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[samagent]

 I just got the new comic book and read it yesterday. I started to brake everything down today when I was at work. I also just got done reading the third book. During the First Contact War, the Illusive Man or Jack finds a dragons tooth (this is what the Geth used in the first game to make Husks.) This dragons tooth was a little different though, the subject didn't have to get spiked to turn into a Husk, the subject just had to get close enough and this energy would hit the subject and the change would happen. Now according to the third book Husks are really under reaper control. The Reapers take control over the subjects body, they see what the subject sees, so in a way the Husks are Reapers. Now Jack's partner started to get zapped by the dragons tooth and was fully hit, but Jack tried to push him out of the way and got some back lash. After he got hit, his eyes changed into what we know his eyes look like today. So the Jack is really part Reaper.

Just thought you would all like to know.

*Side thoughts* What will Jack become in the third game, Will he push his reaper tech even further or even test it on himself? Will he be the key to defeating the Reapers in the third game? Let me know what you think.

[JRCHOharry]

Could you take the massive bloody spoiler out of the thread title please?

Modifié par JRCHOharry, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:13 .

[samagent]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Could you take the massive bloody spoiler out of the thread title please?

Then Maybe you should read the forum that says "Mass Effect 1 & 2 Character and Fan Creations (Spoiler allowed)"

[belwin]

samagent wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Could you take the massive bloody spoiler out of the thread title please?

Then Maybe you should read the forum that says "Mass Effect 1 & 2 Character and Fan Creations (Spoiler allowed)"

doesn't mean you have to spoil things in titles imo.
common courtousy to let people CHOOSE is nice.

also,
i read a fanfic where something like this happens.
second time i've seen it proven.

[samagent]

I see your point Belwin, but this is still all me just putting pieces together, I don't really know if it's really true or not.

[belwin]

samagent wrote...

I see your point Belwin, but this is still all me just putting pieces together, I don't really know if it's really true or not.

it'd be interesting i do admit.

[Obadiah]

Well I haven't read the comic, but from the description given it sounds to me that the Illusive Man is just partially indoctrinated, not an actual reaper.

I wouldn't be surprise though to find out resurrected Shep is part reaper.

Modifié par Obadiah, 21 janvier 2011 - 01:55 .

[Vanguard1219]

For what it's worth, Reaper tech or not, I sincerely doubt that TIM is indoctrinated. If he was I doubt that the Reapers would compel him to bring Shepard back from the dead after Harbinger went through the trouble of using the Collectors to kill him off and then hunt down his/her body just to make sure (s)he was dead.



Just a thought.

[Obadiah]

The whole Let's-bring-Shep-back-because-only-he-can-save-us is pretty silly, UNLESS The Illusive Man was subtly being influenced by indoctrination, and was inadvertently responding to the motivations of the Reapers controlling the Collectors.

Modifié par Obadiah, 21 janvier 2011 - 02:00 .

[Sashimi_taco]

It doesn't really make sense to me that he would be a reaper though. It does give me the excuse to cut ties with cerberus though.

[Bootsykk]

samagent wrote...

 I just got the new comic book and read it yesterday. I started to brake everything down today when I was at work. I also just got done reading the third book. During the First Contact War, the Illusive Man or Jack finds a dragons tooth (this is what the Geth used in the first game to make Husks.) This dragons tooth was a little different though, the subject didn't have to get spiked to turn into a Husk, the subject just had to get close enough and this energy would hit the subject and the change would happen. Now according to the third book Husks are really under reaper control. The Reapers take control over the subjects body, they see what the subject sees, so in a way the Husks are Reapers. Now Jack's partner started to get zapped by the dragons tooth and was fully hit, but Jack tried to push him out of the way and got some back lash. After he got hit, his eyes changed into what we know his eyes look like today. So the Jack is really part Reaper.

Just thought you would all like to know.

*Side thoughts* What will Jack become in the third game, Will he push his reaper tech even further or even test it on himself? Will he be the key to defeating the Reapers in the third game? Let me know what you think.

He's not a reaper. And I doubt he ever will be.
There's a reason why he's doing experiments out the wazoo with communication between the geth and humans, human+reaper hybrids, etc, etc. Likely is that he's trying to work with what he's got, find a way to control it, and see if he can use it to his advantage.

I am almost positive he will be *a* key in defeating the reapers. He knows more about them then pretty much anyone, and not to mention that even with the entire galaxy full blast on the reapers... organic life is completely and totally f*cked over. They are screwed. It took massive firepower to take out even ONE reaper, but from the trailers and ending, there are at very least ten of them (understatement)--they could blow the citadel to bits for kicks and giggles if they wanted. In order to defeat them, Shepard is going to need to find out how they work somehow, and discover a key to defeating them--which most likely will be taken from Cerberus, by force or by other means.

[PiEman]

I kept thinking something like this throughout ME2, but kept hitting a wall: why the hell would the Reapers bring Shepard back to life just to kill him again?

[JRCHOharry]

samagent wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Could you take the massive bloody spoiler out of the thread title please?

Then Maybe you should read the forum that says "Mass Effect 1 & 2 Character and Fan Creations (Spoiler allowed)"

You are allowed spoilers in the description, not the title. So "Illusive Man's true identity revealed" is good, nobody is spoiled.
Maybe you'd like to take a look at this thread for more details.

[samagent]

PiEman wrote...

I kept thinking something like this throughout ME2, but kept hitting a wall: why the hell would the Reapers bring Shepard back to life just to kill him again?

I don't think he's fully a Reaper, I think only some parts of him were "changed." In the comic the subjects that were changed look more like Saren (at the end of the first game.)

Which would make me think that the Reapers can see what he sees and that's scarey.

[samagent]

JRCHOharry wrote...

samagent wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Could you take the massive bloody spoiler out of the thread title please?

Then Maybe you should read the forum that says "Mass Effect 1 & 2 Character and Fan Creations (Spoiler allowed)"

You are allowed spoilers in the description, not the title. So "Illusive Man's true identity revealed" is good, nobody is spoiled.
Maybe you'd like to take a look at this thread for more details.

Ok you just need to stop being a baby.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

What new comic? And where can I get it?

[samagent]

Hopefully your local comic book store and it came out on the 19th.



I think my title was a little misleading, I believe that TIM is only part Reaper not all the way like Grayson (he's a main chacater from the books, TIM tested Reaper tech on him and he really turned into a husk.) I believe Jack is still Jack, but he may be sending information to the Reapers, maybe that's why that wanted humans so badly.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

My town doesn't have comic book stores; do you know where I can get it online?

[Frangible]

I don't know that the comics are canon, but the books certainly are.



In ME: Retribution (the novel, taking place after ME2) Cerberus is almost completely destroyed, and it's pretty obvious that the Illusive Man is not a Reaper from his experiments with, and failure to control, captured Reaper technology. It's shown the Illusive Man is quite human, and very much mortal, almost dying in a Turian raid. A far cry from "THIS BODY DOES NOT MATTER" and "THE FLESH IS A MACHINE" (amongst others of Harbinger's Darth-Vaderisms)



I don't think Cerberus will have a significant role in the third game -- they get pretty much wiped out in the book.



If keeping the Collector base mattered, they'd have to write two different plots to the game. Same thing with the Rachni Queen in ME2-- killing her or saving her in ME1 didn't matter. The only difference was a minor NPC that did not significantly change things.



Same thing with the autistic dude in Operation Overlord. Or the Quarians going to war or being peaceful with the Geth. Or rewriting the Geth, or destroying them. Any time you have a choice, it means that the impact of whatever you do will be at most, an email on your terminal or 30-second NPC conversation.



So while you might think saving the Collector base, allowing Overlord to continue its research, and being on good terms with the Illusive Man might give you a leg up with a stronger Cerberus, it won't. I bet you'll get a nice rah-rah email from the Illusive Man, though.

[eyrjedi]

Very interesting. My own theory was he had found some reaper technology to regain or improve his vision.

[skinnyhunt05]

The second comic of the series is out just thought id update this to say that he is part husk! I'll never have the same experience in Mass Effect 2 now. I'll always just think about the reaper tech in him and think, "whats your angle?"