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[Count Viceroy]

I don't care how cliched it is, elves are supposed to be tall and gracefull ala tolkien. It's just the natural order of thing for me. So I'm happy about it. .

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:15 .

[Miss Greyjoy]

I approve of this change. My humans in DAO just towered over Zev. Maybe because I'm so small in RL, it was weird to me? Who knows?

[Xewaka]

Count Viceroy wrote...
I don't care how cliched it is, elves are supposed to be tall and gracefull ala tolkien. It's just the natural order of thing for me. So I'm happy about it. .

This comment is specially hilarious considering how people defended the artistic direction change because Dragon Age Origins looked too much like LotR.

[Ryzaki]

Irkalla wrote...

This is good news to me, I was kinda irked of how Zevran was smaller than my warden. I'm a tall girl irl, and kinda have height issues when it comes to smaller guys.

Huh. I'm tall and like dudes shorter than me or my height.

The fact that my HF is going to be shorter than an elf is going to irritate me the whole game.

And yes if you're going to change the height you might as well go the whole nine yards and make them heartbreakingly beautiful and intelligent and wise and eveyr genric LOTR elf trait.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:20 .

[Count Viceroy]

Xewaka wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...
I don't care how cliched it is, elves are supposed to be tall and gracefull ala tolkien. It's just the natural order of thing for me. So I'm happy about it. .

This comment is specially hilarious considering how people defended the artistic direction change because Dragon Age Origins looked too much like LotR.

I'm sure it would be hilarious, if I was one of those people, but I'm not.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 janvier 2011 - 02:28 .

[AlexXIV]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...
I don't care how cliched it is, elves are supposed to be tall and gracefull ala tolkien. It's just the natural order of thing for me. So I'm happy about it. .

This comment is specially hilarious considering how people defended the artistic direction change because Dragon Age Origins looked too much like LotR.

I'm sure it would be hilarious, if I was one of those people, but I'm not.

Also they complained about DA:O not being 'dark fantasy' and not about the size of elves. So Mr. Xewaka just taken things out of context to serve his own argument, which is also kinda 'hilarious'.

[Xewaka]

Count Viceroy wrote...
I'm sure it would be hilarious, if I was one of those people, but I'm not.

Never said you were one.

AlexXIV wrote...
Also they complained about DA:O not being 'dark fantasy' and not about the size of elves. So Mr. Xewaka just taken things out of context to serve his own argument, which is also kinda 'hilarious'.

The internet told me to do it.

[TheRealJayDee]

I would be pretty dissapointed, should most elves turn out to be as tall as humans. Because from all we've seen so far in DA:O, they're not. It's not that I don't like tall elves (in my own fantasy world elves might resemble the classic Tolkienish elven sterotype), but I like consistency more. And in Thedas average elves are smaller than average humans.



Should this have changed I'd have to live with it. There might be reasons for it. But it cannot, under any circumstances, have changed because of any height related romanceability issues. That would be just sad.

[Count Viceroy]

Ryzaki wrote...

And yes if you're going to change the height you might as well go the whole nine yards and make them heartbreakingly beautiful and intelligent and wise and eveyr genric LOTR elf trait.

It's hard to be beautiful living in the slums though. Though i suppose the whole how the mighty elves have fallen niche dragon age went with was a bit lost when they were humans with pointy ears.

[Beerfish]

Woman for the most part only want to date men that are taller than them. To make the romance work the male must be taller or he would be kicked to the curb very quickly.

[Russalka]

I do not know what to decide, but most of the people who annoy me are happy about this development and a lot of those whom I like, are against it.

Modifié par Russalka, 20 janvier 2011 - 03:02 .

[Eveangaline]

Come on bioware, some of us are sick of being short in real life, we'd like a chance to be tall sometimes, don't take that from us T___T

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Cazlee wrote...
They have no shoes?! WTH!!
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...wait, really? What
if they walk on glass from a broken window or  a sharp rock or hot
pavement or a trap or dog poo or toxic darkspawn blood or if an insect
bites them? So if I'm fighting an elf I just have to aim for his unarmored foot? 

If they don't use the time/resources to show an elf's foot getting injured by getting trampled or stepping on something sharp--which I doubt they will, or else your brain would fill in "pain" for every later instance--why waste the time to assume it is or worry about it happening?

With bare feet does not come environmental damage and an alterered pathfinding system that avoids pointy-looking ground. It's a superficial detail that can be allowed because of the limitations of the medium. Enjoy it.

I'm taking the wait-and-see on the height thing. They may be taller but they're also much narrower so... they're still petite, but on a different axis. :B And if they were shorter and skinnier, those who say that Merrill "looks 12" may actually have a leg for their argument to stand on.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 20 janvier 2011 - 03:26 .

[Count Viceroy]

Russalka wrote...

I do not know what to decide, but most of the people who annoy me are happy about this development and a lot of those whom I like, are against it.

Why would that ever be a factor in your opinion? 

[Reverie]

The sweeping generalizations in this thread are the best part.

[lv12medic]

Maybe it's just Fenris? Torture racks may have added a few inches? Maker only knows what lyrium does to mess around with growth hormones among other things.

[Ryzaki]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And yes if you're going to change the height you might as well go the whole nine yards and make them heartbreakingly beautiful and intelligent and wise and eveyr genric LOTR elf trait.

It's hard to be beautiful living in the slums though. Though i suppose the whole how the mighty elves have fallen niche dragon age went with was a bit lost when they were humans with pointy ears.

Yeah but that doesn't require them to be the same height.

I hated the humans with pointy ears too but I didn't want them to be the *same* height. That's just lame.

[Russalka]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Why would that ever be a factor in your opinion? 

It is not, not particularly at least. I remain neutral and wish to see how it works out in the game, but I like making passive-aggressive statements.

lv12medic wrote...
Maybe it's just Fenris? Torture racks
may have added a few inches? Maker only knows what lyrium does to mess
around with growth hormones among other things.

Who cares about other elves? I think Fenris is the main reason this gets so much attention.

[David Gaider]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Seriously? Why would you do this, BioWare?

Heh. Funny that I would essentially say "I don't know, I've never compared them" and come back to this.

Looking in-game, it seems like Fenris is a tad shorter than my Male Hawke. It's not a marked difference, though. Same appears to be true for female elves.

As for those calling this a ret-con-- I don't know what to say there, really. Humans come in a variety of sizes, despite the fact we only model one. Same applies to elves. Why someone would be especially attached to elves being markedly shorter than humans I really have no idea, but there's nothing that requires that they be. Dwarves are a different story. The word "dwarf" kind of requires that they be a particular height... that doesn't apply to the elves.

But I guess people will get attached to different things? Well, there you go.

[Weevilbits]

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...
So much for making your own type of elf. >.>

Without making any value judgements on people's preferred height in elves, video game boyfriends, or elven video game boyfriends I'd just like to point out that "short elves" in Origins was hardly a brilliantly original concept.  Having grown up on D&D more than Tolkien, I think of shorter elves as the more "stereotypical" choice, and taller elves as somewhat more novel.

[The Elder King]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Seriously? Why would you do this, BioWare?

Heh. Funny that I would essentially say "I don't know, I've never compared them" and come back to this.

Looking in-game, it seems like Fenris is a tad shorter than my Male Hawke. It's not a marked difference, though. Same appears to be true for female elves.

As for those calling this a ret-con-- I don't know what to say there, really. Humans come in a variety of sizes, despite the fact we only model one. Same applies to elves. Why someone would be especially attached to elves being markedly shorter than humans I really have no idea, but there's nothing that requires that they be. Dwarves are a different story. The word "dwarf" kind of requires that they be a particular height... that doesn't apply to the elves.

But I guess people will get attached to different things? Well, there you go.

Thank you for the news. Btw, are you playing DA2? Which class?

[Majin Paul]

I'm not really bothered about the difference in height between humans and elves because humans have a lot of variety in height.

Personally, when I hear of elves, I usually see them as taller.

[Count Viceroy]

Russalka wrote...



It is not, not particularly at least. I remain neutral and wish to see how it works out in the game, but I like making passive-aggressive statements.

Fair enough

[Saibh]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Seriously? Why would you do this, BioWare?

Heh. Funny that I would essentially say "I don't know, I've never compared them" and come back to this.

Looking in-game, it seems like Fenris is a tad shorter than my Male Hawke. It's not a marked difference, though. Same appears to be true for female elves.

As for those calling this a ret-con-- I don't know what to say there, really. Humans come in a variety of sizes, despite the fact we only model one. Same applies to elves. Why someone would be especially attached to elves being markedly shorter than humans I really have no idea, but there's nothing that requires that they be. Dwarves are a different story. The word "dwarf" kind of requires that they be a particular height... that doesn't apply to the elves.

But I guess people will get attached to different things? Well, there you go.

For the setting, I liked that they were shorter. They were oppressed, beaten down and trod upon, and being shorter than humans was a visual cue for that. They weren't the same Tolkien-esque High (n Mighty) Elves that we were all used to and, for some of us, annoyed with. They still had many of the same qualities, but they didn't feel like a race of perfect, enlightened beings. They felt like another species, though.

I suppose it was just a nice visual identifier that "these elves are not what you're used to". Nothing essential, but a nice change of pace nonetheless. Still, should Fenris be a LI, it'll be nice to not have to lean down. I always cringe.