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[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Kane-Corr wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

Ok so I have a question for all you upset persons.
Would you rather have the Dev's talk to you about their unfinished game, spending unneccessary time here with us...or would you rather them put 110% effort into Mass 3?

There we go.

That is not the issue, if you want a good game it takes time to develop, most companies now just want to release their main titles and leave us with unfinished games or with features cutted out, do you want that?

Uh...yeah...that....is...what...I'm....saying! LET THE DEVS WORK ON MASS EFFECT 3! YOU PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND....BIOWARE ALREADY ASKED FOR OUR INPUT ABOUT MASS EFFECT 3.
You all just missed the train by a few months. AND, what do you think the Devs are doing....twiddling their thumbs? Give me a break, and give them a break as well while your at it. Your being extremely impatient/picky and disrespectful in some manner as well.

I am pretty sure that they all are not working on ME3 24 hours a day and seven days a week. When any of them have day off or when they get out of work everyday could go and check on their fan base and give us some info. It doesn't have to be epically revealing or anything, just check in and talk with us, or give hint at things. That way we know they actually care.

Modifié par Mr_Commander_Shepard, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:30 .

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

Kane-Corr wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

Ok so I have a question for all you upset persons.
Would you rather have the Dev's talk to you about their unfinished game, spending unneccessary time here with us...or would you rather them put 110% effort into Mass 3?

There we go.

That is not the issue, if you want a good game it takes time to develop, most companies now just want to release their main titles and leave us with unfinished games or with features cutted out, do you want that?

Uh...yeah...that....is...what...I'm....saying! LET THE DEVS WORK ON MASS EFFECT 3! YOU PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND....BIOWARE ALREADY ASKED FOR OUR INPUT ABOUT MASS EFFECT 3.
You all just missed the train by a few months. AND, what do you think the Devs are doing....twiddling their thumbs? Give me a break, and give them a break as well while your at it. Your being extremely impatient/picky and disrespectful in some manner as well.

You went all off topic with ME3 in your posts, no one is asking anything here!!! we are talking about developer feeback jeeez man just quit your mission now ok..

Modifié par MoonChildTheUnholy, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:35 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

Ok so I have a question for all you upset persons.
Would you rather have the Dev's talk to you about their unfinished game, spending unneccessary time here with us...or would you rather them put 110% effort into Mass 3?

There we go.

That is not the issue, if you want a good game it takes time to develop, most companies now just want to release their main titles and leave us with unfinished games or with features cutted out, do you want that?

Uh...yeah...that....is...what...I'm....saying! LET THE DEVS WORK ON MASS EFFECT 3! YOU PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND....BIOWARE ALREADY ASKED FOR OUR INPUT ABOUT MASS EFFECT 3.
You all just missed the train by a few months. AND, what do you think the Devs are doing....twiddling their thumbs? Give me a break, and give them a break as well while your at it. Your being extremely impatient/picky and disrespectful in some manner as well.

You went all off topic with ME3 in your posts, no one is asking anything here!!! we are talking about developer feeback jeeez man just quit your mission now ok..

this is on topic, we are talking about devs talking in forums. Glad you understand.

[Kane-Corr]

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

Ok so I have a question for all you upset persons.
Would you rather have the Dev's talk to you about their unfinished game, spending unneccessary time here with us...or would you rather them put 110% effort into Mass 3?

There we go.

That is not the issue, if you want a good game it takes time to develop, most companies now just want to release their main titles and leave us with unfinished games or with features cutted out, do you want that?

Uh...yeah...that....is...what...I'm....saying! LET THE DEVS WORK ON MASS EFFECT 3! YOU PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND....BIOWARE ALREADY ASKED FOR OUR INPUT ABOUT MASS EFFECT 3.
You all just missed the train by a few months. AND, what do you think the Devs are doing....twiddling their thumbs? Give me a break, and give them a break as well while your at it. Your being extremely impatient/picky and disrespectful in some manner as well.

You went all off topic with ME3 in your posts, no one is asking anything here!!! we are talking about developer feeback jeeez man just quit your mission now ok..

Ok...well, "feeback" was already given to the Devs a long time ago...so your late.

AND, my posts ARE relevant, BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE DEVS WILL NOT POST UNLESS IT IS ABOUT A GAME.

I love how all of you think you are entitled to some kind of informant role. We are the customers, not Developers. Yeah, they listen...but are they going to listen forever? NO. That time already passed friend, so give up your little game. I'm simply here to tell you that your efforts are being wasted somewhat. If you were here a few months ago, then great, you would have been here for the party...but now, I'm sorry, your late my friend.

[Ryzaki]

Mash Mashington wrote...

All love interests are equal, that is all you need to know

Yeah all love interest are equal and the sun is secretely a flamboyant pink.

[Kane-Corr]

And also...These threads were packed enough throughout the year that every idea you can imagine to put into the third game has already been thought of, and recycled numerous amounts of times...



Yeah, it would be nice if the devs could "chat" for awhile....yay. But, they have lives, and they have jobs (Mass Effect 3)...some things supercede the forum, you know?

[Black_Warden]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Relevantname wrote...

I'm very new here, but relativley, based on my experience on the other forums i've been on and such, the dev presence in this forum alone (the only one i've visited) is absolutely huge. And from what i gather the dev presence in the DA forum is even bigger.

On the issue of the consumers expressing their anger, i do think it's a bit of a cop-out to say that we're too confrontational.
Of course, you're always going to have the 6-year old who is raging that his ridiculous needs were not satisfied, and the troll who enjoys....trolling, but on the whole (Again, i may be completely and utterly wrong, as i said, i'm very new here) the community here seems fairly mature and able to express their views fairly.
Also, at the end of the day, few people side with the 6-year old or the troll, so it's not as if the dev in question would be hopelessly outnumbered by morons.

However, as i said, the dev presence here seems massive. I don't think you appreciate how lucky you are, the very fact that a dev (Uhmmm, someone "woo"?) has actually posted in this thread says a lot, even if it was as an individual, and not as a dev, per se. That doesn't make a lot of sense.... xD

Sorry, i'm pretty bad at long-ass posts (Yeah, this is long-ass for me), but hopefully you all see my point :S


Edit: To sum up, you're all lucky in this regard already. Stfu and sit down. The devs shouldn't make excuses for not maintaining an even bigger presence.



Omg, im tired, i havent made any sense. Bye

in DA forums yeah but i have never seen a Dev in any forum iv'e been in ever, and Stanley Woo is  a moderator so before you go around stating things make sure you get your facts straight. The Mass Effect Community has been ignored far to long.

 speaking of getting your facts straight. stan isn't just a moderator. He's in QA (the head of QA actually, IIRC). so, yeah, pot calling the kettle black and all that.

[Legbiter]

Not every developer can be David Gaider. Also, between the single-issue obsessives (PLOT HOLE...) and the Talimancers, it's hard sometimes not to walk away with the feeling that a significant chunk of the forum posters would benefit from being melted into biodiesel.

[Aigyl]

The devs have no obligation to come here and post. It's swell if they do, but the DA team who post should be treated as the exception, not the rule. Just because devs such as Gaider and Laidlaw post on the DA forums that does not mean there should be any demand or expectation that devs from the ME team post on the forums.

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

Kane-Corr wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

Ok so I have a question for all you upset persons.
Would you rather have the Dev's talk to you about their unfinished game, spending unneccessary time here with us...or would you rather them put 110% effort into Mass 3?

There we go.

That is not the issue, if you want a good game it takes time to develop, most companies now just want to release their main titles and leave us with unfinished games or with features cutted out, do you want that?

Uh...yeah...that....is...what...I'm....saying! LET THE DEVS WORK ON MASS EFFECT 3! YOU PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND....BIOWARE ALREADY ASKED FOR OUR INPUT ABOUT MASS EFFECT 3.
You all just missed the train by a few months. AND, what do you think the Devs are doing....twiddling their thumbs? Give me a break, and give them a break as well while your at it. Your being extremely impatient/picky and disrespectful in some manner as well.

You went all off topic with ME3 in your posts, no one is asking anything here!!! we are talking about developer feeback jeeez man just quit your mission now ok..

Ok...well, "feeback" was already given to the Devs a long time ago...so your late.

AND, my posts ARE relevant, BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE DEVS WILL NOT POST UNLESS IT IS ABOUT A GAME.

I love how all of you think you are entitled to some kind of informant role. We are the customers, not Developers. Yeah, they listen...but are they going to listen forever? NO. That time already passed friend, so give up your little game. I'm simply here to tell you that your efforts are being wasted somewhat. If you were here a few months ago, then great, you would have been here for the party...but now, I'm sorry, your late my friend.

I have been here along time now and i´m not late on anything, omg just leave it at that.

[Piecake]

rynluna wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
you can say what you like. i'm not promising anything. Developers are free to participate if they like, and free to stay away if they like. They do this on their own time, so if they have too much work, or prefer to do other things, that's their prerogative. No one can force devs to come in here and chat with y'all.

And based on some of the confrontational and abusive attitudes i've seen in this community from a very vocal and agitated few, I don't blame developers for preferring to stay away.

One can only hope that we will hear more from the devs closer to ME3 release time.  As for the bolded part, Bioware is a company and not every single person is going to agree with the direction that you guys are heading.  As customers, people have a right to complain especially when they keep getting shafted. 

I'm not the most hardcore Ashley and Kaidan fan but I think it's not a good business practice to keep making mistakes with these characters all this time and to stay hush hush after the latest misshaps.  These fans have been your faithful customers since ME1 was released and I completely understand the anger that has been generated lately.  Since no one has been talking to these folks, of course they are going to storm a thread created by one of your Bioware representitives. 

You guys are also being awfully sensitive when it comes to having your feelings hurt over the things that are said about your work.  I agree that there should be more constructive conversation but that's not always going to happen.  Like I said, ya'll are a public company with paying customers that keep you with a paying job so be prepared for not always getting praise.

*equips heavy duty flameshield*  I think I'm gonna need it.

He is not saying that people can't complain or voice their concerns, and there will always be people who disagree with decisions.  You can't please everyone.  The problem is how people voice their concerns.  It comes down to simple etiquette.  If you have complaints you should present those in a respectful, reasoned, and constructive manner, if not just for the simple reason that developers are a lot more likely to pay attention to criticism like that.  If I was a developer and a bunch of people here were calling me a sell-out, the game rushed, or it is bioware's attempt to pander to the invisible 'masses', and abandoning their 'true' rpg roots then I doubt I'd want to post here either.  Too many people use speculation, assumptions, insults, and attach values to preferences in their posts.

As for your own post, it is not nearly as bad as some, but you come off as entitled, and seem to think that Bioware owes you Kaiden and Ashley content.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Black_Warden wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Relevantname wrote...

I'm very new here, but relativley, based on my experience on the other forums i've been on and such, the dev presence in this forum alone (the only one i've visited) is absolutely huge. And from what i gather the dev presence in the DA forum is even bigger.

On the issue of the consumers expressing their anger, i do think it's a bit of a cop-out to say that we're too confrontational.
Of course, you're always going to have the 6-year old who is raging that his ridiculous needs were not satisfied, and the troll who enjoys....trolling, but on the whole (Again, i may be completely and utterly wrong, as i said, i'm very new here) the community here seems fairly mature and able to express their views fairly.
Also, at the end of the day, few people side with the 6-year old or the troll, so it's not as if the dev in question would be hopelessly outnumbered by morons.

However, as i said, the dev presence here seems massive. I don't think you appreciate how lucky you are, the very fact that a dev (Uhmmm, someone "woo"?) has actually posted in this thread says a lot, even if it was as an individual, and not as a dev, per se. That doesn't make a lot of sense.... xD

Sorry, i'm pretty bad at long-ass posts (Yeah, this is long-ass for me), but hopefully you all see my point :S


Edit: To sum up, you're all lucky in this regard already. Stfu and sit down. The devs shouldn't make excuses for not maintaining an even bigger presence.



Omg, im tired, i havent made any sense. Bye

in DA forums yeah but i have never seen a Dev in any forum iv'e been in ever, and Stanley Woo is  a moderator so before you go around stating things make sure you get your facts straight. The Mass Effect Community has been ignored far to long.

 speaking of getting your facts straight. stan isn't just a moderator. He's in QA (the head of QA actually, IIRC). so, yeah, pot calling the kettle black and all that.

So what does that have to do with what we were talking about? You could say would he is also a part time fast food chef, i was saying he is not a dev,. idc what else he does. No offense to Stanley woo at all.

[Black_Warden]

i'm not going to involve myself in either side of this ... discussion.... i was just pointing out that you said Woo is just a moderator, and then told relevantname to get his facts straight when you yourself had your facts wrong.

[Lumikki]

Chignon wrote...

You are missing my point entirely it seems.

And as I said before, noone is demanding anything; they are simply asking for answers to questions they have asked again and again. Of course, it is BioWare's prerogative to not answer. This, however, does not help the situation in the least.

Sorry I did not make my clear enough. They don't answer, because they can't give you any positive answer, what would make you happy. That's why they are quiet, because people are asking the questions wrong ways, judging developers decission making, what they can NEVER answer so that community would be happy. You can't help situation if the answer makes situation worst. So, it's better to be quiet and that what Bioware is doing. Why to hell else you think they are quiet?

Modifié par Lumikki, 21 janvier 2011 - 11:16 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

Lumikki has the right idea. There's really no point for Bioware being on here arguing philosophy on rpg game design. It'd be like arguing progressive and conservative political views except one side has little to no power. People on here need to realize it's Bioware's game to make and they really don't owe us anything (not even a good game). The forums are not shareholders or some EA executive. The forums are not in some collaborative creation process with the developers. We are fans who (hopefully) buy their games, that's it. Our ultimate say in this process is our dollar powers but this is after the heavy lifting of making the game is done. This is how it should be. Nothing kills the creative process like making it feel like work; making something you don't really want to make. The best way this developer/fan thing goes is this: Bioware makes the games THEY want to make and hopefully the people buy and like them.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Black_Warden wrote...

i'm not going to involve myself in either side of this ... discussion.... i was just pointing out that you said Woo is just a moderator, and then told relevantname to get his facts straight when you yourself had your facts wrong.

i was not wrong he is a moderator

[thatbwoyblu]

Keep it going guys maybe a dev would respond.Ashley FTW LOL

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Lumikki has the right idea. There's really no point for Bioware being on here arguing philosophy on rpg game design. It'd be like arguing progressive and conservative political views except one side has little to no power. People on here need to realize it's Bioware's game to make and they really don't owe us anything (not even a good game). The forums are not shareholders or some EA executive. The forums are not in some collaborative creation process with the developers. We are fans who (hopefully) buy their games, that's it. Our ultimate say in this process is our dollar powers but this is after the heavy lifting of making the game is done. This is how it should be. Nothing kills the creative process like making it feel like work; making something you don't really want to make. The best way this developer/fan thing goes is this: Bioware makes the games THEY want to make and hopefully the people buy and like them.

wrong. If i like cheese burgers but no else does, im not gonna sell them to people. im gonna ask people what they like and want. And then start from there.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

Keep it going guys maybe a dev would respond.Ashley FTW LOL

Ashley FTW<3

[Da_Lion_Man]

I think the negativity is too strong for them and they stopped caring because some people are/were being unreasonable.

I don't blame them to be honest.

[Count Viceroy]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

I think the negativity is too strong for them and they stopped caring because some people are/were being unreasonable.
I don't blame them to be honest.

I think they need to grow a thicker skin then. Being what they are and what they do.

[Piecake]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Lumikki has the right idea. There's really no point for Bioware being on here arguing philosophy on rpg game design. It'd be like arguing progressive and conservative political views except one side has little to no power. People on here need to realize it's Bioware's game to make and they really don't owe us anything (not even a good game). The forums are not shareholders or some EA executive. The forums are not in some collaborative creation process with the developers. We are fans who (hopefully) buy their games, that's it. Our ultimate say in this process is our dollar powers but this is after the heavy lifting of making the game is done. This is how it should be. Nothing kills the creative process like making it feel like work; making something you don't really want to make. The best way this developer/fan thing goes is this: Bioware makes the games THEY want to make and hopefully the people buy and like them.

wrong. If i like cheese burgers but no else does, im not gonna sell them to people. im gonna ask people what they like and want. And then start from there.

This place is not represenative of their fanbase, and most especially the gaming fanbase at large

[shinobi602]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

A while back I seen a quote from Chris saying "we are working on the VS dlc" and then he edited it in like 2 seconds.Who knows maybe i was imagining things:alien:

Do not toy with my heart

[Stanley Woo]

For the record: I am part of the QA team (not a lead in any way) on Dragon Age II. i have also been a community Moderator since 2002. Thank you.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Piecake wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Lumikki has the right idea. There's really no point for Bioware being on here arguing philosophy on rpg game design. It'd be like arguing progressive and conservative political views except one side has little to no power. People on here need to realize it's Bioware's game to make and they really don't owe us anything (not even a good game). The forums are not shareholders or some EA executive. The forums are not in some collaborative creation process with the developers. We are fans who (hopefully) buy their games, that's it. Our ultimate say in this process is our dollar powers but this is after the heavy lifting of making the game is done. This is how it should be. Nothing kills the creative process like making it feel like work; making something you don't really want to make. The best way this developer/fan thing goes is this: Bioware makes the games THEY want to make and hopefully the people buy and like them.

wrong. If i like cheese burgers but no else does, im not gonna sell them to people. im gonna ask people what they like and want. And then start from there.

This place is not represenative of their fanbase, and most especially the gaming fanbase at large

I don't understand what your saying. If your saying that these forums don't represent their fan base then you are awfully wrong.