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[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I do. And Witch Hunt as well as the troubles in the Bannorn in Awakening confirms it. Eamon is shrewd and ambitious. Just very secretive about it.

The nerve of him!

I love how it's okay for Anoa but Eamon...oh noes!

Of course it's ok for Eamon. Only Eamon doesn't get half as much flac. But oh noes, an ambitious, cunning and shrewd woman who doesn't fall at the Warden's feet!! The NERVE of her!

Nah that's not people's issue.

It's her chronic backstabbing disorder.

Eamon maybe a cunning shrewd bastard. But he's a cunning shrewd bastard who has enough sense not to step on the Warden's toes.

If only Anora was so wise.

She has never backstabbed me in my games. Hmmmmmm......now WHY is that? Am I playing a different game?

[Ryzaki]

I mean look at this: He thanks the Warden for saving his lif even if the Warden has killed his wife or son. He rewards the Warden for saving him he doesn't bare a grudge.



Now compare this to Anora who if you admit to her you'll execute her father because you see it must be done turns on you. Even if you have done everything she's asked and support her in the landsmeet.

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...


She has never backstabbed me in my games. Hmmmmmm......now WHY is that? Am I playing a different game?

Really? So you didn't meet up with Ser Cautherine? 

[Face of Evil]

Conflict breaks out in the Bannorn over dirty looks and poor table manners. Hardly cause for panic.

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? So you didn't meet up with Ser Cautherine? 

She chose the dialogue options that don't result in Anora saying "OH SAVE ME FROM THE EVIL WARDENS, SER CAUTHRIEN!"

Modifié par Face of Evil, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:57 .

[nos_astra]

Persephone wrote...
Yeah. <_

Of course, he is as manipulative as Anora, though, he hasn't gone as far as she has yet.

He treated Alistair just fine, he had a roof over his head, he had enough to eat, he has been educated and Maric has done nothing to change it, so obviously it's nothing special.

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

I mean look at this: He thanks the Warden for saving his lif even if the Warden has killed his wife or son. He rewards the Warden for saving him he doesn't bare a grudge.

Now compare this to Anora who if you admit to her you'll execute her father because you see it must be done turns on you. Even if you have done everything she's asked and support her in the landsmeet.

Let's see.....oh yeah......don't care. Because I couldn't care less for Eamon. And I never end up in that situation with Anora, because I do NOT tell her that, no matter what my Warden feels must be done.

[Persephone]

klarabella wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Yeah. <_

Of course, he is as manipulative as Anora, though, he hasn't gone as far as she has yet.

He treated Alistair just fine, he had a roof over his head, he had enough to eat, he has been educated and Maric has done nothing to change it, so obviously it's nothing special.

REALLY? Have a child sleep in the stables with the hounds is treating him just fine? Ditching him to the Chantry to appease his annoying wife is treating him just fine? It's neglect bordering on abuse, that's what it is.

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I mean look at this: He thanks the Warden for saving his lif even if the Warden has killed his wife or son. He rewards the Warden for saving him he doesn't bare a grudge.

Now compare this to Anora who if you admit to her you'll execute her father because you see it must be done turns on you. Even if you have done everything she's asked and support her in the landsmeet.

Let's see.....oh yeah......don't care. Because I couldn't care less for Eamon. And I never end up in that situation with Anora, because I do NOT tell her that, no matter what my Warden feels must be done.

So it has nothing to do with them being comparable but rather who you like more.

And true you may not do that. That doesn't stop that from being her reaction if you do compared to Eamon's much more sensible and dignified reaction.

Just like me! I like Eamon more.

[Ryzaki]

Face of Evil wrote...

Conflict breaks out in the Bannorn over dirty looks and poor table manners. Hardly cause for panic.

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? So you didn't meet up with Ser Cautherine? 

She chose the dialogue options that don't result in Anora saying "OH SAVE ME FROM THE EVIL WARDENS, SER CAUTHRIEN!"

How did Cautherine even know I was going to be there though? Howe's own men didn't even know he was dead.

Cautherine's psychic now? 

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I mean look at this: He thanks the Warden for saving his lif even if the Warden has killed his wife or son. He rewards the Warden for saving him he doesn't bare a grudge.

Now compare this to Anora who if you admit to her you'll execute her father because you see it must be done turns on you. Even if you have done everything she's asked and support her in the landsmeet.

Let's see.....oh yeah......don't care. Because I couldn't care less for Eamon. And I never end up in that situation with Anora, because I do NOT tell her that, no matter what my Warden feels must be done.

So it has nothing to do with them being comparable but rather who you like more.

And true you may not do that. That doesn't stop that from being her reaction if you do compared to Eamon's much more sensible and dignified reaction.

Just like me! I like Eamon more.

Has to do with both. Besides, confronting Eamon with either his wife or kid already being dead is kinda different from announcing a father's execution to a child.

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...


She has never backstabbed me in my games. Hmmmmmm......now WHY is that? Am I playing a different game?

Really? So you didn't meet up with Ser Cautherine? 

No. I merely did not blab to her.

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

Conflict breaks out in the Bannorn over dirty looks and poor table manners. Hardly cause for panic.

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? So you didn't meet up with Ser Cautherine? 

She chose the dialogue options that don't result in Anora saying "OH SAVE ME FROM THE EVIL WARDENS, SER CAUTHRIEN!"

How did Cautherine even know I was going to be there though? Howe's own men didn't even know he was dead.

Cautherine's psychic now? 

Game mechanics. She spawns there within a second.

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...

Has to do with both. Besides, confronting Eamon with either his wife or kid already being dead is kinda different from announcing a father's execution to a child.

He doesn't have any violent reaction to the notion that you used blood magic to save him either though. Nor to he fact htat Conner is going to be taken away to the circle. He's very calm.

Anora acts like a child in that instance. You're very right.

Edit: And what you consider game mechanics I consider Anora's backstabbing disorder.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:04 .

[HolyAvenger]

Anora is very willing to sell you completely down the river if she thinks its best for her. Just because it didn't happen in your playthrough doesn't mean its not part of her character ffs.

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Has to do with both. Besides, confronting Eamon with either his wife or kid already being dead is kinda different from announcing a father's execution to a child.

He doesn't have any violent reaction to the notion that you used blood magic to save him either though. Nor to he fact htat Conner is going to be taken away to the circle. He's very calm.

Anora acts like a child in that instance. You're very right.

Edit: And what you consider game mechanics I consider Anora's backstabbing disorder.

I'm 30 and I'd still want to save my father if I were in that situation.

Consider it what you like. There's no proof either way.

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Has to do with both. Besides, confronting Eamon with either his wife or kid already being dead is kinda different from announcing a father's execution to a child.

He doesn't have any violent reaction to the notion that you used blood magic to save him either though. Nor to he fact htat Conner is going to be taken away to the circle. He's very calm.

Anora acts like a child in that instance. You're very right.

Edit: And what you consider game mechanics I consider Anora's backstabbing disorder.

I'm 30 and I'd still want to save my father if I were in that situation.

Consider it what you like. There's no proof either way.

Would you be willing to let a whole country of innocent people be slaugtered to do so? 

Yup. Alternate character interpretation.

[Persephone]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Anora is very willing to sell you completely down the river if she thinks its best for her. Just because it didn't happen in your playthrough doesn't mean its not part of her character ffs.

And that's part of why she and not Alistair should be Ferelden's ruler. Ambitious, shrewd, experienced, cunning....sounds like a young Elizabeth I. to me. So yeah, she always gets the throne in my case. And the results speak for themselves.

[Ryzaki]

Persephone wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Anora is very willing to sell you completely down the river if she thinks its best for her. Just because it didn't happen in your playthrough doesn't mean its not part of her character ffs.

And that's part of why she and not Alistair should be Ferelden's ruler. Ambitious, shrewd, experienced, cunning....sounds like a young Elizabeth I. to me. So yeah, she always gets the throne in my case. And the results speak for themselves.

You mean when she does all that good for the country just for it to crumble because she had her nose too high in the air to pick an heir/have one and a succession war breaks out? 

Granted Alistair's probably worse but it doesn't look good either way.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:11 .

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Has to do with both. Besides, confronting Eamon with either his wife or kid already being dead is kinda different from announcing a father's execution to a child.

He doesn't have any violent reaction to the notion that you used blood magic to save him either though. Nor to he fact htat Conner is going to be taken away to the circle. He's very calm.

Anora acts like a child in that instance. You're very right.

Edit: And what you consider game mechanics I consider Anora's backstabbing disorder.

I'm 30 and I'd still want to save my father if I were in that situation.

Consider it what you like. There's no proof either way.

Would you be willing to let a whole country of innocent people be slaugtered to do so? 

Yup. Alternate character interpretation.

As she doesn't know that without the Wardens Ferelden is doomed, I am not holding that against her.

[Ryzaki]

*once again I'm not even talking about destroying the archedemon I'm talking about sheer military strength. Her military is too thin. They don't have the numbers to stop the darkspawn even if they could kill it.

[HolyAvenger]

Persephone wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Anora is very willing to sell you completely down the river if she thinks its best for her. Just because it didn't happen in your playthrough doesn't mean its not part of her character ffs.

And that's part of why she and not Alistair should be Ferelden's ruler. Ambitious, shrewd, experienced, cunning....sounds like a young Elizabeth I. to me. So yeah, she always gets the throne in my case. And the results speak for themselves.

As I've posted elsewhere, I (and my PCs, in most cases) DO NOT believe that the ends justify the means. Someone willing to sell her rescuer down the river has some significant moral flaws for mine, meaning she shouldn't end up on the throne (at least alone, Alistair as King would temper some of that).

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Persephone wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Anora is very willing to sell you completely down the river if she thinks its best for her. Just because it didn't happen in your playthrough doesn't mean its not part of her character ffs.

And that's part of why she and not Alistair should be Ferelden's ruler. Ambitious, shrewd, experienced, cunning....sounds like a young Elizabeth I. to me. So yeah, she always gets the throne in my case. And the results speak for themselves.

You mean when she does all that good for the country just for it to crumble because she had her nose too high in the air to pick an heir/have one and a succession war breaks out? 

Granted Alistair's probably worse but it doesn't look good either way.

We don't know about her never picking an heir. DA2 might tell us that. Elizabeth I. did not pick an heir until she was on her deathbed and she did just fine. And it has nothing to do with arrogance. She simply refuses to lower her standards. I'd prefer not to settle for anything less either.

[Ryzaki]

So you're the leader of a backwater country?

As a leader she's expected to do things she's quite frankly not going to want to do. Like either produce/name an heir. IF she can't do that. She shouldn't be a leader. Being a leader means sacrifice. It means duty. It means smiling and putting on a brave front when you want to curl in a ball and cry.

And Fereldan is not england. Picking an heir on her deathbed not letting the explosive landsmeet get used to the heir? Recipe for disaster.

That's why I can't stomach making her queen. She doesn't seem to understand that. At least Alistair understands *that* much.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:19 .

[nos_astra]

Persephone wrote...
REALLY? Have a child sleep in the stables
with the hounds is treating him just fine? Ditching him to the Chantry
to appease his annoying wife is treating him just fine? It's neglect
bordering on abuse, that's what it is.

Yes, I think in a world like Dragon Age it's perfectly fine to treat the King's (obviously) unwanted bastard like a servant. It's not a pleasant life, but it could have been worse.
Getting him away from his abusive wife and offer him a career as a member of an order of renowned warriors also doesn't strike me as too horrible.

And Anora is not a child. She respects Loghain as her father, probably loves him but they are not that close, considering that he was not around when she was growing up. She also wnats to be a queen, she's going to sentence people to death and has probably seen her fair share of executions.

The Dragon Age atmosphere is based on A Song of Ice and Fire and I can tell you, that such a world is not supposed to be pretty. Ned Starks sons (7 and 14) watch him execute someone, while his daughter loses a 14 old friend because the queen has him executed for nothing.

Modifié par klarabella, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:17 .

[Face of Evil]

Ryzaki wrote...

How did Cautherine even know I was going to be there though? Howe's own men didn't even know he was dead.

Cautherine's psychic now? 

It can be justified if you tripped the alarm while you were upstairs. There's one guard in particular who won't be fooled by your disguise. He's the one having a "rendezvous" with a member of the kitchen staff in one of the private rooms.