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[Saibh]

drahelvete wrote...

Saibh wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

An amphibious assault force would not wear metal armour, and i doubt a qunari could find armour that fits in a human city (especially without being noticed).

Except the many throughout history who have. They don't need to wear their armor en route. Dock (or get close to docking), put armor on, charge!

Considering the layout of Kirkwall's harbor, they'd probably have to sneak in under a false flag (pretending to be merchants or diplomats, for instance).
It takes a very long time to put on a full suit of plate armor. Not very effective if you're launching a surprise attack. They'd get caught with their cuisses down, so to speak.

Cannot swim in armor, you say? (I'm mostly joking. Don't swim in armor, folks.)

In any case, it's a terribly poor excuse for why they're not wearing shirts. I'd of preferred "because we like it that way". Respectable answer. Plate armor only weighs, say 50-60 lbs. Seems a qunari could heft that pretty easily.  Not to mention the possibility of wearing leather armor.

[Firky]

RiskyRannis wrote...

Uh-huh.... Gills may play in their favour if they swim to Kirkwall for sure, only they would be flabergasted when they come to a fairly large conundrum when they reach land. After all being able to not suffocate on land is kind of hard when you have gills.

As far as tattoos go, I think they merely designate a soldier. It could litrally be THE "bare" minimum to show who is a soldier of the Qun.

This guy is still alive on land, isn't he?



I dunno. That thing behind his ear probably isn't gills, but what is it, dammit? It's maddening.

[Dubya75]

I think there are many reasons for these qunari warriors (if they are warriors even) not to be wearing armor.

The most obvious being because of their means of travel to get to Kirkwall.

It may also be because of their arrogance. They came to Kirkwall to slaughter the king and all who oppose them. Who needs armor for that?

Not wearing armor also makes you a lot faster.

We also know that the qunari have very thick and tough skin (like an eliphant)...OK I'm making all this stuff up.

If Mike says they swam, then they swam.

[Balitant]

Firky wrote...


I dunno. That thing behind his ear probably isn't gills, but what is it, dammit? It's maddening.

It would be a terrible ordeal if someone played the "but I'm not touching you" with their hovering finger.

Just to point out, I don't think those are gills on the swamp things head. That design is more like fins.

Saibh wrote...

Cannot swim in armor, you say? (I'm mostly joking. Don't swim in armor, folks.)

In
any case, it's a terribly poor excuse for why they're not wearing
shirts. I'd of preferred "because we like it that way". Respectable
answer. Plate armor only weighs, say 50-60 lbs. Seems a qunari could
heft that pretty easily.  Not to mention the possibility of wearing
leather armor.

I don't think Laidlaw was making an excuse, though 99.99999993% of the people that have responded to seem to think so. Though honestly, if he responded with "We like the new look so you plebians can simply live with it", would you have really been finding it as a respactable answer?

Note: "We like the new look so you plebians can simply live with it." is actually how I think most here would have read his statement if he said something like "It is the visual design that we have decided to take with the Qunari, and we are truly excited about the result".  Rather, he doesn't delve into anything deep in regards to the lack of armor. Rather I think that people here are just getting frustrated with how little they can interpret from Laidlaw's post.

Dubya75 wrote...

If Mike says they swam, then they swam.

The thing is that he did not say they swam. He didn't say anything to that affect.

Modifié par RiskyRannis, 24 janvier 2011 - 10:26 .

[Saibh]

RiskyRannis wrote...

I don't think Laidlaw was making an excuse, though 99.99999993% of the people that have responded to seem to think so.

It seems pretty serious. There isn't a whole lot of "ha ha, funny" coming from any side.

Though honestly, if he responded with "We like the new look so you plebians can simply live with it", would you have really been finding it as a respactable answer?

Absolutely. There will never be a video game where (anyone likes, that is) battle is handled realistically--I except there to be some sort of illusion of it, but armor levels generally isn't one of those. If they are shirtless to show of their cool tats, or be shock troops, or because the artists worked really hard on the Beresaads pecs, all the better.

Note: "We like the new look so you plebians can simply live with it." is actually how I think most here would have read his statement if he said something like "It is the visual design that we have decided to take with the Qunari, and we are truly excited about the result".  Rather, he doesn't delve into anything deep in regards to the lack of armor. Rather I think that people here are just getting frustrated with how little they can interpret from Laidlaw's post.

That's pretty much his standard answer for most visual changes.

[Sanguinerin]

I agree with Saibh about even if metal armor was deemed too heavy, then what about leather armor? Also, responses such as "We like the new look, deal with it" or "Yes, we put some thought into their tattoos and wanted to show them off" are better than "Steel doesn't float" because that didn't exactly stop warriors in the past from being armored on ships or carrying their armor with them on ships.

[Weevilbits]

TJPags wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yes I suppose the Qunari are incapable of changing their clothes once on land.

...That explains everything.

Changing clothes is apparently difficult in the middle of battle.

Fixed for you.

[Saibh]

Weevilbits wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yes I suppose the Qunari are incapable of changing their clothes once on land.

...That explains everything.

Changing clothes is apparently difficult in the middle of battle.

Fixed for you.

He's joking about how companions have fixed outfits, smarty pants.

[Ryzaki]

...One really shouldn't have had to explain that joke.

[Weevilbits]

Saibh wrote...

Weevilbits wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yes I suppose the Qunari are incapable of changing their clothes once on land.

...That explains everything.

Changing clothes is apparently difficult in the middle of battle.

Fixed for you.

He's joking about how companions have fixed outfits, smarty pants.

I can assure you, madame, neither you nor the hero of Kirkwall can force me to change into a less intelligent set of slacks.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Edit: HA I didn't mean it to sound like that :innocent:, but it is funny. "...with only pants and weapon in hand"

That's more than Isabela can boast.

I'm perturbed about the whole lack of armor thing myself, the Qunari are supposed to clad in glittering steel or some such in one of the Codex Entries.

You know what doesn't float? Steel. And Kirkwall's a harbor city...just saying...

That does sound like something a Qunari would think.

[blothulfur]

When an Arishok of the Qun is found wanting and his belief questioned he may choose to be stripped of his armour and painted in the markings of shame and quest until his name is held in high regard once more through acts of great merit, those who choose to stand with him believing in his innocence will suffer the same fate.

Total speculation but sounds nice.

[Thoron Draugohtar]

According to Sten.....
Sten: "Taking your past with you is like a turtle taking its shell with it."
Warden: "But that makes the turtle stronger."
Sten: "But it is also it's greatest weakness, if it rolls onto it's back it cannot turn back over."
........maybe Qunari take their wisdom a bit too far? 

Also, the quotation is a bit off, but its along those lines.

[Herr Uhl]

Maybe they couldn't get their ships into harbor, or just come there to assassinate the viscount as seen in the destiny trailer (political rival with sympathies to the Qun, or just to create turmoil before a main attack?), and decided that swimming would be the best option?



Though assassination seems odd for Qunari. I'm still a bit vexed as to why they're there, as I doubt that it is a big invasion. And if the Qunari soldiers couldn't wear armor, how come the mages could wear their masks and chains?



Well, then again, it may be that the Qunari navy doesn't wear armor at all and get taught to fight without it? And with halberds it seems (at least it looked that way from some of the screenshots). As a sidenote to that, were halberdiers ever that heavily armored?

[Balitant]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Maybe they couldn't get their ships into harbor, or just come there to assassinate the viscount as seen in the destiny trailer (political rival with sympathies to the Qun, or just to create turmoil before a main attack?), and decided that swimming would be the best option?

Though assassination seems odd for Qunari. I'm still a bit vexed as to why they're there, as I doubt that it is a big invasion. And if the Qunari soldiers couldn't wear armor, how come the mages could wear their masks and chains?

Well, then again, it may be that the Qunari navy doesn't wear armor at all and get taught to fight without it? And with halberds it seems (at least it looked that way from some of the screenshots). As a sidenote to that, were halberdiers ever that heavily armored?

I remember David Gaider mentioning that Sten say's a Qunari does not lie. What he seemingly clarifies is that it is unlikely that what a lie means to a Qunari is the same for a human. Perhaps the Qunari are assassinating the viscount, while being blatantly honest about their intentions.

And halberdiers function somewhat similar to pikeman, so heavy armor is not usually necessary for them. Its use varies for the type of soldier wielding it, if it is a royal guard you'll find that he may wear heavy armor.... if it is a Scott wielding it back in the day then it is extremely unlikely.

[lost lupus]

i dont see why people take a codex in DA as gospel

its a time of myth and legends almost all the storys and entries should be taken with a grain of salt

which of course is the whole point of DA2
perhaps in truth the qunari were all in massive armour however Varric retell's it as they are all badasses that dont use armour

i guess thats a point of difference to playstyle a rogue or mage might wonder while................ a worrior just sees an enemy

Modifié par lost lupus, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:33 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Maybe they couldn't get their ships into harbor, or just come there to assassinate the viscount as seen in the destiny trailer (political rival with sympathies to the Qun, or just to create turmoil before a main attack?), and decided that swimming would be the best option?

You mean the Qunari doing something like this?
Hmmm doesn't sound likely.

As for their armor. Well we have to remember their environement. Maybe jungles are not favorable to armor? I don't know, I am not an expert on this.

I do not like how they look, but not necessarily because they don't have armor on.

[Kasces]

The only Qunari we have seen with no armor are the Arishok (military leader, probably rare he's even outside Qunari lands much less in Kirkwall) and mage Qunari, who are chained up and even regular mages don't really wear armor except our Wardens and companions if we chose to.

I highly doubt that the "shirtless" Qunari were more than placeholders. They look exactly like eachother, I think even the tattoos. They're even all wearing the same nonarmor stuff and none I recall had weapons though clearly charging into battle.

Edit: They all carry the exact same weapon, still suspect.

Modifié par Kasces, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:42 .

[Joy Divison]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As for their armor. Well we have to remember their environement. Maybe jungles are not favorable to armor? I don't know, I am not an expert on this.

I do not like how they look, but not necessarily because they don't have armor on.

Armor in jungle = bad. 

When the Spanish conquistadors landed in the Central American jungles, they soon ditched their heavy steel protection for the favored native garb which was made mostly of cloth.

The Zulus had metallurgy and made bad ass steel axes, but skipped out on the armor.  Much of sub-saharan Africa had skilled metalsmiths, yet none of their warriors were encased in steel like their European counterparts.

Armor also = expensive.  Unless you were rich or looted some poor bastard's set, you didn't have any.

People conceptions of "realism" aside in a game with demons, fireballs, dragons, and Old gods starting blights, a warrior need not cover herself in massive plate to be effective.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:44 .

[PsychoBlonde]

RiskyRannis wrote...

I remember David Gaider mentioning that Sten say's a Qunari does not lie.

Sten never says this.  What he says is that the Qunari are not a people of idle promises.  (And he himself has no compunctions about telling numerous bald-faced lies, although he's pretty bad at it for the most part.)  And Qunari assassins are mentioned in one of the Awakening prologue blurbs--apparently one of the things they do is to try to maintain the Qunari monopoly on things like explosives and (probably) other technology.

[PsychoBlonde]

I do kind of wonder why they picked red as their rank designator (if that's what it is). Given their skin color, red looks kind of nasty. Maybe it's just a military thing.

[David Gaider]

RiskyRannis wrote...
I don't think Laidlaw was making an excuse, though 99.99999993% of the people that have responded to seem to think so.

99.99999993% of the people here also don't know the role the qunari play in DA2. All will be clear once they do.

[stephen1493]

David Gaider wrote...

RiskyRannis wrote...
I don't think Laidlaw was making an excuse, though 99.99999993% of the people that have responded to seem to think so.

99.99999993% of the people here also don't know the role the qunari play in DA2. All will be clear once they do.

Oh, you mean that race from Par Vollen who see it as a mission to subvert all cultures through war in order to follow their religion?

Maker only knows what those qunari soldiers we saw in those releases will be up too.

Probaly relief work. Those caring souls.

[David Gaider]

stephen1493 wrote...
Oh, you mean that race from Par Vollen who see it as a mission to subvert all cultures through war in order to follow their religion?

Maker only knows what those qunari soldiers we saw in those releases will be up too.

Probaly relief work. Those caring souls.

Since you know everything, you must also know the context in which the qunari appear in DA2 and why their appearance is not so unbelieveable. Well done. You earn a gold star.

[drahelvete]

The Codex only mentions qunari wearing glittering steel armor ONCE. During a specific historical event. That doesn't mean that they normally wear steel armor. The same Codex entry calls the qunari "gold-skinned", so it's obviously dated anyway.
If I remember correctly, that particular Codex entry wasn't even available in-game. It's from the Tome of Knowledge on the old DA webpage.

Modifié par drahelvete, 25 janvier 2011 - 04:10 .