AdmiralCheez wrote... THIRDLY, TIM has Reaper eyes? Really? From a husk-ifying laser beam? And Shanxi was a Reaper-related conspiracy THE WHOLE TIME?
Auggggh...that is such a lame explanation for TIM's eyes!
So what is the point of making Shanxi a Reaper-related thing? Another attempt to point out that humanity is of special interest to the Reapers? Or just the Reapers trollin'?
That's it; I'm done. I am creating my own version of the Mass Effect canon in which the comics and books never happened, like I was forced to do with StarCraft.
I made the mistake of buying the Redemption series...and have not read an ME related comic since (even the free one online). Seriously, Bioware, I want to buy all the ME related products you can throw at me, but not if they're like this.
We'll see how this develops, but this certainly explains why TIM dislikes aliens and was willing to believe in the Reapers. This also makes me curious about the Turian Heirarchy - they may know more about the Reapers than was previously indicated. Between this and Retribution, I'm guessing that Grayson-esque "Avatars" and machine cultists of various species will be our primary antagonists.
Could explain cerberus experiments too make new weapons enhance humans for the coming reaper war he is taken extreme measures to combat the reapers.
(Yes, this is mostly for cheese purposes, so shush, I'm in an Ace Attorney mood!)
*Cue 'Objection' theme*
The defense finds that the aforementioned comic is indeed FULL of contradictions. And that said comic constitutes several MASSIVE plotholes! The defense will also show that the writing here is indeed, incredibly biased in favor of humanity!
The defense presents the following arguments:
If we assume, for the sake of argument, that communications and translations were available for both species by this point, why hadn't any form of diplomacy or cease-fire been attempted? It would've have become quickly clear that the entire encounter and "war" was the result of a misunderstanding regarding the relays if any sort of dialogue had been undertaken at the very beginning! Clearly the Heirarchy is being portrayed in a manner contradictory to the established canon!
Just in case that wasn't enough, the defense also offers the following posulation:
The distinct possibility that a good portion of the First Contact War, or at the very least, the occupation of Shanxi, was directly related to the alien artifact!
*cue 'Cornered' theme*
Several pages, beginning with the pages which feature the female turian, are clearly indictative that either these "researchers" were either a part of the invading fleet, or may have been chased here by the fleet, where they were shot down by the human opposition!
In either case, General Williams clearly states that they (the turians) no longer seem to care about the few pockets of human resistance, but that they're looking for something else entirely! And the turians themselves are willing to go to great lengths to retrieve this artifact, as evidenced by this comic. So, unless the Heirarchy were complete idiots regarding Dragons Teeth (which may be what the artifact is) they had to have SOME foreknowledge of what that Reaper tech might be capable of. Regardless, the presence of the ship and the researchers is also suspect!
If the Heirarchy knew about the alien artifact being on Shanxi, then a large part of the motive for the attack was based on retrieving this Reaper Tech (even if they weren't aware of it's origins at the time), which means that the humans activating the Relay was less of a cause and more of a convenient excuse for them to invade, making it a conspiracy which puts the blame MOSTLY on the turians! Not to mention the implications implied with the Heirarchy obviously knowing more about the potential Reaper threat then we are lead to believe, especially in light of Councilor Velarn's rather infamous set of lines!
Furthermore! If the Heirarchy merely brought the artifact with them, or the researchers somehow were indoctrinated and escaped to Shanxi through the Mass Relay, than the Heirarchy essentially has their collective talons firmly wedged into the Idiot Ball, as it makes no sense for them to bring such a potentially dangerous artifact with them in the former, and in the latter, potentially risking an outbreak of alien technology on a planet they occupied is idiotic!
SO! In light of this evidence, the defense must conclude that there is a rather heavy human bias, which has been occuring quite frequently since this line of Dark Horse ME comics have begun! Not to mention having to explain these rather glaring inconsistencies. Unless future issues explain these points, the defense will have no choice but to call for a mis-trial!
(Okay, done with that Sorry, having a bit too much fun here on my DS~)
Well, the "Dragon Teeth" work pretty fast to. We may call this instahuskificator a "Dragon Tusk".
By comparison, the technology replicated by Cerberus to experiment on Paul Grayson worked slower and had initially a weaker effect - as Grayson could resist it for a while. This may have been due to the process being controlled and restricted to conservative dosing by the scientists. However, in the end this produced a more able agent for the Reapers than an ordinary mindless husk. Kinda like Saren. Note, that the Reapers did not "assume direct control" of Grayson in the final showdown with Kai Leng and Anderson. All in all, there seems to be three distinct technologies the Reapers use to control organic hosts.
Indoctrination "signal"
Huskification "nanites"
Direct control "switch".
Dionkey wrote...
-Jack Harper has husk eyes
Rejoyce TIM hater's, he is the Chief Reaper!!! Even if not, then he is at least t a i n t e d !!!
Seriously though, it makes him kinda special. Could really mean nothing or may mean something.
Dionkey wrote...
-Turians are possibly aware of the Reapers
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, shall we? Bear in mind that in Ascension TIM is shown as yet unaware of the Reapers. I was probably between Grayson's defection and the intro of ME2 (Miranda in his office), that he got to read Commander Shepard's mission reports. So I kinda doubt that any conclusive info will be retconned into the events taking place around TIM almost 30 years before.
"The robes" must be the researchers the Turian lieutenant was talking about. They were probably transporting the "Dragon Tusk" away from the war zone, but their frigate crashed. Or was downed by Zaeed. Or they turned into husks in low orbit already and decided the go put the artifact back. Anyway, my guess is that it is going to be destroyed in a nuke blast on the last minus one page of issue 4.
Dionkey wrote...
-Female Turians look like Skeletor [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]
No wonder Garrus is hitting on FemShep. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, shall we? Bear in mind that in Ascension TIM is shown as yet unaware of the Reapers. I was probably between Grayson's defection and the intro of ME2 (Miranda in his office), that he got to read Commander Shepard's mission reports. So I kinda doubt that any conclusive info will be retconned into the events taking place around TIM almost 30 years before.
"The robes" must be the researchers the Turian lieutenant was talking about. They were probably transporting the "Dragon Tusk" away from the war zone, but their frigate crashed. Or was downed by Zaeed. Or they turned into husks in low orbit already and decided the go put the artifact back. Anyway, my guess is that it is going to be destroyed in a nuke blast on the last minus one page of issue 4.
The problem with this is, how do we know for certain TIM didn't know anything. Remember, he claims to have always suspected the Collectors and by default, the Reapers "The pattern is in the data." after all.
Also, we have no evidence that they were trying to transport the artifact off-world. It could be they had it with them the entire time. We don't have enough information to make a conclusion just yet.
And finally, even IF the artifact is destroyed, it doesn't alter the fact the turians will still have data on it. Which still leaves that gaping hole about HOW ME3 is going to explain the Heirarchy withholding this sort of info. Hell, the entire backstory of the FCW has been changed drastically from the canon that was previously established. They're going to have to do a DAMN good job of explaining this in later issues or we'll be left with one of those things you love:
And finally, even IF the artifact is destroyed, it doesn't alter the fact the turians will still have data on it. Which still leaves that gaping hole about HOW ME3 is going to explain the Heirarchy withholding this sort of info. Hell, the entire backstory of the FCW has been changed drastically from the canon that was previously established. They're going to have to do a DAMN good job of explaining this in later issues or we'll be left with one of those things you love:
A plothole.
What data? That a Prothean device turns people into insane "machine cultists"? They probably have had this kind of "data" for the last thousand years, and that's exactly why this planet was off limits. So when the Humans showed up, it provoked them into action:
Plan A: Bomb the Humans out of the planet, for their own safety.
Plan B: Remove the artifact.
Note: "Plan B" never existed until the Humans proved to be careless about their safety and unwilling to be bombed out.
And, BTW, how does it cancel the established fact, that the initial engagement took place elsewhere, and the Turians were led to Shanxi by escaping Human ships, to find an 8-year old colony there?
What data? That a Prothean device turns people into insane "machine cultists"? They probably have had this kind of "data" for the last thousand years, and that's exactly why this planet was off limits. So when the Humans showed up, it provoked them into action:
Plan A: Bomb the Humans out of the planet, for their own safety.
Plan B: Remove the artifact.
Note: "Plan B" never existed until the Humans proved to be careless about their safety and unwilling to be bombed out.
"Provoked into action" meaning "Barrage the ever-loving crap out of them", yes? Because that seems like a Disproportionate Retribution even by Turian standards. If they were really worried, they could've taken any number of alternatives up to and including diplomacy, which isn't out-of-character for them. Honestly, your suggestion implies they knew the artifact was there for some time and were just twiddling her thumbs.
If they were worried about it why not remove it from the planet in the first place? You know before humans showed up.
Before the Humans showed up and started the war by resisting the Turian police action, there was no reason to remove the relic.
What the Turians demonstrate here is actually a typical behavior of savages in response to the Europeans coming ang colonizing their "holy grounds".
...You're kidding right? I can understand the turian's knee-jerk reaction to the Mass Relay activation, the game even acknowledges the dangers of doing so.
But again, IF the artifact was either dangerous or valuable, why leave it there on the planet to begin with? If they thought it was Prothean tech they could've taken it with them to study. Again, Evolution blows open this plothole wherein the FCW looks like a front for a conspiracy. At this point you'll be hard-pressed to spin it any other way.
But again, IF the artifact was either dangerous or valuable, why leave it there on the planet to begin with? If they thought it was Prothean tech they could've taken it with them to study. Again, Evolution blows open this plothole wherein the FCW looks like a front for a conspiracy. At this point you'll be hard-pressed to spin it any other way.
Because it was dangerous. And its value was mostly sentimental. As for studying dangerous tech for some gain, it's a Cerberus thing. The cool aliens and even the right humans don't do that. Plus with the Asari life span, there are probably living members of the first expedition to Shanxi that ended in disaster due to the artifact and subsequent quarantine of the star system, even if such an expedition took place hundreds years ago.
Because it was dangerous. And it's value was mostly sentimental. As for studying dangerous tech for some gain, it's a Cerberus thing. The cool aliens and even the right humans don't do that. Plus with the Asari life span, there are probably living members of the first expedition to Shanxi that ended in disaster due to the artifact and subsequent quarantine of the star system, even if such an expedition took place hundreds years ago.
My only statement at this point is that until we see later issues either explain or write it off, the information presented to us implies premeditation on the part of the Hierarchy, which makes them look unnecessarily evil. But as this is TIM's story, I can just chalk it up to Unreliable Narration.
Because it was dangerous. And its value was mostly sentimental. As for studying dangerous tech for some gain, it's a Cerberus thing. The cool aliens and even the right humans don't do that. Plus with the Asari life span, there are probably living members of the first expedition to Shanxi that ended in disaster due to the artifact and subsequent quarantine of the star system, even if such an expedition took place hundreds years ago.
My only statement at this point is that until we see later issues either explain or write it off, the information presented to us implies premeditation on the part of the Hierarchy, which makes them look unnecessarily evil. But as this is TIM's story, I can just chalk it up to Unreliable Narration.
Lol.
So touchy.
But don't worry, there is no conspiracy or "unnecessary evil"-ness about the Turians, and there will never be. Because... oh, let's just say I'm with Harbinger of this one.
Because it was dangerous. And its value was mostly sentimental. As for studying dangerous tech for some gain, it's a Cerberus thing. The cool aliens and even the right humans don't do that. Plus with the Asari life span, there are probably living members of the first expedition to Shanxi that ended in disaster due to the artifact and subsequent quarantine of the star system, even if such an expedition took place hundreds years ago.
My only statement at this point is that until we see later issues either explain or write it off, the information presented to us implies premeditation on the part of the Hierarchy, which makes them look unnecessarily evil. But as this is TIM's story, I can just chalk it up to Unreliable Narration.
Lol.
So touchy.
But don't worry, there is no conspiracy or "unnecessary evil"-ness about the Turians, and there will never be. Because... oh, let's just say I'm with Harbinger of this one.
<_<
Why anyone tries to argue with you is beyond me. Oh lets make a snarky off hand comment about turians being primitive just because we can, not because it carries any relevance to this conspiracy idea.
Just once I want this guy to actually make sense. You cant argue your points here and it shows. Just back out of threads you cant win, because playing devils advocate just because you're always on your knees for Cerberus just makes you look like a fool. <3
Because it was dangerous. And its value was mostly sentimental. As for studying dangerous tech for some gain, it's a Cerberus thing. The cool aliens and even the right humans don't do that. Plus with the Asari life span, there are probably living members of the first expedition to Shanxi that ended in disaster due to the artifact and subsequent quarantine of the star system, even if such an expedition took place hundreds years ago.
My only statement at this point is that until we see later issues either explain or write it off, the information presented to us implies premeditation on the part of the Hierarchy, which makes them look unnecessarily evil. But as this is TIM's story, I can just chalk it up to Unreliable Narration.
Lol.
So touchy.
But don't worry, there is no conspiracy or "unnecessary evil"-ness about the Turians, and there will never be. Because... oh, let's just say I'm with Harbinger of this one.
Why anyone tries to argue with you is beyond me. Oh lets make a snarky off hand comment about turians being primitive just because we can, not because it carries any relevance to this conspiracy idea.
Just once I want this guy to actually make sense. You cant argue your points here and it shows. Just back out of threads you cant win, because playing devils advocate just because you're always on your knees for Cerberus just makes you look like a fool. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]
The artifact reminds me of that quest with the "machine cultists" husks.
About the comic, I get the idea Walters rather contradicts established lore to fit his story rather than the other way around. Very worrying. We already knew the turian(s) in charge was a jerkass from ME1, but the artifact and Xanshi being closed really feel like forcing the issue.
There's nothing touchy about it. It feels very odd that the comics are doing such a shift in terms of portraying the different races. Not to mention again, flying in the face of canon.
y do so many people allways scream "PLOT HOLE", ITS THE FIRST FREAKING ISSUE.
im suprised bioware still makes anything ME related. if so many of u think that the ME universe is so bad and full of holes....stop playing, posting, and just move on. I happen to love ME and everything about it. constuctive criticism is great and all, but if u got to hate on everything they put out then what is the point.
y not wait till the last issue befor saying they F'd it all up.
There's nothing touchy about it. It feels very odd that the comics are doing such a shift in terms of portraying the different races. Not to mention again, flying in the face of canon.
I didn't notice any such shift. To me, the Turians were always the bad guys who attaked and killed Humans for no obvious reasons.
Getting "an artifact" involved in the story is just to make the plot spinning, while the real goal of the story is to show us TIM's identity, plus a few long-asked-for bonuses: turian females, turian husks (I'd like to see a turian biotic as well). I don't think Mac Walters made a major retcon there, that's why I expect the artifact and all meaningful evidence to be destroyed in the end.
The only real bad moment it the Issue 1 is where Jack and Ben are drawn to fire at the husks with "both barrels" of their weapons. But that's not exactlry a plot hole, is it?
Indeed, there is still three more issues to go that may reveal more or very well will not, we don't know yet. Some folk seem quick/prone to "Bioware, why have you betrayed me!?!?"
y do so many people allways scream "PLOT HOLE", ITS THE FIRST FREAKING ISSUE.
im suprised bioware still makes anything ME related. if so many of u think that the ME universe is so bad and full of holes....stop playing, posting, and just move on. I happen to love ME and everything about it. constuctive criticism is great and all, but if u got to hate on everything they put out then what is the point.
y not wait till the last issue befor saying they F'd it all up.
The only real problem in the whole series is Mass Efect 2, that brough about one major retcon (thermal clips), quite a few immersion breaking artistic ideas (boobs in space), and several really big plot holes, most of which don't have any thing to do with the rest of the series and are meant only to "amp things up" for the stand alone ME2 player.
In my mind if the council races knew about Shanxi before the first contact war, then the presence of the artifact and trying to stay away from it would explain why a garden world had went uncolonized. Not knowing that another intelligent race was going to come in from another region would explain why they didn't patrol it that often.
Also, I'm not sold on him having reaper eye syndrome. Yes, the picture shows his eyes glowing, with something coming out of them, but you don't see a shot with him having his current eyes. It may end up being reaper tech but it seems a valid outcome to me.
The artifact reminds me of that quest with the "machine cultists" husks.
About the comic, I get the idea Walters rather contradicts established lore to fit his story rather than the other way around. Very worrying. We already knew the turian(s) in charge was a jerkass from ME1, but the artifact and Xanshi being closed really feel like forcing the issue.
It's well grounded, too, given the omissions and changes the PS3 comic made to ME1.
It's clear that you are just trying to get a rise out of me, and that's fine. I mean, you obviously have this strange idea of what constitutes canon, which doesn't match up with anyone or anything else, Zulu. So you can go ahead and continue having this strange worldview. I'll discuss Evolution this folks who are actually willing to have a legitimate debate on the subject.
Took a look back at the comic and have now realized the Husks muscle mass is near twice the size, their legs are as thick as a krogans arm. Found this sort of odd when human husk's looked like starved zombies.
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