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[Inquisitor Recon]

ZachForrest wrote...

I'd like to an attractive female Turian. Partly because it'd be an impressive bit of design and partly because I reckon Garrus is a handsome devil, so it's only fair.

Also because i'm very shallow

See, your just brave enough to admit it. You deserve a round of applause.

[JuicElawl]

ciaweth wrote...

URZ FOR LI IN ME3

Just kidding.

Can we get back to the female turian now?

female varren dont have boobs, so your proposal is invalid.

unless it is revealed that female varren do have boobs. in which case....

[JuicElawl]

Sunnie22 wrote...Just don't go on and on about sex, becuse, it's not even plausible.

where there is a will, there is a way (and lots of chafing cream, too).

[Barquiel]

Epic777 wrote...


I <3 irony ~looks at sig~

I don't have a problem with some silliness in rpg-games (...or I would have to stop playing Mass Effect)

[earthbornFemShep]

If you look at females vs. males in much of the animal kingdom, the males are more impressive visually: peacocks, ducks, lions, elephants. It makes sense that the male turians have more elaborate head fringe. Obviously, all my examples are based on non-alien creatures (since we've never met an alien), but just because they don't look like human females--they are still females. Also, the lack of boobs makes a lot of sense in non-mammals. So, drell, salarians, and turians should not have boobs. I am not sure why asari do, but we don't know how they nurture their young.

[ShadyKat]

The male turian on Illuim said female turian have fringes like asari. That doesn't mean they have none whatsoever.

[Nerevar-as]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

If you look at females vs. males in much of the animal kingdom, the males are more impressive visually: peacocks, ducks, lions, elephants. It makes sense that the male turians have more elaborate head fringe. Obviously, all my examples are based on non-alien creatures (since we've never met an alien), but just because they don't look like human females--they are still females. Also, the lack of boobs makes a lot of sense in non-mammals. So, drell, salarians, and turians should not have boobs. I am not sure why asari do, but we don't know how they nurture their young.

I would guess asari are mammals. Glad they have not gone the "male with boobs" route with the turians. Wasn´t certain what they would do after a comic had a female Predator with boobs.

[ShadyKat]

Nerevar-as wrote...

earthbornFemShep wrote...

If you look at females vs. males in much of the animal kingdom, the males are more impressive visually: peacocks, ducks, lions, elephants. It makes sense that the male turians have more elaborate head fringe. Obviously, all my examples are based on non-alien creatures (since we've never met an alien), but just because they don't look like human females--they are still females. Also, the lack of boobs makes a lot of sense in non-mammals. So, drell, salarians, and turians should not have boobs. I am not sure why asari do, but we don't know how they nurture their young.

I would guess asari are mammals. Glad they have not gone the "male with boobs" route with the turians. Wasn´t certain what they would do after a comic had a female Predator with boobs.

Yes they do have boobs. But they are also much larger then the males from what I know. At least they still look like the same species.

Modifié par ShadyKat, 20 janvier 2011 - 09:39 .

[greed89]

Is it weird i find that really atractive?

[ShadyKat]

greed89 wrote...



Is it weird i find that really atractive?

Not really, the body is nice. Just make sure the helmet stays on.

[Ride2Ruin25]

Personally, I am not a fan.  What I see in that picture is what one might jokingly guess what a very old male turian looks like, i.e. features being misshapen, 'hair' falling out, shrivelled/smaller stature, etc.

But more seriously, I have some thoughts on the matter.  Of course, the following is based largely on hints, speculation, and inferencing.

Though they've been mentioned before in the thread, that are some in-game references that imply turian females have fringes, such as the bachelor party and Garrus.  Garrus also indicates that females might be of shorter or smaller stature than males, but much more limbre, and possibly more lightly-built as a result (that being the 'reach and flexibility' comment he makes when describing his match-up to the scout).

Now, to be frank, the overall design that Dark Horse has presented is not altogether disconcerting.  The turian depicted appears to be of a slightly smaller stature (perhaps not as much as I would prefer, but regardless), with emphasis on the shape of the hips, and a perhaps a more slender build.  As for the mandibles, they are not really an issue, to my mind.  However, the lack of a fringe bothers me.

Yes, I have seen it stated that the small spike at the top of her forehead might be considered a fringe to the species, and far be it for me to disagree when so little data is available regarding cultural norms and the like.  That said, my guess would be that the spike would not be considered a fringe, even among turians.  This derives from both the comment about the asari in the bachelor party, and also by the fact that fringes seem to be a very prominent part of turian identity, as is implied by the aforementioned turians in the games.  That the fringe would be removed from turian females entirely strikes me as an odd decision on the part of the designers.

Both superficial and distinctive sexual dimorphism has been referenced in regards to avians and their influence on turian design.  However, the general consensus seems to be that males typically have more distinctive, colourful, or exaggerated phyiscal characteristics.  However, and forgive my lack of decent knowledge on birds, my understanding is that said male characteristics are often present in the females as well, but usually in a more subdued form.  peacocks and peahens, for example:  peahens, while lacking the colourful 'fan' of the males, still possess tail feathers.  They do not have bare rumps, the feature completely absent.

Indeed, though it is a stretch, by such thinking the turian females would similiarly possess subdued versions of the males' fringes, perhaps in the form of flat plates, or spines that only extend to the rear edge of the skull.  Again, removing the fringe entirely seems excessive and 'unnatural' (an admittedly weak claim, given that this is sci-fi).  With the plates vs. skin question regarding adaptation to the environment, I would think that those fringe spines would be designed to reflect light or dissipate heat, given how hot Palaven is said to be.  I can not speak to their purpose regarding radiation, that might have to do more with the skin itself, but it seems reasonable to assume that the plates/spines would be common to all turians, under those circumstances.

Again, obvious speculation on my part.

To take the debate out of the universe, I can see merit in both sides of the argument over the appearance, the principle ones appearing to be "aliens' standards of attractiveness are different from humans'" and "the design is lacking and/or unappealing".  On the one hand, yes, alien standards are indeed bound to be very different, and perhaps the depicted female is extremely attractive to her male fellows.  Who knows!  And yes, the idea that a more 'realistic' approach to the design is being taken, given the current examples of the asari, quarians, and drell, is heartening on some level.

But for the very same reason, that being those three species, it strikes me as odd that Bioware would do a complete about-face from past alien designs and follow this route.  After all, the asari are obviously intended to appeal to human players, of that I feel there is no question.  Thane - and therefore the drell species, one assumes - was stated as to having been designed to appear alien, yet still be attractive to players, given his role as a potential love interest.  Even the quarians, suited as they are, are very much depicted in line with human standards of attractiveness, as a large measure of Tali's fan support (even before ME2 was released) can attest.

Even the species who are not necessarily sexualized and highlighted as potential love interests, males turians in the time of ME1 being a prime example, were designed in such a way to be aesthetically appealing to the players.  'Cool' or 'interesting' as opposed to 'attractive,' if you will.  I think that can be said of just about any species in the Mass Effect universe, including the elcor or hanar.  Their design is likely not intended to appeal in an sexual sense, and yet players find their physical appearance compelling, nonetheless.

If I may take this in a more personal, informal direction, I think that the fringe is a very cool feature of the turian design in the males that we had been shown up until the release of Evolution.  And to somewhat spite my earlier comments (was making the effort to be open-minded), the female in the comic is actually not all that different from the males.  She is still quite robust, and besides the fringe the changes to her overall features are minor at best.  Now, some people are in favour of little sexual dimorphism, for the charm of a more realistic design.  Fair enough, I can relate on some level.  However, I have to agree that the thought that this turian female is a male with his fringe cut off, as has been stated earlier in the thread, has definitely crossed my mind.

To me, such a design choice is not very compelling, and yes, comes across as lazy.  Sure, they should not necessarily have to comply with human standards of attractiveness.  For example, I am against the idea of breasts, lips, and so forth on them, because that would strike me as distinctly un-turian, not to mention unrealistic.  But that doesn't mean the definition of turian femininity has to come across as even more masculine, to us, than the design of the male turians themselves.  Furthermore, I strongly suspect that there will not be a female turian romance option in ME3, so attractiveness to the player is likely not a major concern, and rightly so in that case.  But even so, I would hope they might consider that the design may not only contradict some of the canon, but also seems bizarre, given what has been implied and demonstrated in the past.

Apologies for the rant.


P.S.  Something else occurs to me, this levelled at Dark Horse:  Do you think it might be possible that they were trying to make the female turians more attractive to players?  Smoother features, for one, and more shapely hips, for another.  But also, perhaps they thought the fringe was unattractive to players, because it was so alien?  I mean, baldness strikes me a being more akin to humans than the fringe does.  Maybe they were hoping for a 'Jack'-vibe?

Weird thought, I know, but it struck me as kind of funny.

Modifié par Ride2Ruin25, 21 janvier 2011 - 03:36 .

[Nerevar-as]

ShadyKat wrote...

Yes they do have boobs. But they are also much larger then the males from what I know. At least they still look like the same species.

First time they showed a female (AvP: Deadliest of the Species) we knew it was a female when a character said aloud. Which made sense, as they look reptilian. BTW, who´s the artist? 
Here  in ME, while it´s not hard SF, it takes itself seriously enough (besides ME2 squad clothing) as to make non mammal mammaries quite jarring.

[Nerevar-as]

Ride2Ruin25 wrote...

P.S.  Something else occurs to me, this levelled at Dark Horse:  Do you think it might be possible that they were trying to make the female turians more attractive to players?  Smoother features, for one, and more shapely hips, for another.  But also, perhaps they thought the fringe was unattractive to players, because it was so alien?  I mean, baldness strikes me a being more akin to humans than the fringe does.  Maybe they were hoping for a 'Jack'-vibe?

Weird thought, I know, but it struck me as kind of funny.

Interesting point. I think you should ask BW however. I´d be surprised if the design wasn´t theirs. Also consider that Omar Francia´s art usually doesn´t  do justice to the game designs.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:12 .

[JuicElawl]

greed89 wrote...



Is it weird i find that really atractive?

just make sure you're on top, because if she gets on top of you, i think you're probably crushed to death under her weight.

[Ride2Ruin25]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Ride2Ruin25 wrote...

P.S.  Something else occurs to me, this levelled at Dark Horse:  Do you think it might be possible that they were trying to make the female turians more attractive to players?  Smoother features, for one, and more shapely hips, for another.  But also, perhaps they thought the fringe was unattractive to players, because it was so alien?  I mean, baldness strikes me a being more akin to humans than the fringe does.  Maybe they were hoping for a 'Jack'-vibe?

Weird thought, I know, but it struck me as kind of funny.

Interesting point. I think you should ask BW however. I´d be surprised if the design wasn´t theirs. Also consider that Omar Francia´s art doesn´t usually justice to the game designs.

Absolutely true.  The last time I considered any of the ME stuff from Dark Horse to be decent was Redemption, and even that was pretty shaky.

Well, having said all that, I sincerely hope that the actual design from Bioware (if there is one, of course) will be dissimilar from the one in Evolution.  I have more that enough respect for them to put my faith in that hope several times over. 

But we'll see, for better or worse.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

GodWood wrote...

You can't say that with a Kelly avatar!

I must say, this reply is awesome.
Those who think that the female turian is a deformed male are wrong because she is referred to as a 'she.'
But my personal opinion is that it is unlikely that the comic drew female turians without a fringe as a universal fact. There is evidence that points towards female turians having a fringe, Garrus' romance scene and the bachelor party on Illium. It would be bad if the comic overlooked these references and had female turians without fringes.

However, remember this is only ONE turian female. It is very likely (as I have just put on the Garrus thread) that she isn't representative of all turian females, but rather, that she had a battle wound that sliced off her fringe. Like how Mordin lost his horn.

[greed89]

JuicElawl wrote...

greed89 wrote...



Is it weird i find that really atractive?

just make sure you're on top, because if she gets on top of you, i think you're probably crushed to death under her weight.

i think it'd be worth it...

[Zada2011]

I can see the idea of not making the turian female too sexually dimorphic from the males however I think what Dark Horse did here goes against things already said in game. Turian females are were all mentioned to have fringes multiple times. Dark Horse has made design mistakes in comics before, one being that Feron's middle and ring fingers are not "fused" but separate. I'm pretty sure that whatever bioware will be a lot better than what Dark Horse put together here.

[pharos_gryphon]

As far as I'm aware they've only shown one or two female Turians in the comic, correct? It's still entirely possible I should think that 'fringe' varies from case to case, making the one shown on page 1 the equivalent of a bald woman. We see differences in Quarians based on suit color, differences in Asari based on skin tone and tattoos... this just may well be how they show difference between various Turians in the game, having three or four fringe head models rather than just one?



Personally, I think it's an interesting way to go with the art direction for them. On the one side it's bucking the trend of making an overly sexualized female version, but on the other it almost feels like it was simply a way to do as little work as possible modding the existing Turian model into a female version. From mine own reasoning, I had imagined something in between. Perhaps less or no fringe along the scalp such as the males have, but more around the eyes and sides similar to a feathered mask look. *shrugs*

[lovgreno]

ZachForrest wrote...

I'd like to see an attractive female Turian. Partly because it'd be an impressive bit of design and partly because I reckon Garrus is a handsome devil, so it's only fair.

Also because i'm very shallow

You sir or madam, tell a truth I must fully agree with. Take Garrus for example, he is handsome, but not in a human way. I can't realy say how BW did it but fact remains that Vakarian and many other turian males are handsome. I am sure they can make a female turian beautifull in a alien way too.

[Homey C-Dawg]

adam_grif wrote...

packardbell wrote...

What the heck.. there's no femininity to distinguish that turian as a female none whatsoever. Just looks like a male turian with a war injury. Either dark horse were ordered to act on their imagination or this is the description Bioware gave them.. which depresses the hell out of me.

{fishpic snip}

What the heck... there's no femininity to distinguish that Maylandia as a female none whatsoever. Just looks like a male Maylandia.

{duckpic snip}

What the heck... there's no femininity to dinstinguish that duck as a female non whatsoever. Just looks like a male duck with a dye job.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 21 janvier 2011 - 12:37 .

[Cypher0020]

that's... wow... I expected more feminite fringe... and.... no mandiables? Uhh.... I suppose I could get used to the art....



I can see why some formites here see Garrus attractive compared to the females.....

[Freakaz0idx]

oh god, kill it with fire!

[lovgreno]

AwesomeName wrote...

Is everyone saying the same thing when they use the word "fringe"?  Fringe just means "outermost edge"... That turian has a "fringe" - an edge to her forehead - it just doesn't end with extra crest "spikes".  She lacks a lot of the spikes that males have, but she has a fringe nonetheless.  Just a bit of semantics there, so not necessarily a big deal, I guess *shrugs*... 

Okay, that is true and a good observation.

I will just admit that I think big and spectacular head fringes, spikes, whatever we call them looks awesome. Therefore I want to see them even bigger on female turians. Yes, I am shallow like that.