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[stephen1493]

chunkyman wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Mike Laidlaw.
Are cannons Chantry lies too?
...Why would they lie about that?

Wouldn't gunboat dipmacy be what the Qunari would do? In an amphibious invasion? 

See, now you're thinking like a Dragon Age fan! Would the chantry lie about something like that? Would they find political gain in representing the Qunari as an unbeatable threat? Or are they telling the truth? WHO CAN SAY*?

Tinfoil hats, everyone!


*(Answer: David Gaider, but he's not talking.)

Tinfoil hats confirmed! 

And if anyone tells me otherwise I'll cancel my pre-order! Or hold my breath...

No one would dare to use the toggle helmet feature with that glorious piece of work on their heads.

[drahelvete]

Worried about guns being in the setting? We have knights wearing 15th century armor, why would matchlock guns be considered out of place? I'd love it if there was at least one that you could get from a qunari. Like the musket in Jade Empire.

[Mike Laidlaw]

drahelvete wrote...

Worried about guns being in the setting? We have knights wearing 15th century armor, why would matchlock guns be considered out of place? I'd love it if there was at least one that you could get from a qunari. Like the musket in Jade Empire.

Ahhh, Mirabelle. How fondly I remember the test of wits before you acquired her.

"Heaven help you if you don't know the horror of a soggy biscuit."

[stephen1493]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Worried about guns being in the setting? We have knights wearing 15th century armor, why would matchlock guns be considered out of place? I'd love it if there was at least one that you could get from a qunari. Like the musket in Jade Empire.

Ahhh, Mirabelle. How fondly I remember the test of wits before you acquired her.

"Heaven help you if you don't know the horror of a soggy biscuit."

First we had John Clesse, and now we have Tim Curry. I ponder at who comes next...

Gilbert Godfried?

[drahelvete]

stephen1493 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Worried about guns being in the setting? We have knights wearing 15th century armor, why would matchlock guns be considered out of place? I'd love it if there was at least one that you could get from a qunari. Like the musket in Jade Empire.

Ahhh, Mirabelle. How fondly I remember the test of wits before you acquired her.

"Heaven help you if you don't know the horror of a soggy biscuit."

First we had John Clesse, and now we have Tim Curry. I ponder at who comes next...

Gilbert Godfried?

Haven't you heard? Gilbert's the voice of Fenris.

[Brockololly]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
To my recollection, they didn't appear in glittering armor or have cannons in Origins, either. There were about 8 of them and they wore armor very much like everyone else, and were decidedly cannon free.

Sure, although we ran across far more than 8 between Origins and Awakening.

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
And if you haven't learned not to entirely trust our codex entries, yet, especially the ones about historical events, the world of Dragon Age will continue to astonish at every turn.

I cannot stress this enough, folks: when the first words of the first game in a series are "The Chantry teaches us..." you should be prepared to take just about everything with a grain of salt. Even the guys who write the Pen and Paper sourcebooks don't know everything that's going on in the world of Thedas, especially in it's largely forgotten past.

Some mysteries are best kept to a very small group.

Ok. See I get the whole biased in game lore and codex entries. I like that. It adds to the game world and setting feeling a bit more real. But you can't have the in game lore say "night" while  the in game reality is "day"- thats a recipe for disappointment, especially if people get used to the "false" reality of what the in game lore has been saying.

For example, I LOVED in Origins when you're going around in the beginning of the game and you hear people chatting about Andraste and the the Sacred Ashes like its some mythical thing that no one could possibly ever find. It was this mythical thing in the lore and built up. And then sure enough, I had a major "OH SNAP!" moment when you actually get to the Guardian and realize that hey, the Ashes are real! Or are they? Point being, the game gave you some shady lore to set things up in game and you came across this seemingly mythical thing, but the explanation as to whether it was truly divine or just hopped up on lyrium is left to the player. But the reality wasn't physically far from the lore, even if the details were left up to the player.


Back to the Qunari and DA2 though, my point is that its fine if the in game lore deviates from the in game reality, that is, what your PC sees or experiences, so long as you the player are able to rectify that difference in game. And this is where I have an issue with the visual retcons and all that.  I thought the descriptions of the Qunari as a race of giant, armored up, naval seapower, cannon/ gunpowder wielding badasses sounded great in Origins. Thats the impression I got from Sten. He hyped up the Qunari in that way and thats what I'm excited to see more of the Qunari in the future.

Now *if* in DA2, the Qunari are portrayed in some  different way, say as gargoyle looking,  beast men chest painters, I'm confused. Is that simply the new art style or am I to think "Oh shucks that Brother Genitivi was sniffing lyrium fumes when he wrote the Qunari entry in the codex!" or is this just some smaller sect of Qunari while the glittering armor, gunpowder wielding, hyped up Qunari are back chilling in Par Vollen? Or at least if those glittering armro wearing Qunari with the gunpowder are some myth, then I want to be able to see for myself what their current reality is, like how the player was given 2 sides to the story with the Urn of Sacred Ashes, and could decide for themselves.


I'm fine with mysteries, but when you add on outside the game type visual retcons/redesigns/Hot Rod Samurai and then add in murky inconsistent game lore and just naturally mysterious or cliffhanger plots *cough* Morrigan/Warden/OldGodBaby/Eluvian/Flemeth*cough* thats a recipe for multilayered confusion for the player, IMO. The last thing I want to see happen with DA is to have it get so muddled in mysteries piled on  top of unexplained or inconsistent lore that it simply turns into some muddled mess like LOST. You need to dish out some answers, lest you just end up frustrating people, like how WItch Hunt simply piled on more questions without answering much of anything.

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:14 .

[stephen1493]

Getting a bit off topic.

Modifié par stephen1493, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:15 .

[Maria Caliban]

drahelvete wrote...

Worried about guns being in the setting? We have knights wearing 15th century armor, why would matchlock guns be considered out of place? I'd love it if there was at least one that you could get from a qunari. Like the musket in Jade Empire.

I'm so glad they seem to have toned down the gothic plate look.

As for 'why?' I assume it's because they don't care for guns in fantasy.

[stephen1493]

drahelvete wrote...

Haven't you heard? Gilbert's the voice of Fenris.

This is the part where fangirls chase us out of the forum with torches and pitchforks, but I digress.

Modifié par stephen1493, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:14 .

[chunkyman]

stephen1493 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Worried about guns being in the setting? We have knights wearing 15th century armor, why would matchlock guns be considered out of place? I'd love it if there was at least one that you could get from a qunari. Like the musket in Jade Empire.

Ahhh, Mirabelle. How fondly I remember the test of wits before you acquired her.

"Heaven help you if you don't know the horror of a soggy biscuit."

First we had John Clesse, and now we have Tim Curry. I ponder at who comes next...

Gilbert Godfried?

James Earl Jones (Darth Vader)


Please please please PLEASE

pweety pweese! :innocent:

[Mike Laidlaw]

Brockololly wrote...
The last thing I want to see happen with DA is to have it get so muddled in mysteries piled on  top of unexplained or inconsistent lore that it simply turns into some muddled mess like LOST.

Then we shall endeavor not to let that happen.

In related news, look for us to explain the polar bear in DA IV.

[stephen1493]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
The last thing I want to see happen with DA is to have it get so muddled in mysteries piled on  top of unexplained or inconsistent lore that it simply turns into some muddled mess like LOST.

Then we shall endeavor not to let that happen.

In related news, look for us to explain the polar bear in DA IV.

DA IV!!! It was confirmed here first folks!

[drahelvete]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
The last thing I want to see happen with DA is to have it get so muddled in mysteries piled on  top of unexplained or inconsistent lore that it simply turns into some muddled mess like LOST.

Then we shall endeavor not to let that happen.

In related news, look for us to explain the polar bear in DA IV.

Oh! Oh! I know! I know! It's an epileptic tree, right?

[Sanguinerin]

HallowedWarden wrote...

Theoretically, the Qunari in "glittering silver armor" could be the stuff of legends surrounding their particular invasions. Imagine being conquered by the Qunari. Wouldn't you rather call them great warriors of battle who conquered you, rather than some savage barbarians who managed to topple your great civilization? I'm only guessing but if that's the case then I can see why their actual appearance is so vastly in contrast to that rendering. Keep in mind that history can often be romanticized, even by our beloved Genitivi.

I know it might be incredibly tacky to quote oneself, but the new dev posts make me strongly consider what I said on page three of this thread.

[Herr Uhl]

HallowedWarden wrote...

HallowedWarden wrote...

Theoretically, the Qunari in "glittering silver armor" could be the stuff of legends surrounding their particular invasions. Imagine being conquered by the Qunari. Wouldn't you rather call them great warriors of battle who conquered you, rather than some savage barbarians who managed to topple your great civilization? I'm only guessing but if that's the case then I can see why their actual appearance is so vastly in contrast to that rendering. Keep in mind that history can often be romanticized, even by our beloved Genitivi.

I know it might be incredibly tacky to quote oneself, but the new dev posts make me strongly consider what I said on page three of this thread.

Would make the decision to make Sten look more "civil" to reflect his culture odd, as well as every single dev-quote about Qunari being technologically superior as well as organised enough to be able to have a species-wide breeding program.

They may appear as barbarians (I doubt all will wear similar armor as the ones here), but I would be incredibly surprised if they changed the whole lore abut them.

[Sanguinerin]

Then perhaps they're another type of Qunari, which I snipped out of quoting myself but I also mentioned on page three. We already know that some Qunari break away from the Qun and leave. This particular band could be a group of those who have left rather than from the main society, in which case they may have adopted some new ways of thinking. Their lack of armor could symbolize their freedom from the restraints (i.e. confining armor, strict code of living) of their former lives.

Is that a stretch? Possibly. Could it be a possibility? Possibly!

Modifié par HallowedWarden, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:44 .

[magicwins]

Noooo! No talking about or hinting towards guns in my fantasy settting!!

I dislike steampunk. At least in DA. Leave it out I say!!

[Atakuma]

magicwins wrote...

Noooo! No talking about or hinting towards guns in my fantasy settting!!

I dislike steampunk. At least in DA. Leave it out I say!!

It's going to take a lot more than guns to turn Dragon Age steampunk.

[magicwins]

Atakuma wrote...

magicwins wrote...

Noooo! No talking about or hinting towards guns in my fantasy settting!!

I dislike steampunk. At least in DA. Leave it out I say!!

It's going to take a lot more than guns to turn Dragon Age steampunk.

*Googles steampunk*

Hmm... You're right.

Issokay!! Still no guns I say!

Hate those things. Ruin the entire high/dark/what-have-you fantasy vibe.

[drahelvete]

magicwins wrote...

Noooo! No talking about or hinting towards guns in my fantasy settting!!

I dislike steampunk. At least in DA. Leave it out I say!!

Steampunk? I was talking about matchlock guns, not caplock. It would only be fitting, considering Dragon Age Thedas is a fantasy counterpart of  Late Medieval Europe. Besides, I was not talking about making them common, I just want to see a few qunari using them.

You could get one in Jade Empire. And in Baldur's Gate II, IIRC.

Modifié par drahelvete, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:19 .

[upsettingshorts]

I like limited firearms in a fantasy-esque setting. It was one of the few things I liked about Fable 2.



Firearms were a major part of warfare for a couple hundred years before the proliferation of steam power.

[Leonia]

Atakuma wrote...

magicwins wrote...

Noooo! No talking about or hinting towards guns in my fantasy settting!!

I dislike steampunk. At least in DA. Leave it out I say!!

It's going to take a lot more than guns to turn Dragon Age steampunk.

Not that anything is wrong with steampunk, there aren't enough quality-steampunk games out there and it would be pretty neat to see the world of Thedas evolve over time. Not that I am expecting it too since we'd be going past the Dragon Age (we're already 33 years into the 100 year time period). But who knows what they will do with the future of the franchise.

Modifié par leonia42, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:23 .

[Maria Caliban]

drahelvete wrote...


You could get one in Jade Empire. And in Baldur's Gate II, IIRC.

There were guns in BG II?

[Herr Uhl]

leonia42 wrote...

But who knows what they will do with the future of the franchise.

Taking the supposed fantasy-franchise into steampunk would be an odd move. If they wanted to do steampunk they'd probably create another universe for it.

[magicwins]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I like limited firearms in a fantasy-esque setting. It was one of the few things I liked about Fable 2.

Firearms were a major part of warfare for a couple hundred years before the proliferation of steam power.

I dunno, it kinda gives me an Army of Darkness feeling. You know, one of the first few scenes in the new world where irritated dude pulls out the big sword to attack him, and he blows half of it away with his shotgun.

Yeah. I also have images of Samurai getting gunned down in The Last Samurai running through my head. IMO gun vs sword = awful fight and that's why I'd like it left out.

Sure, a sword strike would still chop you in half IRL, but it's more a question of how you perceive it. I perceive guns as ending the age of swords and hand-to-hand fighting and that makes it a massive party pooper.

P.S: Please disregard the steampunk part of my post. I had no idea what I was talking about