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[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...
And that's why he never becomes solo king in my games. He either marries Anora or stays a Warden or falls in love with a cup.

Yeah I can't do the drunk ending. Me and Alistair are too close either as BFFs or lovers for me to do that to him.

Of course that doesn't stop my PC from having his heart ripped out his chest by sacrificing themselves.

I have done the Drunk ending twice. Once to see it. The second time to have a Drunkistair save for DA2. Never again though. Hurts too bloody much.

[Ryzaki]

Anora knows what's at stake. She also knows (if she's as intelligent as she claims) that Alistair's not the type to execute her. So instead of being smart and playing her cards right (hell if she can't keep the throne maybe she'll be sweet enough to Alistair to get him to fall for her or nice enough that he'll make her Chancellor and give her all the power) she tries to stab the warden in the back and fails spectacularly.



And if she does it to save her father who at that point has earned his death a dozen times over I feel no sympathy for her. She smiles in your face and *lies* to you.



That said nothing is funner than doing the exact same thing to her.

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...
I have done the Drunk ending twice. Once to see it. The second time to have a Drunkistair save for DA2. Never again though. Hurts too bloody much.

Indeed it does.



I'm just going to watch the drunkenstai cameo on youtube.

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Anora knows what's at stake. She also knows (if she's as intelligent as she claims) that Alistair's not the type to execute her. So instead of being smart and playing her cards right (hell if she can't keep the throne maybe she'll be sweet enough to Alistair to get him to fall for her or nice enough that he'll make her Chancellor and give her all the power) she tries to stab the warden in the back and fails spectacularly.

And if she does it to save her father who at that point has earned his death a dozen times over I feel no sympathy for her. She smiles in your face and *lies* to you.

That said nothing is funner than doing the exact same thing to her.

No, she doesn't know why the Wardens are necessary.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure, she'll manipulate Alistair who'll not only pick Eamon over her and who'll willingly be Eamon's puppet... Uh Huh....

And hypocrisy abounds. These are POLITICS, for Christ's sake!

[HolyAvenger]

Yeah I hated Anora for betraying me to Cauthrien in my canon playthrough. Because I was being nice, I reloaded, got arrested and allowed her to escape, but have been itching to pay her back for that since.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:35 .

[Persephone]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Yeah I hated Anora for betraying me to Cauthrien in my canon playthrough. Because I was being nice, I reloaded, got arrested and allowed her to escape, but have been itching to pay her back for that since.

She asked you to keep her identity a secret. You blabbed to Cauthrien.

[HolyAvenger]

I was RP'ing a nice, honest guy, so those dialogue choices made sense to me. I look forward to doing it again, killing Cauthrien and giving Anora and Loghain what for in the Landsmeet. Probably with my human-hating psycho City Elf. Plenty of motivation for revenge against Loghain there. Don't f*ck with the short girls who wear swords bigger than themselves.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:39 .

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Anora knows what's at stake. She also knows (if she's as intelligent as she claims) that Alistair's not the type to execute her. So instead of being smart and playing her cards right (hell if she can't keep the throne maybe she'll be sweet enough to Alistair to get him to fall for her or nice enough that he'll make her Chancellor and give her all the power) she tries to stab the warden in the back and fails spectacularly.

And if she does it to save her father who at that point has earned his death a dozen times over I feel no sympathy for her. She smiles in your face and *lies* to you.

That said nothing is funner than doing the exact same thing to her.

No, she doesn't know why the Wardens are necessary.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure, she'll manipulate Alistair who'll not only pick Eamon over her and who'll willingly be Eamon's puppet... Uh Huh....

And hypocrisy abounds. These are POLITICS, for Christ's sake!

Uh she knows at that point her father is allowing the blight to chew the lands up and spit them out. SHe doesn't *need* to know about the Warden's necessity. The Warden has several armies at his back to fight the blight. Her dad's army is stretched thin fighting a civil war. She can do the math.

Yet Alistair chooses the Warden over Eamon as well. So...uh huh. Alistair who if unhardened and she hasn't betrayed the party admires her leadership skills...uh huh. Horrible odds that. <_< Much better to cling toa throne when you'e already lost.

How is that hypocrisy? Saving her father isn't politics! Saving her throne is sure but not her father!

Ironically I have no problem with her stabbing the PC in the back for the throne. I have a problem with her doing it over her father. Who started the whole damn mess.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:39 .

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I have done the Drunk ending twice. Once to see it. The second time to have a Drunkistair save for DA2. Never again though. Hurts too bloody much.

Indeed it does.



I'm just going to watch the drunkenstai cameo on youtube.

Youtube isn't the same. Besides, I wanna know if my Hawke will be able to help him somehow. :happy:

[Face of Evil]

I don't put much stock in the "Eamon the Puppetmaster" theory. Eamon's a good man with not a lot of years left. What's he going to do — manipulate Alistair into ruling Ferelden justly and fairly?



OH MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Modifié par Face of Evil, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:42 .

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...


Youtube isn't the same. Besides, I wanna know if my Hawke will be able to help him somehow. :happy:

Nah my Hawke wouldn't care about some random drunk.

Though I wonder if you get a cameo from Alistair for a US wardnen? I hope you do.

[Lord_Anthonior]

I used to kill him for the desertion, should he have not deserted the field of battle then I would have forgive him for the other crimes even the hire hit with Zevran, but he commit treason by leaving the field of battle in a decietful way.



If he would have come up with a plan, or mention another strategy to the king at least to let it be known, then that would've been a strategy move, but leaving him without anyone knowing then that's treason and treason as far as I know is paid with the death penalty.



Anyway I don't have anything against Loghain just that betrayal is a serious matter in military and for the well of a country, so my warden executes Loghain and put Anora to the throne alone, maybe without her father's manipulations she could be a very good and clever Queen. As for alistair...meh..he can be out of the wardens, get drunk, man up in the future if he appears in more games or be executed, is not something I care about.

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Anora knows what's at stake. She also knows (if she's as intelligent as she claims) that Alistair's not the type to execute her. So instead of being smart and playing her cards right (hell if she can't keep the throne maybe she'll be sweet enough to Alistair to get him to fall for her or nice enough that he'll make her Chancellor and give her all the power) she tries to stab the warden in the back and fails spectacularly.

And if she does it to save her father who at that point has earned his death a dozen times over I feel no sympathy for her. She smiles in your face and *lies* to you.

That said nothing is funner than doing the exact same thing to her.

No, she doesn't know why the Wardens are necessary.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure, she'll manipulate Alistair who'll not only pick Eamon over her and who'll willingly be Eamon's puppet... Uh Huh....

And hypocrisy abounds. These are POLITICS, for Christ's sake!

Uh she knows at that point her father is allowing the blight to chew the lands up and spit them out. SHe doesn't *need* to know about the Warden's necessity. The Warden has several armies at his back to fight the blight. Her dad's army is stretched thin fighting a civil war. She can do the math.

Yet Alistair chooses the Warden over Eamon as well. So...uh huh. Alistair who if unhardened and she hasn't betrayed the party admires her leadership skills...uh huh. Horrible odds that. <_< Much better to cling toa throne when you'e already lost.

How is that hypocrisy? Saving her father isn't politics! Saving her throne is sure but not her father!

Ironically I have no problem with her stabbing the PC in the back for the throne. I have a problem with her doing it over her father. Who started the whole damn mess.

Choosing the Warden over Eamon sure is not the same.

I don't have a problem with her wanting to save her father who can be bloody useful.

And IMO Cailan's idiocy and the darkspawn started the whole mess.:innocent:

[Ryzaki]

How is it not? He can *hate* the warden and still choose them for Chancellor you realize yes?



I have a problem with it when she's willing to throw the cavlary to the dogs to do it.



Cailan may have started it but Loghain allowed it to grow into the much larger threat it became.

[Persephone]

Face of Evil wrote...

I don't put much stock in the "Eamon the Puppetmaster" theory. Eamon's a good man with not a lot of years left. What's he going to do — manipulate Alistair into ruling Ferelden justly and fairly?

OH MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it. 

[Persephone]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

I used to kill him for the desertion, should he have not deserted the field of battle then I would have forgive him for the other crimes even the hire hit with Zevran, but he commit treason by leaving the field of battle in a decietful way.

If he would have come up with a plan, or mention another strategy to the king at least to let it be known, then that would've been a strategy move, but leaving him without anyone knowing then that's treason and treason as far as I know is paid with the death penalty.

Anyway I don't have anything against Loghain just that betrayal is a serious matter in military and for the well of a country, so my warden executes Loghain and put Anora to the throne alone, maybe without her father's manipulations she could be a very good and clever Queen. As for alistair...meh..he can be out of the wardens, get drunk, man up in the future if he appears in more games or be executed, is not something I care about.

You think Cailan, who is SOOOOOOOOO bored by strategies and entirely enraptured by legends, would listen? Tactical retreat ain't treason. Read "The Stolen Throne", esp. about the Battle Of West Hill to understand his decision better.

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

I don't put much stock in the "Eamon the Puppetmaster" theory. Eamon's a good man with not a lot of years left. What's he going to do — manipulate Alistair into ruling Ferelden justly and fairly?

OH MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it. 

Doesn't that happen regardless of who you choose for the throne? 

[Ryzaki]

Loghain did commit treason though. So just execute him for trying to usurp the queen (yeah he wasn't actually doing that but it was close enough that you can execute him for it).

[Elhanan]

I usually kill Loghain, but getting to know the deeper character is worth saving him at least once.

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

I don't put much stock in the "Eamon the Puppetmaster" theory. Eamon's a good man with not a lot of years left. What's he going to do — manipulate Alistair into ruling Ferelden justly and fairly?

OH MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it. 

Doesn't that happen regardless of who you choose for the throne? 

I believe there are subtle differences. Time to play Awakening again.....

[nos_astra]

Persephone wrote...
I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it.

The nerve of him!

[Persephone]

klarabella wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it.

The nerve of him!

Yeah. <_

Modifié par Persephone, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .

[Ryzaki]

klarabella wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it.

The nerve of him!

I love how it's okay for Anora but Eamon...oh noes!


Edit: My main problem isn't again with Anora attacking me over her throne, that makes sense. Its her attacking me over her father who has committed crimes that he should pay for when there's far more at stake than her precious father's life.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:51 .

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it.

The nerve of him!

I love how it's okay for Anoa but Eamon...oh noes!

Of course it's ok for Eamon. Only Eamon doesn't get half as much flac. But oh noes, an ambitious, cunning and shrewd woman who doesn't fall at the Warden's feet!! The NERVE of her!

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it.

The nerve of him!

I love how it's okay for Anoa but Eamon...oh noes!

Of course it's ok for Eamon. Only Eamon doesn't get half as much flac. But oh noes, an ambitious, cunning and shrewd woman who doesn't fall at the Warden's feet!! The NERVE of her!

Nah that's not people's issue.

It's her chronic backstabbing disorder.

Eamon maybe a cunning shrewd bastard. But he's a cunning shrewd bastard who has enough sense not to step on the Warden's toes.

If only Anora was so wise.