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[GRX Dragon]

Before I ever allowed Loghain to live, I always felt he was a traitor to leave as he did in the beginning. Then suddenly, I decided to spare him once, and learned everything I could about him without meta-gaming for the information; ultimately, I came to the conclusion that Loghain was a smart and strong man that is largely misunderstood.

My suggestion is at least letting him live once, so you can get to know his reasonings.

[JFarr74]

GRX Dragon wrote...

Before I ever allowed Loghain to live, I always felt he was a traitor to leave as he did in the beginning. Then suddenly, I decided to spare him once, and learned everything I could about him without meta-gaming for the information; ultimately, I came to the conclusion that Loghain was a smart and strong man that is largely misunderstood.

My suggestion is at least letting him live once, so you can get to know his reasonings.

I agree 

[danerman]

My feeling is that with a character that wants the best for Ferelden you must kill Loghain.  This has nothing to do with what Loghain has done, I personally feel he should be able to redeem himself and become a Grey Warden. However, that means that Anora will be queen at the very least ruling alongside Alistair. I cannot allow that to happen. She's self serving and would make a terrible queen. She has already been a terrible queen. She double crosses you for her own interests every time and I feel she'd do the same to Ferelden.  I feel it is similar to Duncan killing Sir Jory. My normal course of action is for the main character to kill him and feel bad about doing what has to be done. Alistair is then made solo king. Another course is to save Loghain and then make Alistair king in which case he is still executed.

Modifié par danerman, 08 mars 2011 - 03:12 .

[JFarr74]

Is he even in Dragon Age 2 or is any reference made about him?

[gethspy]

In the end (unless Alisair marries Anora) the choice comes down to
Alistair or Loghain. I almost always choose Alistair

[errant_knight]

GRX Dragon wrote...

Before I ever allowed Loghain to live, I always felt he was a traitor to leave as he did in the beginning. Then suddenly, I decided to spare him once, and learned everything I could about him without meta-gaming for the information; ultimately, I came to the conclusion that Loghain was a smart and strong man that is largely misunderstood.

My suggestion is at least letting him live once, so you can get to know his reasonings.

I just can't. I agree with Alistair too much to do so. I did read all his dialogue in the toolset, though. I can accept that he believed he was doing the right thing, but that doesn't absolve him in my mind. You can be a well-meaning traitor and still be a traitor. I can't give him the honor of becoming a Grey Warden or anything other than a traitor's death. I know others feel differently. Vehemently.

[JFarr74]

Is there anything involving him in Dragon Age 2?

[nos_astra]

JFarr74 wrote...
Is there anything involving him in Dragon Age 2?

No, he is mentioned as a traitor, even in my playthrough where he should have been redeemed, since he was the one who killed the AD. I assume, Loghain's part in this story is over.

Modifié par klarabella, 25 mars 2011 - 11:17 .

[JFarr74]

klarabella wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...
Is there anything involving him in Dragon Age 2?

No, he is mentioned as a traitor, even in my playthrough where he should have been redeemed, since he was the one who killed the AD. I assume, Loghain's part in this story is over.

Aw man!

[8T8]

He deserves death for what he did, he betrayed his king and countrymen leaveing them all to die.
Its not a case of "oh but he is a patriot and thought this and that" the guy is a traitor.

[Frolk]

I usually kill Loghain because I want to keep Alistair, but if that wasn't an issue, I'd spare him, both for moral and practical reasons.

The moral reason is that I feel it's wrong to kill someone when they aren't posing a direct threat to you or others. Loghain stopped being a threat the moment I defeated him at the Landsmeet. Justice still demands that he be punished for his crimes (and I don't think the Joining counts as a punishment), but there are more important principles at stake.

[TEWR]

If you let Loghain live, and Alistair is king and you bring Aveline along to meet Alistair, he laments on how Loghain is still alive. but other than that mention and the Varric mention in the very beginning, there is no mentioning of Loghain

I wonder if we'll see him in DA3, which I'm almost 100% certain will take place in or around Orlais due to Bodahn and Sandal going there. hmmmm....

[TEWR]

danerman wrote...

My feeling is that with a character that wants the best for Ferelden you must kill Loghain.  This has nothing to do with what Loghain has done, I personally feel he should be able to redeem himself and become a Grey Warden. However, that means that Anora will be queen at the very least ruling alongside Alistair. I cannot allow that to happen. She's self serving and would make a terrible queen. She has already been a terrible queen. She double crosses you for her own interests every time and I feel she'd do the same to Ferelden.  I feel it is similar to Duncan killing Sir Jory. My normal course of action is for the main character to kill him and feel bad about doing what has to be done. Alistair is then made solo king. Another course is to save Loghain and then make Alistair king in which case he is still executed.

1) A black elf makes me laugh. I don't know why.
2) Anora only ends up betraying you if you admit to Cauthrien you're rescuing her. Other than that she's never once betrayed you or ever will.
3)Isabella says in DA2 in banter with Aveline regarding how good Donnic is, and I quote, "shank your Jory?"
4) Anora's not a bad queen. Her and Alistair (who knows next to nothing about being a king) ruling together ultimately brings Ferelden to a prosperous age. She's actually a very good queen, and ultimately her father's daughter.

[JFarr74]

Is Anora mentioned at all in Dragon Age 2 either?

[TEWR]

not that I know of, though maybe if you made her sole ruler you'll meet her. I doubt anyone did that though and actually used that as an import file. Probably just one of those "Because I can do it, I'm going to do it." kind of things

[Addai]

Anora is mentioned (such as a refugee saying "Maker save our Queen Anora") but doesn't have a cameo.

[FenixFire]

It's intresting to hear his side of the story, so I'd definitely keep a save where you spare him to hear em out. Nevertheless, I always kill em off in my playthroughs. He pretty much tried to do that to you the entire game.

[DragonWarrior517]

I've played through DA:O twice now and I spared Loghain both times. The first time I lost Alistair because of it...he ran off to become a drunk so I happily took the throne in his place. The second time I hardened him, and he stayed around to marry Anora, but was thoroughly pissed at me.

I know most of you side with Alistair and will execute Loghain every time. IMO, I can't justify it. Loghain is not an evil person. Yes, he did some very bad things. Should he be given the chance to redeem himself? I believe he should. It could be said that he hated the Grey Wardens...what better punishment for him than to live out the remainder of his life as a Grey Warden? Even though he survived the Joining, the taint will consume him eventually. At least he has the chance to redeem himself by helping to rid the world of Darkspawn.

Some would say his crimes were too great to be given the chance at redemption. To them, I would say...what about Sten? He killed a whole family, including the innocent little children. Yet, if you accept him into your party, he is being given the chance at redemption. Why not Loghain? Don't be a hypocrite. Sten's crimes are just as bad. Just because his crimes did not directly affect you doesn't mean they are not just as despicable.

Besides, no one deserves to be executed in front of their own daughter. I thought that was pretty classless.

[JFarr74]

LobselVith8 wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

So if I do what I said I would do, will Alistair AND Loghain appear in Awakening? Will I also make up with Alistair and he WILL rule brilliantly with Anora?

Yes, they both will appear in Awakening. And yes, as long as you don't become Chancellor, they will rule brilliantly.

It's all been taken care of, friend!

[danerman]

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Modifié par danerman, 30 mars 2011 - 07:47 .

[JFarr74]

Where the hell is Anora in Dragon Age 2?

[TEWR]

she's not in the game JFarr. She's only mentioned by people

[KnightofPhoenix]

Actually ruling the country.

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually ruling the country.

Alistair is too. People in power are called away for many overseas political affairs. Meeting Alistair is just that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

That was tongue in cheek. Though a diplomatic visit to Nevarra would have been more useful.