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[Harid]

Beginning to think they just make this **** up as they go along.

[Kimarous]

An ongoing serious having details invented throughout its progression? ABSURD!

[Harid]

Kimarous wrote...

An ongoing serious having details invented throughout its progression? ABSURD!

This doesn't make any sense.

Conversely, I did not say it was an issue.  However, it leaves little to look forward to, but conversely lowers disappointment.  For example, the Suikoden series lead to the build up of Harmonia, so fans looked forward to it, and then it never came to pass, because the Japanese can't make RPG's on HD systems anymore for some reason.  Thusly, fans who got invested in the series that were looking forward to see Harmonia never got to, and are still disappointed with it.

I do however miss that feeling of lore having a path that you somewhat know, but are getting more information on, over time.  This is lost when they are, essentially, making **** up as they go along.

Modifié par Harid, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:29 .

[RevengeofNewton]

XxDeonxX wrote...

In Dragon Age Origins upon asking Sten whether or not I can trust him after recruiting him he told me that the Qunari are not a people of false promises and that they never go back on their word.

Ferelden, Orlais, Rivain, The Free Marches, Nevarra, Antiva, The Anderfels.. Pretty much every human nation except The Tevinter Imperium signed The Llomerryn Accord with the Qunari stating they would not invade or attack each other anymore. The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord. This can only mean that Sten is a LIAR! and the Qunari are LIARS! a people of false promise and lies. With this Metagaming knowledge, in origins you should kill sten in your next plathrough because you cant trust him.

Anyway so why did the Qunari break the Llomerryn Accord when they are supposed to be about Honor and keeping their word.. Not Liars?

So, where does it say that the Qunari are invading Kirkwall?

[Mad-Max90]

oh my maker, the the exalted marches are like the crusades...lol, sorry I never put 2 and 2 together

[AnimaTempli101]

I'm quite sure there's a difference between a peace treaty and a non-hostility pact.



Peace treaties just end wars, NHPs demand they never happen again.

[errant_knight]

HiroVoid wrote...

Pretty sure I remember dialogue where Sten basically says why the Qunari'll invade again even though there's a peace treaty. Can't remember it though.

Yep, Sten's no liar. He tells the warden straight up that he'll probably be back and he hopes they don't meet on the battlefield.

[The Elder King]

errant_knight wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Pretty sure I remember dialogue where Sten basically says why the Qunari'll invade again even though there's a peace treaty. Can't remember it though.

Yep, Sten's no liar. He tells the warden straight up that he'll probably be back and he hopes they don't meet on the battlefield.

Not only there. If Alistair becames king, he can have a party banter with Sten about the possibility of future diplomatic relationship. Sten clearly said that qunari donesn't give value to a piece of pacer, at that they firmed the teaty because the humans believe in it.

[AYCK-Xlive]

I'm not really holding my breath on whether this topic is true or not.

Actually... For me, finding out about the whole plot and the "why"s when i actually get the game is half the fun behind playing RPGs. its like reading the story and the motivations, especially in games like DA and ME.

Critical speculating usually just gets me woe. IMO the qunari invasion can be looking for lost cake promised to Sten for all i care.

Well... just throwing my 2 pence on the matter.

[Balek-Vriege]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but the Free Marches are not a nation correct? Meaning by Qunari logic that the whole region is fair game and doesn't break the treaty if cities there didn't sign. Although it seems the Imperium is the only nation/region not to sign it. Even so, the Qunari may have decided that Humans won't start an all out war with them if they attack individual City States first. Much like real world conquerers testing their enemies' limits by going after less important, but strategic regions first before all out war.



Then again, the Qunari taking over Kirkwall in DA2 might be mercenaries carving out their own Kingdom for all we know or working for some upstart noble.

[LoneStalker]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

I'm quite sure there's a difference between a peace treaty and a non-hostility pact.

Peace treaties just end wars, NHPs demand they never happen again.

This is exactly what I was thinking to say. Isn't it simple enough?
I hope we'll have a chance to play as a Qunari in a sequel, they are interesting indeed.

[BTCentral]

Maria Caliban wrote...

This guy has a point.

In my next playthrough, I'm going to kill Sten because his people are LIARS unlike the humans, dwarves, and elves I travel with. Races that never lie.

Yes, by the OP's logic, we should kill off all our companions.

[Zannana]

I am sure we have seen mercenaries before in DAO, couldn't that be it?

[thegreateski]

Liar? He straight up tells you that they're going to invade again.

[J0HNL3I]

i didnt even notice him in the cage on my first playthrough lol

[Beerfish]

errant_knight wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Pretty sure I remember dialogue where Sten basically says why the Qunari'll invade again even though there's a peace treaty. Can't remember it though.

Yep, Sten's no liar. He tells the warden straight up that he'll probably be back and he hopes they don't meet on the battlefield.

Yeah no wonder, Dog could beat Sten in a one on one fight.

[AlexXIV]

XxDeonxX wrote...

In Dragon Age Origins upon asking Sten whether or not I can trust him after recruiting him he told me that the Qunari are not a people of false promises and that they never go back on their word.

Ferelden, Orlais, Rivain, The Free Marches, Nevarra, Antiva, The Anderfels.. Pretty much every human nation except The Tevinter Imperium signed The Llomerryn Accord with the Qunari stating they would not invade or attack each other anymore. The Invasion of Kirkwall by the Qunari has broken The Llomerryn Accord. This can only mean that Sten is a LIAR! and the Qunari are LIARS! a people of false promise and lies. With this Metagaming knowledge, in origins you should kill sten in your next plathrough because you cant trust him.

Anyway so why did the Qunari break the Llomerryn Accord when they are supposed to be about Honor and keeping their word.. Not Liars?

Sten kinda states that this treaty is just a worthless piece of paper to him and most Qunari. It was more or less a 'tactical break' for them. They will always try to conquer all of Thedas if they can. It is even part of their philosophy that they must spread the Qun to everyone, whether they want or not. I don't see where exactly Sten was lying.

[_Aine_]

J0HNL3I wrote...

i didnt even notice him in the cage on my first playthrough lol

Good it wasn't just me. 
I also missed Leliana the first time.   I didn't even go IN to the inn. lol *shrugs, noob err*  I left too early eager to see the map and boom. Everyone died.  Sad really.  

Sten became my favorite companion over time.  He *did* admit that the Qunari will invade, and that he would not look for us on the battlefield.  Would be an interesting dilemma had our old Wardens come in to this world and he was a part of theirs.  Would he act of personal honour or the loyalty and honour to his people and the Qunari military if we met face to face?  I have my guess on that, but it is irrelevant really.  

My warden respected him for holding honor and his interpretation of truth even though it wasn't very often we agreed on what each were. 

Kind of reminds me of the saying from Winnie the Pooh:

"And he respects Owl, because you can't help respecting anybody who can spell TUESDAY, even if he doesn't spell it right; but spelling isn't everything. There are days when spelling Tuesday simply doesn't count."

I suppose, to the Qunari, it is Tuesday and the spelling doesn't count.   

[DPB]

Hanz54321 wrote...

At some point the creative forces behind these franchises either had to come up with "filler" to make more money or, worse, they became so enraptured with perpetuating their own story that it spiralled out of control into a bunch of non-sense.

That sounds like a perfect description of how Lost ended.

[blothulfur]

If the words on a scrap of paper are not of the Qun then they mean nothing, study the foreigners words and learn from them but do not think that you are bound by what they say.

[NKKKK]

Denial

[looneymoe]

Well according to this he's not really lying:



(if Alistair will become king)

Alistair: So I suppose once I'm actually king I could end up in negotiations with the qunari one day.

Sten: My people do not negotiate.

Alistair: What do you mean? They negotiated a peace treaty after the war, and as far as I know they've kept to its terms.

Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.

Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?

Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.

Alistair: But I thought you said your people believed in honor.

Sten: They do. The honor of the qunari is what will bring our warships back to your shores.

[Master Warder Z_]

Personally I don’t think sten actually lied to you for one, he probably didn’t know a time table of invasion to begin with. Besides is the concept of a religious crusade so foreign? Even in this game it has happened before. Who is to say the qun don’t have a rite similar to that of a exalted march? Regardless Perhaps he will be among the invasion force, if he is I would hope I would not have to fight him. Killing him once was more then enough for me, Regardless. There are other situations that could be at work here, they could have easily been a mercenary band. You run into plenty of mercenaries sharing the same race in the first game no? Besides I kind of think with this sort of logic, if they invade, why shouldn’t they be able to do so? While I don’t have many nice images of a campaign against the qunari that does not mean they don’t, if they find themselves In war. If it is truly as much part of their culture as Sten makes it out to be well, it is just their way.

[AlexXIV]

looneymoe wrote...

Well according to this he's not really lying:

(if Alistair will become king)
Alistair: So I suppose once I'm actually king I could end up in negotiations with the qunari one day.
Sten: My people do not negotiate.
Alistair: What do you mean? They negotiated a peace treaty after the war, and as far as I know they've kept to its terms.
Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.
Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?
Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.
Alistair: But I thought you said your people believed in honor.
Sten: They do. The honor of the qunari is what will bring our warships back to your shores.

Ah yes I remember this banter. Awesome on so many levels