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[VirgoT]

As EDI put it: They aren't Protheans anymore.

The Collectors were "made" from Protheans, by the Reapers when their version of a Reaper failed. The Human Reaper, was just going to become a normal Reaper. The Collectors were ordered to harvest humans because they defeated Sovereign and gained the attention of the Reapers.

Seems believeable to me.

Modifié par VirgoT, 20 janvier 2011 - 03:35 .

[Il Divo]

An interesting question. Yes and no, would be my answer.

Yes: I think the idea of making the Reapers constructed from organics is about as evil as you can get. Reapers being machine-organic hybrids also makes alot more sense given the context of Saren's final speech at the end of Mass Effect. Finally, the Reaper's motivation for purging the galaxy turning out to be reproduction I thought was an awesome contradiction in what we would have expected which goes back to Reapers not being as 'impossible to comprehend' as they would have us believe.

No: The design blows. I hope whatever Bioware was smoking when they made it was worth it because it looked assinine. I also think we should have been given exposition for why we were expected to kill this thing. Yes, it's a Reaper. Reapers are bad, but what's the overall significance? All they had to tell us was that it was intended as a new vanguard to replace Sovereign and we'd have been set.

That's my two cents, at any rate.

[kazumasoju]

hmm, I think you should wait for ME3 since there is a lot to be explained, also there is something that i feel has to do with the protheans that hasn't been said in the games yet but its just speculation. When the answers reveal themselves you will know

[JuicElawl]

i dunno, i think it would be hilarious to have a human reaper swimming its way across the galaxy.

[xlavaina]

Maybe it'll be explained in ME3.

[adam_grif]

The worst part about the ending was actually that your plan was to "destroy the collectors", who as far as you know are a civilization of highly advanced aliens, and then when you get to the other side of the Relay it's just one space station guarded by one ship and a couple of small drones. The ship falls to "cruiser level firepower" and then a 12 man commando team could not be overwhelmed by the main villains, even in their stronghold.



The best part is how you had like, no plans to destroy the base. You had to ad-lib once you got there. Why couldn't you bring like a huge ass nuclear bomb to blow it up with or something? What if instead of a space station it was like a moon colony or something that didn't have a convenient reactor that killed everything on the station? Well I guess you would have lost. Oh well!

[marshalleck]

Don't think about it too much or blood will start pouring out of your eyeballs.

[PauseforEffect]

You're not the only one who had a problem with the final boss being a human reaper. One critic lopped off a half star for that alone.

Kinda annoying how much it resembles the Terminator. The kind of fight I more imagined was a larva reaper half cocooned and when dropped, would start screeching and flailing about with cords and tentacles, grabbing anything organic. Having Shepard be forced to dodge from cover to cover constantly while fighting would have been more interesting. Most of the fight with the human reaper could be finished without moving from 1 spot

[GodWood]

Squishing humans into smoosh than using said smoosh to make a terminator Reaper is not believable at all.

[282xvl]

adam_grif wrote...

The worst part about the ending was actually that your plan was to "destroy the collectors", who as far as you know are a civilization of highly advanced aliens, and then when you get to the other side of the Relay it's just one space station guarded by one ship and a couple of small drones. The ship falls to "cruiser level firepower" and then a 12 man commando team could not be overwhelmed by the main villains, even in their stronghold.

The best part is how you had like, no plans to destroy the base. You had to ad-lib once you got there. Why couldn't you bring like a huge ass nuclear bomb to blow it up with or something? What if instead of a space station it was like a moon colony or something that didn't have a convenient reactor that killed everything on the station? Well I guess you would have lost. Oh well!

I must strongly concur with this.

Mission: Engage and destroy advanced hostile alien species by destroying or irrepairably devastating their "homeworld." Hmmm a tad genocidal

Forces assigned to mission:
1 advanced frigate (equivalent of CL or at best CA-level tactical strength)
1 infantry commando team of 12 people.

I mean seriously thats ridiculous. What if they actually did have a home WORLD? Orbital defenses or their home fleet would obliterate the frigate in seconds. Or even if it somehow stealthed in and landed the commando team... what exactly could they possibly accomplish to devastate the planet?

Only option I can see is either orbital drop of many enemy space stations, or running the normandy kamikaze at the planet at FTL velocities. (Even a small object hitting a planet at lightspeed+ should theoretically slam it to pieces with literally INFINITE energy..

[Bourne Endeavor]

GodWood wrote...

Squishing humans into smoosh than using said smoosh to make a terminator Reaper is not believable at all.

It could be a plausible if better utilized. Had they been using the human goo as a substitute for blood to reactive the derelict Reaper. It could have seemed logical, at least with proper exposition citing this was the only means to revive a Reaper and that they had no intentions of allowing it to exist subsequent to their cycle.

Another, superior angle, would have been the goo was used to create Collectors and that Harbinger was intending to build an army. Upon passing through the Omega 4 Relay, we witness hundreds of inactive Collector Ships. That would have actually been a decent plan, perhaps in conjunction with the revival of the derelict Reaper.

[JamieCOTC]

Maybe Reapers making their "offspring" look human would make the other aliens hate humans more when it came to conquer them?  I dunno. Grabbing at straws here.  I liked the concept art Reaper baby much better. 

[Balek-Vriege]

I find most of the ending believable save for the extreme luck Shepard and crew have evading falling debris and platforms.



There's heavy hints that Reapers are in fact a race of "Ark" like beings. Basically a race which built ships (Reapers) out of their own DNA while merging their collective consciousness into an AI core (like the core on the derelict Reaper) which serves as a massive hive-mind. Because they thought they were so awsome post "ascension," they began assimilating other races over millions of years by "saving" them through destruction. The Quarian-Geth history and motivations, Harbinger's quotes, Sovereign's little speech etc. all point to this in my opinion. Based on that, a lot more things make sense in ME2.



Regardless, I think the reason why the Reaper baby looks so Human is because it is mostly human. Based off the ending shot of the Reapers flying towards the galaxy, it seems there are many different forms of Reapers which all have a basic outer shell. Meaning they grow a Reaper then probably build/grow a ship around it.



As for the Collector Base being so unguarded, Devs covered most of this through dialogue. The Collectors/Reapers didn't expect anyone to make it through the Omega relay in the first place and even if they barely survived, the eyeball things or the Collector ship would finish them off. Unfortunately for them a ship did make it through in perfect shape which may be uberly upgraded and strong enough to take out an already battered Collector Ship.

[GodWood]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Squishing humans into smoosh than using said smoosh to make a terminator Reaper is not believable at all.

It could be a plausible if better utilized. Had they been using the human goo as a substitute for blood to reactive the derelict Reaper. It could have seemed logical, at least with proper exposition citing this was the only means to revive a Reaper and that they had no intentions of allowing it to exist subsequent to their cycle.

Another, superior angle, would have been the goo was used to create Collectors and that Harbinger was intending to build an army. Upon passing through the Omega 4 Relay, we witness hundreds of inactive Collector Ships. That would have actually been a decent plan, perhaps in conjunction with the revival of the derelict Reaper.

But if that were the case wouldn't it be more simple/subtle to just use whatever the materials humans are made of to create said Reaper/collector?
Instead of flying around the galaxy snatching human colonies.

[KevShep]

This is my theory with clues.
 
The reapers are ancient humans who have implanted through a VI becoming a human AI. They have lost there human form and have also lost there humanity, with no way to reclam there human form they must recreate there species through evolution which takes millions of years. Sovereign-We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution- by doing this they control the process of evolution, waiting on the return of the humans and annihilat all failed species attempts(Protheans and so forth).

biggest fact, when Shepard comes back from the dead look at his scars they are the same color as the human genetic goo being sucked into the human reaper. We all know that it can bring some one back from the dead. hint hint. Have you wondered why his return is down played, thats because its part of the ME3 plot.

another clue is that we already know that cerberus has lost there humanity. TIM is trying to use there own tech against them by infusing a human with a VI useing the geth (Project Overlord) also he plans to use the base to build one. TIM mite not be aware that that is how the reapers may have been born in the first place. TIM is unknowingly  about to recreate the reapers. Sovereign -The relays are ours by using it your society develops along the paths we desire- This could also be the reapers back door since tech and history follow the same path. point is dont trust cerberus!

the last clue that I have is the hole down played part of the story about humans being a jack of all trats(if you have payed attention) they dont say why, that means that its part of the ME3 plot which has to do with all the above that Ive said.

to anyone who has wondered why the reaper looks like a human this could be why. We just have to wait and see, this was my two cents.

[KingDan97]

Considering the fact that research on concepts such as Organic Computers is going on now, I'd say a race of machines millions of years old could reasonably use the genetic material of a species to make up a sentient starship. 

The most common complaints I hear in reference to the Reaper are that:
1. It wasn't explained well enough. While this may be true, if they spelled out exactly what the reaper was being made for(let's say it was another Sovvie) then we'd be upset that they don't think we're smart enough to infer that on our own. As for how it was being made, it's technology millions of years more advanced then ours, that's essentially freaking magic! Even if we assume that it's only a few hundred years ahead, that's still more then advanced enough to make it damn near impossible to explain. Could you explain a computer, or a solar panel to someone in the 18th century and expect them to understand flawlessly? Hell if you went back a few decades and proposed CPR or a defibrillator then you'd be locked the hell up.

2. Why did it look like a human? This doesn't really have an explanation, if you want one then you could potentially argue that it would on some unexplainable level make it a more pure essence of Human culture. If they really are "arks" of races that came before then it would serve to preserve the soul of the species. As for why it didn't look like a fetus... Well honestly that would have made even less sense. How would it grow then? They'd break apart links and reweld every few weeks? No. In addition, that thing was no where near the 2km that Sovvie was, it was maybe 300-400 meters tall, that's less then a fifth of the final design.

My point is, this is way too much scrutiny and emphasis on something they already know people didn't get. Reviews said it, hell almost every review said it. THEY KNOW, you can now move on to complaining about the other 50 or so minor things that no one outside these forums let ruin the game for them so that Bioware knows that it wasn't ideal.

[AlanC9]

THY KREEPER wrote...
Exactly what I feal. I still don't understand why a human reaper would be efficient. Darker and more evil? Yes. The reason for it being all humanoidish? I have not the slightest idea.

The shape is arbitrary -- they make it look like a human because it was made from humans, but the shape doesn't mean that much. Note that the various races have spacecraft that look nothing like each other, so spacecraft design doesn't seem to have any real constraints except the designer's whim.

As for why humans, it's made plain in Mordin's missions that humans are genetically different from other races in the galaxy. Which presumably makes them better Reapers.

[masseffectexpert94]

The other reapers look like giant crab/octapus things do you think that if the reapers actuly wipe out the galaxy's races and all reapers become human like that the future races would think we look as weird

[swenson]

My thoughts are that this is a game in which there's a sentient race of giant, semi-immortal machines living outside our galaxy that randomly come by every few years to kill us all, everyone has magic blue powers, there's floating jellyfish missionaries, and your pilot is in love with an AI. While I recognize that internal consistency is important (which is why, for example, I can accept an alien living on Earth with super strength, super speed, heat vision, and freezing breath, but him also being able to travel in time is too much for me), I don't think they've done anything that directly contradicts what's already been set down. Ridiculous things are commonplace here.



So yeah, I think the ending is believable, or at least as believable as you can get in the ME universe!

[Kenshen]

The ending was just as believable as the beginning was. Really there is no way there would have been anything left of Shepard to rebuild. Not only that but to bring back from the dead? So after that anything could happen.

[Silmane]

Probably a topic for another thread but as far as the beginning being believable goes, I would've liked to see Shepard see Joker off and instead of being blown out into space, jump into the Mako and ride the crash to the planet and bleed out. It would've made the destruction of the Normandy much more emotional(if that's possible). Not only that, the idea his body was recoverable would've been believable seeing as how the Mako itself is intact at the crash site.



As far as the ending goes, the jump into the Omega Relay was weird from the get go. It was great to look at, yes, but the Collector ship you see on Horizon is gigantic in terms of planet size. It looks like a small platform coming out of the base itself. I think the base only having one means of defense is the goofiest part when it's so big. Not only that, the collector ship ate the lasers like nothing and was blown up fairly quickly. No kinetic barriers of it's own?



I really could go on and on, I guess. I love the game and all, I really really do, but ME2 gets goofy a lot.

[Joolazoo]

...the whole games unrealistic. No matter how good of a soldier shepard is he would be dead half way through ME1 if it was realistic. Shepard goes charging into dozens of enemies with only 2 allies and always comes out fresh and dandy...i don't see how this bothers you but the pure unbelievability of the characters combat ability doesn't.