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[GuardianAngel470]

 Plain and simple, it's because he knows that Liara is the SB and he knows where her base is (tracking beacons). Of all the things that he could do to undermine Shepard's operations, especially after Anderson crippled him, this is the most important. 

If Liara is compromised, Shepard loses his best source of Intel on top of a possible LI.

This is of course operating under the assumption that TIM would choose to compromise Shepard's operations but he has proven he can be both petty and impulsive.

Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around...

[gabrielk2020]

His smugness combined with his "only I know what's best for humanity" attitude are reason enough for me.

[Dean_the_Young]

And how would killing TIM stop this information from leaking out if TIM wanted it to leak out?



A dead-man's package is trivial to set up, if he hasn't done so already, and even easier to add to.



If TIM wants to leak Liara's identity and location, he can. Killing him won't stop it, and is merely likely to ensure that he does.

[Bogsnot1]

Best way to deal with a deadmans package is with one of your own.

You should still have the info you obtained from the lost operative on Farthar that "could adversely affect cerberus". You also have the contents of Kenji's greybox.

Just let him know that humanity will take a backwards step in the galactic community should both sets of intel be leaked to the Council. Given his pro-human stance, TIM will blink well before Sheaprd does.

[CroGamer002]

Because his name is Jack and I don't want for Jack to find that out.

[Vanguard1219]

My reason is pretty simple; TIM micromanages every aspect of Cerberus, overseeing it personally. As stated in Revelation, if you kill TIM, you effectively kill Cerberus.



Cut off the head and the body dies. Basic strategy in it's purest form.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Cerberus' goal is to "have humans as the superior race in the galaxy." That's racism. And I HATE racism. So off with TIM's head.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

kya169 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Cerberus' goal is to "have humans as the superior race in the galaxy." That's racism. And I HATE racism. So off with TIM's head.

yep, you are right on as always Wolfen.  Down with TIM!  Ever since i read Retribution, i cant stand the guy

Why thank you. Cerberus wouldn't be all that bad if there goal was  "the advancement of humanity" ONLY. If they were just about advancing human technology, medicine, those sorts of things, I wouldn't hate them as much. But no, They have to make humans above everyone else. Why do the humans, who are new to the galaxy, get to be on top while the others (especially the Asari, as they are the most powerful) have to be below them? Cerberus' goal is quite stupid and is full of bigotry.
 

[GodWood]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Cerberus' goal is to "have humans as the superior race in the galaxy." That's racism. And I HATE racism. So off with TIM's head.

The alien council is incredibly racist.
You killed them too yes?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

The Council isn't necessarily racist. There goal isn't to keep humanity down. In fact, if you rescue them, they give humans a SEAT ON THE COUNCIL.

[GodWood]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
The Council isn't necessarily racist.

They refer to non-council species as "lesser species", prohibit them from being able to join the council, focus soley on their own species interests and condemn the quarians for the actions their ancestors commited three centuries ago.
The Council are racist

There goal isn't to keep humanity down. In fact, if you rescue them, they give humans a SEAT ON THE COUNCIL.

Out of fear.
Besides, what about the other species?
The volus have been in Citadel space since 200BC and were the species to establish a stable galactic economy with the Unified Banking Act which made the credit the standard currency of interstellar trade.
What do they get?
A shared embassy with the elcor and little to no say in galaxy wide politics.

[Mecha Tengu]

shepard takes over cerberus and turns it into a racial acceptance group

[Ramirez Wolfen]

GodWood wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
The Council isn't necessarily racist.

They refer to non-council species as "lesser species", prohibit them from being able to join the council, focus soley on their own species interests and condemn the quarians for the actions their ancestors commited three centuries ago.
The Council are racist

There goal isn't to keep humanity down. In fact, if you rescue them, they give humans a SEAT ON THE COUNCIL.

Out of fear.
Besides, what about the other species?
The volus have been in Citadel space since 200BC and were the species to establish a stable galactic economy with the Unified Banking Act which made the credit the standard currency of interstellar trade.
What do they get?
A shared embassy with the elcor and little to no say in galaxy wide politics.

I see your point. Though the Council they CURRENTLY have are indeed racist, the Council at the core isn't. Though the Council does act a bit like bigots.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:13 .

[GodWood]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I see your point. Though the Council they CURRENTLY have are indeed racist, the Council at the core isn't. Though the Council does act a bit like bigots.

Excellent.
Now go and kill off those racist bastards!

[Avilia]

Vanguard1219 wrote...

My reason is pretty simple; TIM micromanages every aspect of Cerberus, overseeing it personally. As stated in Revelation, if you kill TIM, you effectively kill Cerberus.

Cut off the head and the body dies. Basic strategy in it's purest form.

Really?  That's interesting.  So all those cells we kill off in ME1 aren't radical splinter factions outside of Timmeh's control and knowledge?

As I expected.

[GodWood]

Avilia wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...
My reason is pretty simple; TIM micromanages every aspect of Cerberus, overseeing it personally. As stated in Revelation, if you kill TIM, you effectively kill Cerberus.

Cut off the head and the body dies. Basic strategy in it's purest form.

Really?  That's interesting.  So all those cells we kill off in ME1 aren't radical splinter factions outside of Timmeh's control and knowledge?

As I expected.

I may be wrong but I think his first and second sentences were not connected.
Meaning those radical splintor factions were still out of TIM's control and knowledge.

[Avilia]

GodWood wrote...

Avilia wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...
My reason is pretty simple; TIM micromanages every aspect of Cerberus, overseeing it personally. As stated in Revelation, if you kill TIM, you effectively kill Cerberus.

Cut off the head and the body dies. Basic strategy in it's purest form.

Really?  That's interesting.  So all those cells we kill off in ME1 aren't radical splinter factions outside of Timmeh's control and knowledge?

As I expected.

I may be wrong but I think his first and second sentences were not connected.
Meaning those radical splintor factions were still out of TIM's control and knowledge.

Meh.  Curse it...

[Vanguard1219]

Avilia wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...

My reason is pretty simple; TIM micromanages every aspect of Cerberus, overseeing it personally. As stated in Revelation, if you kill TIM, you effectively kill Cerberus.

Cut off the head and the body dies. Basic strategy in it's purest form.

Really?  That's interesting.  So all those cells we kill off in ME1 aren't radical splinter factions outside of Timmeh's control and knowledge?

As I expected.

My memory is admittedly a bit fuzzy, but how do we know that the cell in ME1 went rogue again? I know that Miranda said as much when asked, but then again TIM and Cerberus sits upon a throne of lies as it is. I don't see it as being beyond TIM to just say "they went rogue" and try to feed that as a line to Shepard to try to ease the tension.

(I'll happily conscede that point if there was some kind of blurb during the ME1 missions that said they had split off, just like with the logs at the Teltin Facility.)

Anyway, back to the original post. The general idea is that TIM watches over everything that Cerberus does personally (not counting elements that broke off for obvious reasons). Every Cerberus cell is isolated from one another and completely independent as not to compromise the whole, and as discussed in Revelation Cerberus can, in time, rebuild after just about any losses it takes.

Without TIM to micromanage his enterprise Cerberus can't rebuild itself after serious losses like, say, the multi-pronged strike that the Turian Heirarchy launched in Revelation. TIM is the entirety of Cerberus's chain of command, and without any oversight individual cells can't recieve new order or restructure after any losses. Gradually the organization would dwindle as cells either try to operate independently, are destroyed by outside agressors or , given their scientific track record, are destroyed by themselves.

So, in short, if you kill TIM, you kill Cerberus. Not all at once, obviously, but the orgainzation will slowly die over time.

Modifié par Vanguard1219, 22 janvier 2011 - 12:01 .

[Merlin 47]

....Wait....I need a REASON to kill TIM?

Ummm....I could list a bunch of reasons (one being the fact that he's a terrorist).  Would I kill him?  Probably not; haul his terrorist butt off to prison?  You bet! (if he resists, THEN I'll be forced to kill him....so....there's my reason! )

[This Is Delicious]

 I say the best reason is because, I don't like the way he looks at my daughter *shakes fist*

[Manic Sheep]

Avilia wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...

My reason is pretty simple; TIM micromanages every aspect of Cerberus, overseeing it personally. As stated in Revelation, if you kill TIM, you effectively kill Cerberus.

Cut off the head and the body dies. Basic strategy in it's purest form.

Really?  That's interesting.  So all those cells we kill off in ME1 aren't radical splinter factions outside of Timmeh's control and knowledge?

As I expected.

Dosn't Miranda actually tell you those where not rogue? The rachni thing was a failed project. Abandoned when they realised they were to intelligent to be used. The husk and thorian creeper thing was research in an attempt to make expendable shock troops that Shepard screwed over.
Jack’s is the only one that I can remember actually being presented as rogue.

Also after overlord I don't think I need anouther reason to kill TIM but everytime I get pissed at him he shoots me down with that "look at the bigger picture, you need me" BS and I happen to agree with him allot. *sigh*

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 24 janvier 2011 - 09:34 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I hope in ME3 we get to kill him.

[General Douchington]

I wouldn't kill him. I agree with him at times, even.



"Oh, he's EVIL!" Don't get your morals in a bunch.