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[FOZ289]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

It would also be pretty funny if female krogans are like the hottest in the galaxy... That would kinda make more sense of Garrus' comment, since female turians are quite masculine looking, and are perhaps the opposite of what he finds attractive (then again he can find femshep attractive, so who knows)

BioWare shouldn't pull a Myrrah:
Seriously. How did that happen?

I thought it was implied that she used to be human, and is kind of a horribly blatant hint as to how Locust were created.

It's not about them not being "feminized" because turians are some kind of space lizardbirdcatpeople.  It's that they just look like somebody chopped off the fringe.  The facial structure is identical, they're the same height, and even IF they're supposed to resemble birds, we don't have any reason to believe Turians lay eggs, as far as we know that's only Salarians, so looking remotely like birds doesn't mean they should just have identical characteristics of Earth birds.  How can you say it's wrong to apply human standards of gender to them but immediately turn around and apply Earth animal standards of gender to them?

[JuicElawl]

ReiSilver wrote...

I'm still crossing my fingers for a female krogan that's twice the size of the males. and by twice the size I mean taller, bulkier; like reptile genders

err, it depends on the reptile, i think. off the top of my head, i know crocodile males are way bigger than the females.

still, it would be amusing, though. big momma krogan dragging wrex back home for dinner.

Modifié par JuicElawl, 20 janvier 2011 - 01:57 .

[Dean_the_Young]

So Turian females have smaller fringes, and this one has little. Compare Saren to, say, Garrus, and there was a big difference there as well.



Moreover, this is a comic book adaptation, and the differences between the ME game depictions and comic book adaptations for characters and races are legion, so even if you don't like the comic book art, it doesn't mean that the comic book art is the end-all standard.



So what's the particular problem? It doesn't fit what some people expected it to be?





Overall, I like this depiction. Different species, different cues.

[JuicElawl]

what about the flip side? if the turian women had boobs and fringe, why couldn't the turian men have boobs and fringe too? would anyone object to this?

[Fredvdp]

With most animals males look better than females, humans being an exception. This could be true for aliens as well. If we ever see other female aliens, like salarians or krogan, I hope they also look ugly.

[JuicElawl]

Fredvdp wrote...

With most animals males look better than females, humans being an exception.

it's all in the eye of the beholder, buddy. i don't think human females look better than human males, they just care about their appearance way more.

although it is true that human males don't have giant feather plumage or colorful skin color to court a woman; i guess we just have to attract our women by showing off our cars and houses and senses of humor or something.

[ZachForrest]

Fredvdp wrote...

With most animals males look better than females, humans being an exception. This could be true for aliens as well. If we ever see other female aliens, like salarians or krogan, I hope they also look ugly.

if by 'most' you mean 'few'. Given that like 90% of animals are invertebrates. I don't think a jellyfish, coral, starfish, earthworm etc care what their mate looks like.

[JuicElawl]

ZachForrest wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

With most animals males look better than females, humans being an exception. This could be true for aliens as well. If we ever see other female aliens, like salarians or krogan, I hope they also look ugly.

if by 'most' you mean 'few'. Given that like 90% of animals are invertebrates. I don't think a jellyfish, coral, starfish, earthworm etc care what their mate looks like.

hey buddy, im sure a hanar cares about what his or her mate looks like. dont go there.

[Fredvdp]

ZachForrest wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

With most animals males look better than females, humans being an exception. This could be true for aliens as well. If we ever see other female aliens, like salarians or krogan, I hope they also look ugly.

if by 'most' you mean 'few'. Given that like 90% of animals are invertebrates. I don't think a jellyfish, coral, starfish, earthworm etc care what their mate looks like.

Ok, you've got a point there. Male jellyfish are hot, though.

[GodWood]

Actually male hanar and female hanar are virtually identicle.

That we know.

[ZachForrest]

Fredvdp wrote...

ZachForrest wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

With most animals males look better than females, humans being an exception. This could be true for aliens as well. If we ever see other female aliens, like salarians or krogan, I hope they also look ugly.

if by 'most' you mean 'few'. Given that like 90% of animals are invertebrates. I don't think a jellyfish, coral, starfish, earthworm etc care what their mate looks like.

Ok, you've got a point there. Male jellyfish are hot, though.

yeah obviously i'm not including Hanar in this. They're honorary vertebrates in my book

Modifié par ZachForrest, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:26 .

[STG]

JuicElawl wrote...
hey buddy, im sure a hanar cares about what his or her mate looks like. dont go there.

Why can't hanar care about their mates in an orderly and lawful manner?

[JuicElawl]

STG wrote...

JuicElawl wrote...
hey buddy, im sure a hanar cares about what his or her mate looks like. dont go there.

Why can't hanar care about their mates in an orderly and lawful manner?

thane has killed people who said his hanar master's wife  looked just like the husband.

[ZachForrest]

if you want a particularly disgusting example of a species exhibiting low sexual diamorphism, female Hyenas have a clitoris that's fairly indistinguishable to the males penis, and the labia basically look the same as the testicles.



Lovely.

[Eradyn]

Small fringe is fine, I think. Problem is that she looks like mange, or a hacksaw, ate her entire fringe off. And the whole lacking plates along her neck and skull. What, radiation's not a problem for females? Maybe she's a war hero who was once tortured by vorcha or something.



I would just like something that didn't unnecessarily retcon this facet of the ME universe. Not boobs. Not a human supermodel with a turian head plastered on. Just some plates along her neck and at least a small fringe over her skull.



I'm still chalking this one up to DH fail. Hoping BW will pull off a better-designed femTurian.



Also: Saying they're supposed to have avian characteristics doesn't make this "make sense". Sexual monomorphism (males and females are similar in appearance) is [also] an avian trait because not all avian species are equal. Sexual dimorphism in avians also varies from species to species by degree of dimorphism. Whether the female turians actually are meant to look like mange-eaten lizards or not, has nothing to do with earth avians (which vary from monomorphic to dimorphic anyway and can't be used to justify her appearance). Turians are alien and should reflect their own evolutionary path. And, at least I had hoped, should follow what has already been established as canon: fringed females and the evolutionary pressures brought about by Palaven and its heightened radiation pressuring the growth of plates and fringes in turians to help offset said radiation.



I'm going to sit here in the "wait and see" camp.

[STG]

JuicElawl wrote...

STG wrote...

Why can't hanar care about their mates in an orderly and lawful manner?

thane has killed people who said his hanar master's wife  looked just like the husband.

No cookies for you.

[didymos1120]

GodWood wrote...

Actually male hanar and female hanar are virtually identicle.
That we know.

Actually, we don't.  Reason being, we don't even know if hanar have more than one sex.

[didymos1120]

Eradyn wrote...

Small fringe is fine, I think. Problem is that she looks like mange, or a hacksaw, ate her entire fringe off. And the whole lacking plates along her neck and skull. What, radiation's not a problem for females?

Your mistake is in thinking that the head fringes and facial plates have a lot to do with the radiation resistance. They don't.   It's their thick, rough high-metal-content skin that is primarily responsible for that protection.  Look at a male turian's neck, and the back of their heads:



Allowing for the art-style diffence, it's exactly the same as with the females.  Thick, with suggestions of scales.

Also, plenty of other body parts are just as "unprotected" and lacking in large, segmented plating. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:57 .

[Eradyn]

The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic "exoskeleton" to protect themselves. Their reflective plate-like skin makes turians less susceptible to long-term, low-level radiation exposure, but they do not possess any sort of "natural armor". A turian's thick skin does not stop projectiles and directed energy bolts.

Source



It's not just thickened skin they have, it's also their exoskeleton/plate-like skin as well. There is differentiation between them in the codex that is reflected by the established male turian design as well as, to a degree, this female turian. Turians evolved the thickened carapaces/plates for a reason (to help reflect radiation) and not just because they thought it would look good. Not to mention, again, what we have from in-game dialogue.

I still stand by my description of her looking like she was eaten by mange and this all being the result of more DH-fail. The former is an opinion, the latter is a hope.

Like I said: I'm in the "Wait and See" camp. If BW ultimately goes for this being the across-the-board look for turian females, then that's what they go for. Granted, there are variations of design even amongst male turians, so perhaps this is just what one variation of a female turian looks like. Or, again, it could just be DH-fail (regrettably common with the ME comics, at least). I just don't really know.

EDIT: Plates/carapace/whatever are not meant to be a cure-all armor.  They are there to help reflect radiation.  Its presence along the head and neck make sense.

Modifié par Eradyn, 20 janvier 2011 - 03:04 .

[Count Viceroy]

Turians look weird without the fringe. Do not want.

[GodWood]

Zomg







Chellick was a girl!

[packardbell]

adam_grif wrote...

Define "Femininity"? Do you mean "look like a female human looks"? Because there are a huge range of potential ways that sexual dimorphism can manifest. In many species, dogs/cats for instance, you usually can't even tell them apart without checking their sex organs.

I'm sure at a natural standpoint they look perfectly fine.. but their.. butch looks asides, just cutting away their fringe and giving them no other gender defining characteristics is still extremely lazy.