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[Addai]

jvee wrote...
Cultural identities and national identities so often become intertwined, it is difficult to distinguish between the two.  What makes a Fereldan?  Is it defined by the political borders established by the government?  Or is it more of a cultural identity that can potentially exclude even those inhabiting the borders?  I don't think there is enough evidence to say for certain.  And without that knowledge it is difficult to establish that a spirit of nationalism exists in an era that has historically been without it.

I think there is a good bit of canon evidence of both a cultural and national Fereldan identity.  Example- when bringing up slavery in the Landsmeet, you say "you sold Fereldan citizens into slavery", and Bann Sighard responds "there is no slavery in Ferelden."  This is an example of national identity covering elves as well as human natives, and of the nobility distinguishing the legal system in Ferelden from other nations.

Other nations also distinguish Ferelden as having a particular identity.  Usually by looking down their noses, but nonetheless.

[Amazon Queen]

Addai67 wrote...

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

And you both maintain that Fereldans would not mind being absorbed by Orlais?

Before you respond, please indicate if you've read the game novels.  I'm finding that it's a waste of time to discuss such topics if people haven't.

This, of course, is based on the premise that being absorbed by Orlais is the only possble outcome of a relationship between Cailan and the Orlesian hottie.

What other possible inducement is there for Celene to make such a match?

And this is also a good argument IMO
An alliance with Orlais for the purposes of defeating the Darkspawn might have been swingable with most of the Bannorn and nobility despite most of them being old warhorses who served in the war against Orlais but a marriege . To me that suggests an Orlesian price for the alliance.

[JFarr74]

I let him live...I felt bad for Loghain...

[PsychoWARD23]

I let Alistair kill him. The Redeemer ending is the "better" ending, but that's not what I would have done in real life, so Loghain bites the dust.


No amount of charisma can make up for his tragic mistakes/lies/faults.

Modifié par PsychoWARD23, 24 février 2011 - 12:25 .

[Amazon Queen]

I always have great difficulty deciding what to do

I think Loghain should live. Make him do something useful but I hate losing Alastair, my oldest comrade. I always end up somewhat dissatisfied whichever I choose

[JFarr74]

Loghain was pretty BA too...

[TEWR]

I killed him in my first playthrough, only because I didn't know he could live and Alistair and Anora would still marry. I didn't know about the hardening options at the time.



afterwards I let him live. Death is too easy for his crimes, and while I don't see being a GW as a punishment, more a blessing really, it is going to give him a slow death. But at least he can hopefully make up for all the bad things he's done. Even if he had the best intentions for Ferelden in mind, his paranoia at everyone would've destroyed the very nation he was trying so hard to protect, darkspawn or no.

[JFarr74]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I killed him in my first playthrough, only because I didn't know he could live and Alistair and Anora would still marry. I didn't know about the hardening options at the time.

afterwards I let him live. Death is too easy for his crimes, and while I don't see being a GW as a punishment, more a blessing really, it is going to give him a slow death. But at least he can hopefully make up for all the bad things he's done. Even if he had the best intentions for Ferelden in mind, his paranoia at everyone would've destroyed the very nation he was trying so hard to protect, darkspawn or no.

I agree:wizard:

[Joy Divison]

I never did understand the argument "death is too easy." Jokes about public speaking being our number 1 fear aside, humanity has consistently demonstrated the urge to live is almost as powerful force as gravity.

[Sabariel]

Loghain looked at me funny so I kill him every time

[Alex Kershaw]

He deserves to die

[Persephone]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

He deserves to die

Because??? What does killing him accomplish?

[Obadiah]

By Loghain's own standards, he deserves to be executed.

[TEWR]

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

He deserves to die

Because??? What does killing him accomplish?

it accomplishes this: you've earned +3 ****** points!

[JFarr74]

I just let him live. I'm actually glad I did. Alistair is married to Anora, and everyone lives!

[Teahouse Fox]

I never let him live until after I read the novels.

The parallels between Loghain/Maric and the Warden/Alistair were so pronounced, I wanted to see what made the character tick. There's not much different between his character and the way I played my Warden.

This guy goes from 'I hate you!' to "here, let me swear lifelong allegiance and build your army and put you on the throne, oh and here... marry my gf, too" to "Gonna murder your kids now. Hope you don't roll over in your grave."

I let him live just so I could her his dialog and wind out what the justifications were.

[JFarr74]

He seems like a cool guy, lol? Lol remember guys?

[Erev Lace]

I never hesitated. From my character's point of view, Loghain deserved no less than the same he had inflicted on many people: death. And in a public setting, where all would know his crimes. I did find his statement to Anora touching (the way he said, hush, Anora, it's over, tugged at my heart) but did not change the decision that had been made ... pretty much right after Ostagar.

Modifié par Erev Lace, 28 février 2011 - 07:28 .

[Face of Evil]

JFarr74 wrote...

I just let him live. I'm actually glad I did. Alistair is married to Anora, and everyone lives!

Yeah, that's great. Alistair gets to take a throne he never wanted and marry a woman who doesn't love him and will at best begrudgingly tolerate him. Plus, she reminds him of her dear old father, the man who murdered the closest thing Alistair has ever had to a father figure.

Lucky guy, that Alistair. 

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...
He deserves to die

Because??? What does killing him accomplish?

Justice.

This.

It's a pity that the game didn't allow me to pick up his severed head afterwards and shout "BEHOLD THE HEAD OF A TRAITOR!" Ah well.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 28 février 2011 - 08:31 .

[metalcraze33]

depends on the character you're playing, my mage let him live because he hated Alistair
My cousland killed him because she thought he helped Howe.

[Addai]

Face of Evil wrote...
It's a pity that the game didn't allow me to pick up his severed head afterwards and shout "BEHOLD THE HEAD OF A TRAITOR!" Ah well.

As long as there's also the option to let him live and say "behold a patriot."  *shrug*

The truth is in the middle and far more interesting than the extremes, IMO.

Modifié par Addai67, 28 février 2011 - 06:16 .

[JFarr74]

Can we stop acting like this is a real life sitaution...it's a freaking video game! Why are we getting all political and taking text from the game?

Modifié par JFarr74, 28 février 2011 - 06:36 .

[Persephone]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...
He deserves to die

Because??? What does killing him accomplish?

Justice.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...
It's a pity that the game didn't allow me to pick up his severed head afterwards and shout "BEHOLD THE HEAD OF A TRAITOR!" Ah well.

As long as there's also the option to let him live and say "behold a patriot."  *shrug*

The truth is in the middle and far more interesting than the extremes, IMO.

This.

Extremes have only ever lead to tragedy and strife. As for such bloodlust.....I find it to be abhorrent. So much for The "Hero" of Ferelden. Butcher, more like.