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[Yrkoon]

In Exile wrote...

THIS is why I'd love either A: a manual that explains EXACTLY how the systems work or B: for the devs to explain how the systems work so I do not end up with gimped builds at higher levels 

The problem is that you can't really get a feel for stat growth in DA/DA:O without spreadsheets. The issue is without the formulae (like in DA:O) you can't predict ability damage.

Well,  It doesn't need to go  as far as giving us a spreadsheet.   A simple line in the weapon or spell description  (which changes as you level up or increase a stat) would suffice nicely

For example:


Sword of Dragon Hurting
Tier 7  (Dragonbone)
Damage: 18.70
Armor Penetration 10
massive damage to dragons  + 7 damage to dragons per 5 points  strength of the wielder

^Then we could just  do the  simple math in our head, now that we know what  that math IS

Same with spells:


Crushing prison
spirit damage over time.  10pts of spirit damage  + 1 per 10 points of magic  every 3 seconds

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 janvier 2011 - 12:20 .

[Blacklash93]

Jamesnew2 wrote...

People seem to forget its bioware were talking about..... ITS GONNA BE AWSOME!

There's a first time for everything. Only a fool lays back and assumes everything is going to be okay without question.

DA2 will undoubtedly be a good game, but it's going to have to more than that to live up to Bioware's previous efforts.

[Inzhuna]

Haha, I wonder what David has to say about Legend of the Seeker! And Dragon Age tv series would be awesome.

[Dayshadow]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

And outside of those forums are other people...

That's a lie and you know it. There is no world outside these forums.

[In Exile]

crimzontearz wrote...
Dex was supposed to rise damage boost for daggers and improve dodge (improve chances of not being hit) but the formed was "lost"

Con eaised stamina and HP

Cunninh improved a number of rolls but I'm not sure it did much in combat

Cunning improved AP as well as crit %. If you used lethality it replaced STR in dmg calculations. DEX was supposed to give you +0.5 dmg instead of +1 dmg like STR did for non-daggers. But still, you could try for a full-sized weapon dual wield STR build (a poor build, but still) and so not rely on DEX too strongly as a rogue. IMO, I think based on what Mike said in DA:O it is a little more obvious what stat to focus on.

Yrkoon wrote...
Well,  It doesn't need to go  as far as giving
us a spreadsheet.   A simple line in the weapon or spell description 
(which changes as you level up or increase a stat) would suffice nicely

For
example:


Sword of Dragon Hurting
Tier 7 
(Dragonbone)
Damage: 18.70
Armor Penetration 10
massive
damage to dragons  + 7 damage to dragons per 5 points  strength of
the wielder

^Then we could just  do the  simple math in our head,
now that we know what  that math IS

Same with spells:


Crushing
prison
spirit damage over time.  10pts of spirit damage  +
1 per 10 points of magic  every 3 seconds

But when you want to plan out your build (effectively 60 stat points across 20 levels) you need a plan, because you're growing incrementally. So you could at-a-glance weapons, items, or spells... but to plan out a legitimate build (before just getting a feel for it via replays) a spreadsheet would have made all the difference.

[errant_knight]

Inzhuna wrote...

Haha, I wonder what David has to say about Legend of the Seeker! And Dragon Age tv series would be awesome.

It really might, if they got good actors and a decent effects budget.... I think it lends itself to a series much more than a movie.

[Josef bugman3]

Sean Bean for Warden Commander of Weisshaupt!

[ChaOtiic]

I´m really looking forward to the game and i have also preordered it but i also really want more information. But if you say that that comes in february i´m looking foward to it

[Tinxa]

errant_knight wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

Haha, I wonder what David has to say about Legend of the Seeker! And Dragon Age tv series would be awesome.

It really might, if they got good actors and a decent effects budget.... I think it lends itself to a series much more than a movie.

Most fantasy does. Mostly because the works are freakishly looooooong
Wasn't a DA anime supposed to come out in january? What happened to that?

[quicksilver_502]

shantisands wrote...

quicksilver_502 wrote...

There was a trailer featuring everyone murderising stuff whilst marilyn manson blared. Hardly low-key. i'd say that the tone is similar in both marketing campaigns, albeit a touch schizophrenic at times.

I hadn't seen that one at the time, so I went and googled it.  I kind of like that one actually *shrug*. Wish I had seen it at the time.   The song really suits the footage.  In fact, it has the sense of urgency and frantic frenzied action that I think they have tried to do ( if what I have heard on these boards is any indication) with the new combat.  It *was* more sluggish than this video shows, at times.  
 

i didn't mean to imply that i didn't like the trailer. it was a bit ridiculous but i didn't mind it. it's just that there was the same forum rage about that as there was about DA2 marketing. probably will be for DA3.

[prazision]

There was a trailer featuring everyone murderising stuff whilst marilyn manson blared. Hardly low-key. i'd say that the tone is similar in both marketing campaigns, albeit a touch schizophrenic at times.

But the point is that everyone laughed at and made fun of that trailer and it was regarded as a failure on every metric.

Marketing teams are supposed to learn from mistakes, not amplify them.

Sure, I'll try to be nicer.  If you all try to be smarter.

[Beerfish]

prazision wrote...



Sure, I'll try to be nicer.  If you all try to be smarter.

What a jackass. Once again a pompous blow hard destroys their own credibility in an argument by not sticking to facts and relevant opinions.  Not unexpected behviour however.

[Erani]

prazision wrote...
Sure, I'll try to be nicer.  If you all try to be smarter.

How very eloquent. This will surely win you a lot of arguments.

[Cutlasskiwi]

prazision wrote...

There was a trailer featuring everyone murderising stuff whilst marilyn manson blared. Hardly low-key. i'd say that the tone is similar in both marketing campaigns, albeit a touch schizophrenic at times.

But the point is that everyone laughed at and made fun of that trailer and it was regarded as a failure on every metric.

Marketing teams are supposed to learn from mistakes, not amplify them.

Sure, I'll try to be nicer.  If you all try to be smarter.

Not true. Both my brother and my cousin loved that trailer. Neither of them play RPG's very often but that trailer got them interested in DAO and they both went out and got the game. Turned out they loved DAO and they are both excited about DA2 now. So maybe this kind of marketing works when it comes to getting people, who never plays RPG's, to at least consider them?

[prazision]

I apologize. It's simply frustrating when people don't realize that "fanboy" and "hater" are both irrational mindsets.



It is just as foolish to say "This is a BioWare game, there's no way it can be bad!" (which many, many people are saying) as it is to say "This game will definitely be bad!" (which I have never said; I've said over and over the marketing and developers have been so schizophrenic that I have no idea WHAT to think about this game).



If you are willing to accept fanboys on a forum, you have to accept haters as well, as they are basically identical. (But once again, I am not a hater. I do use facts. When someone says "BioWare has made so many games..." I pull out the fact they've made 12 games, 1 of which wasn't an RPG, and 3 which are regarded generally poorly).



How about this as an example: Square made DOZENS of games before they made Final FantasyL Dirge of Cerberus, which is widely considered the worst, if not the worst, entry in the series, and in fact a very bad game on every level. How's that for a "fact" that no company can be trusted based on track record alone?

[Erani]

prazision wrote...
It is just as foolish to say "This is a BioWare game, there's no way it can be bad!" (which many, many people are saying) as it is to say "This game will definitely be bad!" (which I have never said; I've said over and over the marketing and developers have been so schizophrenic that I have no idea WHAT to think about this game).

If you are willing to accept fanboys on a forum, you have to accept haters as well, as they are basically identical. (But once again, I am not a hater. I do use facts. When someone says "BioWare has made so many games..." I pull out the fact they've made 12 games, 1 of which wasn't an RPG, and 3 which are regarded generally poorly).

I believe there is a difference between saying "Every BioWare game I've played, I've loved" or "I've played and loved all BioWare games" and therefore I'm sure DA2 will be awesome or no way it'll be bad, and saying "DA2 will definitely be bad". I mean, if most BioWare games are regarded positively (according to you 3/12) then how can someone be 100% sure this one will fail?

[Cutlasskiwi]

prazision wrote...

I apologize. It's simply frustrating when people don't realize that "fanboy" and "hater" are both irrational mindsets.

It is just as foolish to say "This is a BioWare game, there's no way it can be bad!" (which many, many people are saying) as it is to say "This game will definitely be bad!" (which I have never said; I've said over and over the marketing and developers have been so schizophrenic that I have no idea WHAT to think about this game).

If you are willing to accept fanboys on a forum, you have to accept haters as well, as they are basically identical. (But once again, I am not a hater. I do use facts. When someone says "BioWare has made so many games..." I pull out the fact they've made 12 games, 1 of which wasn't an RPG, and 3 which are regarded generally poorly).

How about this as an example: Square made DOZENS of games before they made Final FantasyL Dirge of Cerberus, which is widely considered the worst, if not the worst, entry in the series, and in fact a very bad game on every level. How's that for a "fact" that no company can be trusted based on track record alone?

I've bought almost every BioWare game and I've been happy with the product. Granted, there may "only" be 12 games but they are spread out over the years. So for years I've been happy with their products and this has built up a trust and anticipation for the games and the company. Is it really such a stretch that people think: BioWare made this game - I'm guessing it will be good? You may not agree about any of this but that's how I see it. I'll continue to buy products from companies I'm happy with until the day they disappoint me.

[prazision]

Sigh...



I specifically said that I am not sure this game will be bad. One more time, with feeling: I think the marketing and developers have done a poor job of giving me, personally, sufficient evidence either way.



Once again, with feeling: Square made 10 perfect Final Fantasy games in a row and then proceeded to make THREE that I didn't like very much at all. BioWare has made 5 games (Baldur's Gate/2, ME/2, Origins) that I've liked, and of those four, Origins is actually the weak link (in terms of gameplay, specifically, not so much in terms of story/characters).

[In Exile]

prazision wrote...

But the point is that everyone laughed at and made fun of that trailer and it was regarded as a failure on every metric.

What actual evidence do you have for this. I might think the trailer is silly - but where is the evidence that trailer hurt versus helped sales?

Sure, I'll try to be nicer.  If you all try to be smarter.

Asking for evidence to prove contentious claims is not intelligent?

I specifically said that I am not sure this game will be bad.
One more time, with feeling: I think the marketing and developers have
done a poor job of giving me, personally, sufficient evidence either
way.

Good for you. I feel that this has a set of features I have been looking foward too for a long time, and happen to think BG and BGII are mediocre and overrated games.

Does anyone care? No.

More importantly, your only argument here is that it is logically possible for DA2 to be bad based on the fact that past performance doesn't guarantee future performance. But that has nothing to do with whether or not DA2 will actually be bad. That requires specific evidence.

Modifié par In Exile, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:22 .

[prazision]

In Exile wrote...

But that has nothing to do with whether or not DA2 will actually be bad. That requires specific evidence.

Exactly.  That's what my main point has been from the start.  Give me some concrete reasons to want this game.

[Josef bugman3]

Its the continuation of a well liked franchise?
It appears to have taken criticisms of combat and altered itself to be more streamlined?
It looks as if the narrative structure will be interesting?
The Characters look as if they will be cool to explore?
Loot?
Because Bioware (despite your assertions) have always put out games of, at the very least, good quality.

Quite frankly, why we should have to sell this thing to you specifically is a bit beyond me, Either ignore it and rent it, or go out and play a different sort of game, if you like dark fantasy then why not "The witcher 2"?

Modifié par Josef bugman3, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:48 .

[In Exile]

prazision wrote...

Exactly.  That's what my main point has been from the start.  Give me some concrete reasons to want this game.

Err.... isn't this your problem? If you want to see if the game is for you, research features, read previews and then decide.