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[CmdrShepardsGirl]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

CmdrShepardsGirl wrote...

Melindil wrote...

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

Babyblue wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Quick on the draw with the antagonism there.

I apologise, it's just been incredibly frustrainting since ME2 for us Ash and Kaidan fans.

Its been a year.....time to let those wounds heal by getting over it

Oh, I'm sorry.  I didn't realize that wanting to see equal treatment of the fans and the characters was an issue.  You've shown me the light, dude.  Thanks. 

lol yeah I ceratinly 2nd that Melindil =) I loved the fact that my male Shepard could have his reunion with Liara in LOTSB (which I loved btw ) but we Kaidan/Ashley fans are just asking the same

LOTSB wasn't MADE for Liara fans. It was primarily about the Shadow Broker, and how that will tie into ME3. The Liara reunion was simply a bonus to a DLC based on the Shadow Broker. I really can't see how Kaidan or Ash can play a role as big as Liara at the end of LOTSB, therefore i don't think they deserve their own DLC.

Asking for a DLC just to bed Ash is stupid, there needs to be a much bigger overarching plot going on, which i can't see Ash or Kaidan being involved in.

Mmmm I think you've misread my comment there I know very well that LOTSB was in fact about well Duuuh the Shadow Broker  I'm saying that it was a nice touch that you had the option to carry your romance over into ME2 with Liara and its not just to bed Ashley/Kaidan personally I'd like more dialogue options when it comes to the LI's its just I know there was a hell of alot of people slightly disappointed with the "reunion" on Horizon it'd just be nice to see where or how your former teammates will fit into ME3 sort of a way to bridge the gap in between games.

[KingDan97]

theriddlen wrote...

Babyblue wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Quick on the draw with the antagonism there.

I apologise, it's just been incredibly frustrainting since ME2 for us Ash and Kaidan fans.

Both of them? 

Haha, is funny because they not very compelling!

[Phaedon]

Babli wrote...
I lol'd

I assume that you have played the second game and recognize the quote, so I'll just conclude that you love whining and criticizing people and leave it there.

[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...

Babli wrote...
I lol'd

So I'll just conclude that you love whining and criticizing people and leave it there.

I´m sure you do.

[thatbwoyblu]

Ashley FTW

[mineralica]

I finally found the podast dedicated to theme I'm willing to hear about. Thanks for improving my English

And I never thought Chris Priestly has such pleasant voice.

[Art3m]

mineralica wrote...

I finally found the podast dedicated to theme I'm willing to hear about. Thanks for improving my English
And I never thought Chris Priestly has such pleasant voice.

Big people are always kind and pleasant:)

[mineralica]

Art3mShepard wrote...

mineralica wrote...

I finally found the podast dedicated to theme I'm willing to hear about. Thanks for improving my English
And I never thought Chris Priestly has such pleasant voice.

Big people are always kind and pleasant:)

Откуда такие факты?:innocent:
Edit: ah, found the reason of that statement.

Modifié par mineralica, 22 janvier 2011 - 10:43 .

[Funkcase]

KingDan97 wrote...

theriddlen wrote...

Babyblue wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Quick on the draw with the antagonism there.

I apologise, it's just been incredibly frustrainting since ME2 for us Ash and Kaidan fans.

Both of them? 

Haha, is funny because they not very compelling!

That's your opinion, they made the ME2 squadmates look like crap (imo)

[Geirahod]

With the all respect, I must say that ME1 was a excellent game, awesome history, characters well developed, things that I can't say about ME2, poor history (more focused on the new companions than about the reapers/collectors stuff, and I didn't like that, the game went to other unimportant things like helping the crew with his revenge/son/father/recovering memories of a dead boyfriend/daughter/sister/etc..., stuff...It was totally boring to do that kind of stuff (funny but boring sometimes), I would have liked to see more things involving the reapers and the collectors.
I can't say that buying the game was a waste of money (because ME2 is a good game somehow), but I don't know...I still think that ME1 is the best game of that type.

At least for me ME1 is the most awesome of the 2 games so far and I just hope they do a better job with ME3 and if they are going to include new characters, please...try to not make more helping missions about family things.

I'm a big fan of kaidan, but everyone has the right to say whatever they want but with respect....there's a lot of mean users around here....I would like to remind them about that little word called RESPECT.


That's all...

Modifié par Geirahod, 22 janvier 2011 - 11:04 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I seriously tried to read 8 pages of the posts here. I really did. But by the time I got to page five I nearly raged.



Thanks for nearly giving me an aneurysm guys.

[Naemi79]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's try to keep it on topic, please, folks.

This

[KingDan97]

Funkcase wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

theriddlen wrote...

Babyblue wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Quick on the draw with the antagonism there.

I apologise, it's just been incredibly frustrainting since ME2 for us Ash and Kaidan fans.

Both of them? 

Haha, is funny because they not very compelling!

That's your opinion, they made the ME2 squadmates look like crap (imo)

I was joking. And Metacritic would disagree.

[Valcutio]

Seriously, they should just remove any and all mention of Kaidan and Ashley from ME3. If we all pretend they didn't exist... they didn't exist! Also, Jacob. Kaidan, Ashley and Jacob - never happened.



Then Bioware can focus more on Tali, Miranda and Liara. Yay! Everyone is happy.

[Xeranx]

implodinggoat wrote...

First of all thanks to Mac for taking the time to do this podcast.  As a fan of the series I appreciate it when the writers and developers take the time to throw the fans some tidbits even if its done with the intent of marketing which is understandable since a developer that didn't want to sell games wouldn't last very long.


RE: Mass Effect Genesis.

I just watched a vid of the Genesis Comic for the PS3 version and I actually thought it was pretty good.  Granted, it does skip over a lot of important stuff, doesn't do much to flesh out the characters and assumes many decisions by Shepard.  But; I think those limitations were neccessary.

The comic takes about 15 minutes to go through as it is and frankly making it long enough to fully convey the greatness of ME:1 isn't possible much less feasible.  PS3 players picked up ME2 to play a game not watch a story and making the comic longer would only make them wait longer to play the awesome game that they paid for.

My only real critique was the dialogue presented to the player before the Rachni decision doesn't properly convey the fact that killing the Rachni Queen entails damning her entire species to extinction and makes it seem like killing her is the obvious answer as opposed to the tricky moral decision it was in ME1.


RE:  Mac Walters Vs. Drew Karpashyn.

Like all writers Mac Walters has his strengths and weaknesses. 

When it comes to creating memorable characters with great dialogue (including my personal favorite character Wrex) and writing short self contained narratives like the loyalty missions in ME2 Mac is great.  This shows in ME2 as the game is filled with more memorable minor characters and side missions than ME1 and driven by generally superior dialogue than the dialogue in ME1. 

Don't get me wrong the dialogue in ME1 was great; but Karpashyn's focus on driving the central narrative and fleshing out his setting left some characters underdeveloped while in ME2 every character feels like they have their own unique personality even if they're only around for a single scene.  Consider Tali for example in ME1 she had a likeable; but undeveloped personality and had most of her dialogue dedicated to explaining Quarian culture, physiology, or politics.  In contrast Tali's personality in ME2 is much deeper and more intriguing and the plotline itself does a brilliant job of exploring Quarian culture and politics by having Shepard get involved in both.   

However; when it comes to writing an overarcing narrative which holds your interest and stays true to the established personalities and motivations of existing characters or organizations he needs some improvement.  Karpashyn's ME1 storyline kept your interest by giving the player an ancient mystery which they slowly unraveled through their own decisions.  In contrast the ME2 storyline feels disjointed and leaves the player with the feeling that they aren't in control of their own destiny and presents Shepard as a powerless puppet of the Illusive Man rather than the biggest badass in the galaxy.   Mass Effect 2 further exacerbates this feeling of powerlessness by presenting conflicts with allies from Mass Effect 1 (the council, the alliance, Ash, Kaiden and Liara) while giving the player no way to attempt to resolve these problems in order to reinforce Shepard's bizzare alliance with Cerberus. 

This brings us to Mass Effect 2's other major writing flaw namely the lack of fidelity to established characters and organizations.  Granted people do change over time; but as a writer if you're going to have a character or organization change it's personality or behavior you have to show that change taking place.  Yet the ME2 plot is driven by an organization which was presented as a completely amoral and xenophobic terrorist organization in ME1; but which has apparently transformed itself to such an extent between ME1 and ME2 that it manages to assemble an entire crew of sane decent people including Joker and Dr. Chakwas.  Worse still are the bizzarre and extremely unpleasant changes imposed on Liara and Shepard's characters.  While Liara's out of character obsession is the most glaring, drastic, and poorly explained transformation in ME2; Shepard's transformation from antiauthoritarian badass to timid Cerberus errand boy/girl does far more to weaken the central narrative.

In conclusion I think Mac is a very good writer; but he needs to show more discipline in his writing.  If Mac can take greater care to ensure that existing characters stay in character and craft a storyline which holds the player's interest and leaves them feeling as though Shepard is indeed in control of his own destiny then I think Mass Effect 3 could have the best storyline of any game I've ever played.  But; if Mac doesn't show a bit more discipline in his writing then I'm probably going to lament once again over how much greater Mass Effect 1's story was.

Thank you for this post.  With all the braying going on I'm glad we get a few gems that show what some people are really on about when they talk about writing (narrative) in ME2 and why we want to know/learn more about why the ME team took the direction they did.  That's it.  That's all.

[syllogi]

Valcutio wrote...

Seriously, they should just remove any and all mention of Kaidan and Ashley from ME3. If we all pretend they didn't exist... they didn't exist! Also, Jacob. Kaidan, Ashley and Jacob - never happened.

Then Bioware can focus more on Tali, Miranda and Liara. Yay! Everyone is happy.

Gasp!  Mac Walters, I thought you didn't post on the BSN!!!  

[Fiery Phoenix]

Wow, look, Mac has an account on here!

EDIT: @imploadinggoat, that's a very thoughtful post and I agree. Both are good writers in their own way. I wish Mac would write the characters, dialogue, and sidequests while leaving the main plot for Drew, but alas.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:07 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Babli wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...
I agree that those who are hating should knock it off - but I wouldn't imply that everyone is doing it.

Its not about hating Mac Walters. It´s about really disliking the direction the story took with all these plot holes. But thats for another thread.

If it's for another thread, why did you bring it up in this thread?

<_<

[Fiery Phoenix]

AwesomeName wrote...

Wait whaaaa??

It's a joke.

[JamieCOTC]

implodinggoat wrote...

First of all thanks to Mac for taking the time to do this podcast.  As a fan of the series I appreciate it when the writers and developers take the time to throw the fans some tidbits even if its done with the intent of marketing which is understandable since a developer that didn't want to sell games wouldn't last very long.


RE: Mass Effect Genesis.

I just watched a vid of the Genesis Comic for the PS3 version and I actually thought it was pretty good.  Granted, it does skip over a lot of important stuff, doesn't do much to flesh out the characters and assumes many decisions by Shepard.  But; I think those limitations were neccessary.

The comic takes about 15 minutes to go through as it is and frankly making it long enough to fully convey the greatness of ME:1 isn't possible much less feasible.  PS3 players picked up ME2 to play a game not watch a story and making the comic longer would only make them wait longer to play the awesome game that they paid for.

My only real critique was the dialogue presented to the player before the Rachni decision doesn't properly convey the fact that killing the Rachni Queen entails damning her entire species to extinction and makes it seem like killing her is the obvious answer as opposed to the tricky moral decision it was in ME1.


RE:  Mac Walters Vs. Drew Karpashyn.

Like all writers Mac Walters has his strengths and weaknesses. 

When it comes to creating memorable characters with great dialogue (including my personal favorite character Wrex) and writing short self contained narratives like the loyalty missions in ME2 Mac is great.  This shows in ME2 as the game is filled with more memorable minor characters and side missions than ME1 and driven by generally superior dialogue than the dialogue in ME1. 

Don't get me wrong the dialogue in ME1 was great; but Karpashyn's focus on driving the central narrative and fleshing out his setting left some characters underdeveloped while in ME2 every character feels like they have their own unique personality even if they're only around for a single scene.  Consider Tali for example in ME1 she had a likeable; but undeveloped personality and had most of her dialogue dedicated to explaining Quarian culture, physiology, or politics.  In contrast Tali's personality in ME2 is much deeper and more intriguing and the plotline itself does a brilliant job of exploring Quarian culture and politics by having Shepard get involved in both.   

However; when it comes to writing an overarcing narrative which holds your interest and stays true to the established personalities and motivations of existing characters or organizations he needs some improvement.  Karpashyn's ME1 storyline kept your interest by giving the player an ancient mystery which they slowly unraveled through their own decisions.  In contrast the ME2 storyline feels disjointed and leaves the player with the feeling that they aren't in control of their own destiny and presents Shepard as a powerless puppet of the Illusive Man rather than the biggest badass in the galaxy.   Mass Effect 2 further exacerbates this feeling of powerlessness by presenting conflicts with allies from Mass Effect 1 (the council, the alliance, Ash, Kaiden and Liara) while giving the player no way to attempt to resolve these problems in order to reinforce Shepard's bizzare alliance with Cerberus. 

This brings us to Mass Effect 2's other major writing flaw namely the lack of fidelity to established characters and organizations.  Granted people do change over time; but as a writer if you're going to have a character or organization change it's personality or behavior you have to show that change taking place.  Yet the ME2 plot is driven by an organization which was presented as a completely amoral and xenophobic terrorist organization in ME1; but which has apparently transformed itself to such an extent between ME1 and ME2 that it manages to assemble an entire crew of sane decent people including Joker and Dr. Chakwas.  Worse still are the bizzarre and extremely unpleasant changes imposed on Liara and Shepard's characters.  While Liara's out of character obsession is the most glaring, drastic, and poorly explained transformation in ME2; Shepard's transformation from antiauthoritarian badass to timid Cerberus errand boy/girl does far more to weaken the central narrative.

In conclusion I think Mac is a very good writer; but he needs to show more discipline in his writing.  If Mac can take greater care to ensure that existing characters stay in character and craft a storyline which holds the player's interest and leaves them feeling as though Shepard is indeed in control of his own destiny then I think Mass Effect 3 could have the best storyline of any game I've ever played.  But; if Mac doesn't show a bit more discipline in his writing then I'm probably going to lament once again over how much greater Mass Effect 1's story was.

This entire post should be printed out and nailed on to the door of BW's central offices, the bold part especially.  Bravo!

[TheBRADLeyB]

Babyblue wrote...

Did you ask him if Ash and Kaidan fans are always gonna get treated like crap?

JESUS I'm SO SICK of hearing about Ash and Kaidan.

I'm a Kaidan fan, but I'm not out here campaigning and crying for some time to spend with Kaidan.

I guess I've just accepted the fact that Kaidan/Ash will have a part in ME3 and so I'm not going to 'Demand' add ons or claim I'm getting treated like Crap because I can't have a stupid convo with a damn Character.

ME2 has a lot of other random things that should be fixed (collapseble helmets, No level cap, More RPG, Ammo System all JACKED up) over some stupid Character Interaction. (which you do get at the Colony)

[Babyblue]

TheBRADLeyB wrote...

Babyblue wrote...

Did you ask him if Ash and Kaidan fans are always gonna get treated like crap?

JESUS I'm SO SICK of hearing about Ash and Kaidan.

I'm a Kaidan fan, but I'm not out here campaigning and crying for some time to spend with Kaidan.

I guess I've just accepted the fact that Kaidan/Ash will have a part in ME3 and so I'm not going to 'Demand' add ons or claim I'm getting treated like Crap because I can't have a stupid convo with a damn Character.

ME2 has a lot of other random things that should be fixed (collapseble helmets, No level cap, More RPG, Ammo System all JACKED up) over some stupid Character Interaction. (which you do get at the Colony)

First things first, I didn't ''demand'' anything. and I believe I  appologised for my negative comment, due to being frustrated, as I had just seen how Ash and Kaidan got treated bad again, in the PS3 comic. And since ME2 Ash and Kaidan fans ain't had anything, yet everyone else has.

Maybe you haven't seen the ME2 PS3 comic? Where they spelt Kaidan wrong! Where they called Ash a ''good soldier'' and Kaidan a ''good kid'' yet called Liara a ''intelligent, beautiful, women'' some obvious favouritism there. And we had two close-ups of Liara, and Kaidan and Ash were just in the background, even if you picked them. This is disappointing, as it ain't gonna bring Ash and Kaidan any new fans. 

Or the Kasumi and Liara dlc? Where all Shepards love interests get mentioned by Kasumi, excpet for Ash and Kaidan, and where you can say you are fighting for Shepard LI in LotSB, except for Ash and Kaidan again, they only get mentioned by Liara in a negative way.

And Horizon was so horribly written, it ain't worth talking about.

And I play RPG's for the characters, and the story, I dont care about the stats.

Modifié par Babyblue, 23 janvier 2011 - 08:51 .