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[Addai]

Obviously that is true. We'll never know. As I said earlier, Loghain made a judgment call and it's up to the player to interpret facts that the writers have deliberately left vague.

[Glorfindel709]

A) I call Cailan the 'Golden Ponce' for a reason. I cannot stand him.



Looking at the size of the Horde, I honestly believe that it could not have been won *shrugs*

[JFarr74]

Just beat Origins with Loghain alive

[Persephone]

JFarr74 wrote...

Just beat Origins with Loghain alive

How did it go? :happy:

[JFarr74]

Persephone wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

Just beat Origins with Loghain alive

How did it go? :happy:

Good, but I have another question that's a bit off topic:

I just finished Dragon Age: Origins.  I romanced Morrigan, and even always had her ring after she gave it to me (she acknowledged that I had it when I was captured).  I even did the ritual with her and she called me "her love" during the Final Battle when all of the characters say there good-byes and good-lucks.  However, during the epilouge it acknowledged she was with child, but nothing about the ring.  It did what the forums said and gave her the mirror gift after the credits.  Will this fix the romance and give me the Morrigan Romance epilouge for Dragon Age Origins: Awakening?  

[Persephone]

JFarr74 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

Just beat Origins with Loghain alive

How did it go? :happy:

Good, but I have another question that's a bit off topic:

I just finished Dragon Age: Origins.  I romanced Morrigan, and even always had her ring after she gave it to me (she acknowledged that I had it when I was captured).  I even did the ritual with her and she called me "her love" during the Final Battle when all of the characters say there good-byes and good-lucks.  However, during the epilouge it acknowledged she was with child, but nothing about the ring.  It did what the forums said and gave her the mirror gift after the credits.  Will this fix the romance and give me the Morrigan Romance epilouge for Dragon Age Origins: Awakening?  

Oh, I'm the wrong person to ask there. Someone like Ejoslin would know. Ask this in the Morri thread. Lotsa great Morri experts there.

Modifié par Persephone, 21 février 2011 - 03:13 .

[JFarr74]

Does anybody know, and where is that thread?

Modifié par JFarr74, 21 février 2011 - 03:15 .

[LobselVith8]

JFarr74 wrote...

Does anybody know, and where is that thread?

In order for the ring epilogue to show up, you need to have spoken to Morrigan after the Dark Ritual took place. I also keep the ring in my inventory for Witch Hunt.

[antigravitycat]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

A) I call Cailan the 'Golden Ponce' for a reason. I cannot stand him.

Looking at the size of the Horde, I honestly believe that it could not have been won *shrugs*

Duncan agrees with Cailan (see battle scene Ostagar) that Loghain's tactic of flanking will work out well. And Duncan is never depicted as a fool, rather as a very able Warden Commander. So you can very much assume that the battle would have been a victory, otherwise Duncan would not have agreed. With Loghain pulling his troops away the winning tactic falls over and the battle is lost.

[JFarr74]

But doing what I did (read posts above), will I get the Morrigan epilogue in Awakening?

[Persephone]

antigravitycat wrote...

Glorfindel709 wrote...

A) I call Cailan the 'Golden Ponce' for a reason. I cannot stand him.

Looking at the size of the Horde, I honestly believe that it could not have been won *shrugs*

Duncan agrees with Cailan (see battle scene Ostagar) that Loghain's tactic of flanking will work out well. And Duncan is never depicted as a fool, rather as a very able Warden Commander. So you can very much assume that the battle would have been a victory, otherwise Duncan would not have agreed. With Loghain pulling his troops away the winning tactic falls over and the battle is lost.

Duncan, who recruited someone as inadequate as Ser Jory and isn't exactly the best of tacticians? And he usually pays lip service to Cailan, no matter what. The few times he DOES try to disagree with Cailan....oh well....

[antigravitycat]

Persephone wrote...

antigravitycat wrote...

Glorfindel709 wrote...

A) I call Cailan the 'Golden Ponce' for a reason. I cannot stand him.

Looking at the size of the Horde, I honestly believe that it could not have been won *shrugs*

Duncan agrees with Cailan (see battle scene Ostagar) that Loghain's tactic of flanking will work out well. And Duncan is never depicted as a fool, rather as a very able Warden Commander. So you can very much assume that the battle would have been a victory, otherwise Duncan would not have agreed. With Loghain pulling his troops away the winning tactic falls over and the battle is lost.

Duncan, who recruited someone as inadequate as Ser Jory and isn't exactly the best of tacticians? And he usually pays lip service to Cailan, no matter what. The few times he DOES try to disagree with Cailan....oh well....

Conscription of Ser Jory doesn't have to anything with this. Anyway. You are right though that Duncan disagrees with Cailan - who shares Loghain's view in this by the way - that the threat is no true blight. So it shows even more that Duncan is indeed not the fool you try to make of him, he at least sees the threat, but still he has confidence in the tactical plan. You can't prove the plan would not have worked out. From what the general picture shows, it looks very much like the battle would have been a victory.
Unlike Loghain, Cailan at least considered getting aid from other Wardens - those from Orlais that is. That means he was not as foolish to think the Darkspawn threat was nothing. But as we know that plan was sabotaged by Loghain too. So Loghain did his work well, in a way... lol.

[Persephone]

antigravitycat wrote...

Persephone wrote...

antigravitycat wrote...

Glorfindel709 wrote...

A) I call Cailan the 'Golden Ponce' for a reason. I cannot stand him.

Looking at the size of the Horde, I honestly believe that it could not have been won *shrugs*

Duncan agrees with Cailan (see battle scene Ostagar) that Loghain's tactic of flanking will work out well. And Duncan is never depicted as a fool, rather as a very able Warden Commander. So you can very much assume that the battle would have been a victory, otherwise Duncan would not have agreed. With Loghain pulling his troops away the winning tactic falls over and the battle is lost.

Duncan, who recruited someone as inadequate as Ser Jory and isn't exactly the best of tacticians? And he usually pays lip service to Cailan, no matter what. The few times he DOES try to disagree with Cailan....oh well....

Conscription of Ser Jory doesn't have to anything with this. Anyway. You are right though that Duncan disagrees with Cailan - who shares Loghain's view in this by the way - that the threat is no true blight. So it shows even more that Duncan is indeed not the fool you try to make of him, he at least sees the threat, but still he has confidence in the tactical plan. You can't prove the plan would not have worked out. From what the general picture shows, it looks very much like the battle would have been a victory.
Unlike Loghain, Cailan at least considered getting aid from other Wardens - those from Orlais that is. That means he was not as foolish to think the Darkspawn threat was nothing. But as we know that plan was sabotaged by Loghain too. So Loghain did his work well, in a way... lol.

Duncan believing this is a Blight is nothing special. The fact that most disagree with him because of the damn secrecy doesn't improve the situation. The general picture with A MUCH BIGGER HORDE (Cailan's shocked look, the scared soldier, the endless stream of darkspawn...) actually suggests a battle already lost. Yes, Orlesian Wardens with 4 legions of chevaliers, WONDERFUL idea by the fool who wants to marry the Orlesian Empress. Cailan was a glory hound who whined about there not being any archdemon sightings....HELLO?

[USArmyParatrooper]

Persephone wrote...

Duncan believing this is a Blight is nothing special. The fact that most disagree with him because of the damn secrecy doesn't improve the situation. The general picture with A MUCH BIGGER HORDE (Cailan's shocked look, the scared soldier, the endless stream of darkspawn...) actually suggests a battle already lost. Yes, Orlesian Wardens with 4 legions of chevaliers, WONDERFUL idea by the fool who wants to marry the Orlesian Empress. Cailan was a glory hound who whined about there not being any archdemon sightings....HELLO?

There is absolutely nothing that suggests Duncan was a fool. I seriously doubt the writers had any intention of portraying him as one, and they didn't.

A shocked look and a scared look isn't telling of anything at the genesis of an epic battle, especially one against monsters. What the outcome would have been if Loghain didn't cower is not definitive, and it's not unreasonable to conclude they would have won. There is also dialogue from characters that suggest they were winning when Loghain ducked out.

[Persephone]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Duncan believing this is a Blight is nothing special. The fact that most disagree with him because of the damn secrecy doesn't improve the situation. The general picture with A MUCH BIGGER HORDE (Cailan's shocked look, the scared soldier, the endless stream of darkspawn...) actually suggests a battle already lost. Yes, Orlesian Wardens with 4 legions of chevaliers, WONDERFUL idea by the fool who wants to marry the Orlesian Empress. Cailan was a glory hound who whined about there not being any archdemon sightings....HELLO?

There is absolutely nothing that suggests Duncan was a fool. I seriously doubt the writers had any intention of portraying him as one, and they didn't.

A shocked look and a scared look isn't telling of anything at the genesis of an epic battle, especially one against monsters. What the outcome would have been if Loghain didn't cower is not definitive, and it's not unreasonable to conclude they would have won. There is also dialogue from characters that suggest they were winning when Loghain ducked out.

I did not call him a fool. I merely know him from The Calling and do not think there is enough in the game to judge his skills as a commander. I'll say one thing for him though: He is bloody ruthless.

To me the situation at Ostagar is pretty clear. I do recall most people saying that Cailan should listen to Loghain/the teyrn, rather than the other way round.

[JFarr74]

Can someone please answer my questions?!

[Addai]

JFarr74 wrote...

Can someone please answer my questions?!

The Morrigan thread is here.  Morrigan's romance is pretty buggy and it sounds like your ending bugged out to where she was no longer set at Love.  The Love epilogue mentions the Warden feeling her regret one night through the ring.  The Morrigan Restoration Patch fixes a lot of problems with her romance including this one.

[Addai]

antigravitycat wrote...

Glorfindel709 wrote...

A) I call Cailan the 'Golden Ponce' for a reason. I cannot stand him.

Looking at the size of the Horde, I honestly believe that it could not have been won *shrugs*

Duncan agrees with Cailan (see battle scene Ostagar) that Loghain's tactic of flanking will work out well. And Duncan is never depicted as a fool, rather as a very able Warden Commander. So you can very much assume that the battle would have been a victory, otherwise Duncan would not have agreed. With Loghain pulling his troops away the winning tactic falls over and the battle is lost.

Actually if you ask Duncan what he wants Cailan to do, he says he wants to wait for the Orlesians.  He is not very confident about the battle and is almost as nervous about Cailan's overconfidence as Loghain is, though not as vocal about it.

Modifié par Addai67, 21 février 2011 - 05:38 .

[HolyAvenger]

In fact you call Cailan a fool right to Duncan's face and he won't really object.

[JFarr74]

Addai67 wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

Can someone please answer my questions?!

The Morrigan thread is here.  Morrigan's romance is pretty buggy and it sounds like your ending bugged out to where she was no longer set at Love.  The Love epilogue mentions the Warden feeling her regret one night through the ring.  The Morrigan Restoration Patch fixes a lot of problems with her romance including this one.

Thanks!

[Curlain]

JFarr74 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

Just beat Origins with Loghain alive

How did it go? :happy:

Good, but I have another question that's a bit off topic:

I just finished Dragon Age: Origins.  I romanced Morrigan, and even always had her ring after she gave it to me (she acknowledged that I had it when I was captured).  I even did the ritual with her and she called me "her love" during the Final Battle when all of the characters say there good-byes and good-lucks.  However, during the epilouge it acknowledged she was with child, but nothing about the ring.  It did what the forums said and gave her the mirror gift after the credits.  Will this fix the romance and give me the Morrigan Romance epilouge for Dragon Age Origins: Awakening?  

Hmm, sounds like a bug, I remember the epilogue in Origins saying something about the Warden (if they romanced her that is) being able to feel deep regret at times through the ring, or something similar

[antigravitycat]

Addai67 wrote...

antigravitycat wrote...

Glorfindel709 wrote...

A) I call Cailan the 'Golden Ponce' for a reason. I cannot stand him.

Looking at the size of the Horde, I honestly believe that it could not have been won *shrugs*

Duncan agrees with Cailan (see battle scene Ostagar) that Loghain's tactic of flanking will work out well. And Duncan is never depicted as a fool, rather as a very able Warden Commander. So you can very much assume that the battle would have been a victory, otherwise Duncan would not have agreed. With Loghain pulling his troops away the winning tactic falls over and the battle is lost.

Actually if you ask Duncan what he wants Cailan to do, he says he wants to wait for the Orlesians.  He is not very confident about the battle and is almost as nervous about Cailan's overconfidence as Loghain is, though not as vocal about it.

Yes, Duncan says that when you ask him, I know. But didn't you have the impression that he thought the plan will work anyway? Although he seems nervous and all, but that's natural before a battle. Still, I got the impression that Duncan believes they can win, with Loghain's tactic at least.

I always wonder what Duncan thinks in the scene where he looks up to the Tower of Ishal, seeing the fire has been lit, but still there is no Loghain charging the flanks.

[Glorfindel709]

Ostagar was a doomed battle, every man on the field knew that when the *endless* Darkspawn horde came running out of the Kocari Wilds. A flanking manuever like the one Loghain planned requires him to get behind the enemy and crush them between the hammer of Loghains forces and the anvil that was supposed to be the Golden Ponces' forces at Ostagar. But when the line of the horde extends endlessly out of the forest, you cant exactly get behind them. They have no mounts so they couldnt even do a line cavalry charge to sweep through the line.



And of course Duncan and the Golden Ponce act all confident at the start of the battle, they're surrounded by their troops and have to keep morale up, otherwise they'll quit the field and disappear in a full scale desertion. Not to mention the GPs' overconfidence shining through "The Blight ends here!!!! *Oh **** face* A-archers!"

[USArmyParatrooper]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

Ostagar was a doomed battle, every man on the field knew that when the *endless* Darkspawn horde came running out of the Kocari Wilds. A flanking manuever like the one Loghain planned requires him to get behind the enemy and crush them between the hammer of Loghains forces and the anvil that was supposed to be the Golden Ponces' forces at Ostagar. But when the line of the horde extends endlessly out of the forest, you cant exactly get behind them. They have no mounts so they couldnt even do a line cavalry charge to sweep through the line.

And of course Duncan and the Golden Ponce act all confident at the start of the battle, they're surrounded by their troops and have to keep morale up, otherwise they'll quit the field and disappear in a full scale desertion. Not to mention the GPs' overconfidence shining through "The Blight ends here!!!! *Oh **** face* A-archers!"

As far as Ostagar being a doomed battle, at least, that's how you see it in your play throughs. What would have happened if Loghain didn't deceive the king is purely speculative, as it has never been defined.

We can talk all day about what would have happened based on what we saw. But the truth is there is no truth, because the whole thing is fiction. So the only thing we're left with is the writers' intent, and clearly they wanted to leave what would have happened as a mystery. Showing "endless" darkspawn in the cut scene might have been a way to simply portray that there was more than expected. Or it could have been for the sole purpose of creating a dramatic, cinimatic effect. But Gaider basically said he's leaving the merits of Loghain's assessment up to the player.

[LobselVith8]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

As far as Ostagar being a doomed battle, at least, that's how you see it in your play throughs. What would have happened if Loghain didn't deceive the king is purely speculative, as it has never been defined.

We can talk all day about what would have happened based on what we saw. But the truth is there is no truth, because the whole thing is fiction. So the only thing we're left with is the writers' intent, and clearly they wanted to leave what would have happened as a mystery. Showing "endless" darkspawn in the cut scene might have been a way to simply portray that there was more than expected. Or it could have been for the sole purpose of creating a dramatic, cinimatic effect. But Gaider basically said he's leaving the merits of Loghain's assessment up to the player.

Doesn't help that the Chantry permitted only seven mages to battle the darkspawn at Ostagar. Had more mages been avaliable, the battle may have turned out differently (since mages turned the tide in the New Exalted Marches).

Modifié par LobselVith8, 21 février 2011 - 05:09 .