way. However I still need to see the source where Sten claimed Qunari never lie.

[silentassassin264]

Ploppy wrote...

Gaider also claims that Isabela may not be a romance option. He's usually dishonest when talking to his fans.

You dare call Lord Gaider dishonest?  He will feast upon your soul...in HELL:devil:

[Guitar-Hero]

Yeah, i know, he totally told me the dwarves have a hat that dispenses beer.. and i was like dude... and he was like dude,,, and we were like duuude... totally dishonest

[Malanek]

Ploppy wrote...

Gaider also claims that Isabela may not be a romance option. He's usually dishonest when talking to his fans.

That's quite an accusation there, I don't recall David ever being dishonest. The first sentence isn't proof either.

Modifié par Malanek999, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:24 .

[Beerfish]

They should have eliminated those bronze snarky bastahds when they had the chance. This is what happens when you don't finish the job. They should have driven the Qunari out of Par Vollen and off the continent. Want to invade again because we kicked your 'proud' asses? Be my guest, we'll wipe you out again.

[ObserverStatus]

Malanek999 wrote...

Ploppy wrote...

Gaider also claims that Isabela may not be a romance option. He's usually dishonest when talking to his fans.

That's quite an accusation there, I don't recall David ever being dishonest. The first sentence isn't proof either.

Are you sure you aren't thinking of Priestly?

[Beerfish]

Malanek999 wrote...

Ploppy wrote...

Gaider also claims that Isabela may not be a romance option. He's usually dishonest when talking to his fans.

That's quite an accusation there, I don't recall David ever being dishonest. The first sentence isn't proof either.

Don't worry about it man, this person postings history indicates they are some refuge from the codex.  Strictly trying to get a rise out of people.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

David Gaider wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...
The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord.

The Qunari have invaded Kirkwall? Holy crap! Someone alert the--

--wait, when did this happen? I'm confused.

Those Qunari bastards.  They even snuck up on Gaider.

[GodWood]

Ploppy wrote...
Gaider also claims that Isabela may not be a romance option. He's usually dishonest when talking to his fans

The key words there being 'may not'.
That's not a lie at all.

[TheJediSaint]

Hey, there is no reason to believe that the Qunari in the trailer was not simply a tourist, a very angry tourist. Mayhap he wasn't allowed in hightown?

[Chuvvy]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I thought it was just a peace treaty. That doesn't mean they can't declare war again, ever.
Also, the Qunari have an entirely alien morality and outlook on life. Their concept of honour isn't the same as ours.

I didn't even think it was a treaty, I thought it was a sort of cease fire. Like the US and North Korea have.

[Chuvvy]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Hey, there is no reason to believe that the Qunari in the trailer was not simply a tourist, a very angry tourist. Mayhap he wasn't allowed in hightown?

Maybe he lost his sword.

[stephen1493]

Their's no faster lockdown than when the whole thread values worshiping Gaider more than staying on topic. Although, I'm sure he'd leave us all a nice note while he locks us up.

Lol nvm. Got ninja'd by a few good souls who saw it coming.

Modifié par stephen1493, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:29 .

[Jarek_Cousland]

Wow, the more I read this thread the less I'm starting to like Qunari.





I'll feel no regret. But joyful glee shall etch my soul as I tear they're retched souls from they're bodies!!!!!!!!







too much?

[Dayshadow]

Malanek999 wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
I said I wouldn't help Redcliffe in on playthrough.  I then told the blacksmith guy that I'd look for his daughter because I needed to unload some items.  Sten calls me out on it and I lost approval.  Also, whenever you lie to someone with him in your party he'll call you out or tell the person that you aren't being truthful.

This doesn't mean he claims that Qunari never lie, just that he disaproves of it (this sort of lying) himself. This applies to real people as well.

He never goes so far as to presume that he can speak for every single qunari.  He makes a point of staing that generalizations aren't accurate.  He talks more about what the qun prescribes and not what individuals personally think or do.

But to get back on track, what is the lie you are referring to? How did the Antaam lie?

[Malanek]

Dayshadow wrote...
But to get back on track, what is the lie you are referring to? How did the Antaam lie?

By signing something they had no intention of honouring. That is lying however you twist it.

[Maria Caliban]

David Gaider wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...
The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord.

The Qunari have invaded Kirkwall? Holy crap! Someone alert the--

--wait, when did this happen? I'm confused.

It's not an "invasion." They're liberating the elves from the tyranny of the Templars.

It's Operation: Kirkwall Shield, which will be followed by Operation: Kirkwall Storm.

[TJPags]

Malanek999 wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
But to get back on track, what is the lie you are referring to? How did the Antaam lie?

By signing something they had no intention of honouring. That is lying however you twist it.

It really depends on what it said.  If all it said was "cease fighting", then there was no lie.

[Malanek]

TJPags wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
But to get back on track, what is the lie you are referring to? How did the Antaam lie?

By signing something they had no intention of honouring. That is lying however you twist it.

It really depends on what it said.  If all it said was "cease fighting", then there was no lie.

The dialogue between Sten and Alistair implies that the Qunari intend to break their word on whatever it was that was written. Sten doesn't deny that.

Modifié par Malanek999, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:48 .

[KendallX23]

Maybe it's not an invasion...maybe Kirkwall is having a sale bargain for something qunari want..

Honestly now...only sure thing we know about the story is that we take Hawke from poor guy too a champion...i will wait for more info or the game

And treaties...from what i read about the qunari they are not the type to believe in them in the first place...and they didn't lie,not really...they just told the humans what they wanted to hear

[TJPags]

Malanek999 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
But to get back on track, what is the lie you are referring to? How did the Antaam lie?

By signing something they had no intention of honouring. That is lying however you twist it.

It really depends on what it said.  If all it said was "cease fighting", then there was no lie.

The dialogue between Sten and Alistair implies that the Qunari intend to break their word on whatever it was that was written. Sten doesn't deny that.

Sten doesn't deny that they intend to resume fighting, I don't deny that.  What he says, courtesy of HiroVoid, is:

HiroVoid wrote...

Found it!
(Alistair as king)
* Alistair: So I suppose once I'm actually king I could end up in negotiations with the qunari one day.
* Sten: My people do not negotiate.
* Alistair: What do you mean? They negotiated a peace treaty after the war, and as far as I know they've kept to its terms.
* Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.
* Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?
* Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.
* Alistair: But I thought you said your people believed in honor.
* Sten: They do. The honor of the qunari is what will bring our warships back to your shores.

"Me people do not negotiate".
"They stopped fighting for their own reasons...the agreement means nothing to them"

If all the paper said was "we agree to stop fighting now" then there is nothing to break.  The did stop fighting now.  And now, they're going to start fighting again.

If all it said was "we agree to stop fighting" again, there is nothing to break.  They did stop fighting.

"I agree to give you $100".  Two days later, I ask for it back.  did I break my word?