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DA2 interview with Mike Laidlaw *new interview with Gaider regarding romances and part 2*


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#401
ReallyRue

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

For the rest of us then, there will be a Natural bodies mod for DA2.

::: re-prays for the release of a tool-set upgrade::::


Not sure who is implied as NOT "the rest of us" in that statement, me or EA or...

If you mean me, well, I don't care that much about the nudity level or what's shown vs what's implied.

Look at my example -- ME had more skin showing than ME2.  It's not about the skin.  It's about the intent and content of the scenes.  ME2 was far tamer in terms of nudity, but some of the scenes were just... juvenille


I agree with you there. During the scene with Liara, Ashley or Kaiden you feel like it's supposed to be passionate and intimate. The team is about to go after Sovereign and they might all die, and this might be the last time Shepard gets with his/her lover. In ME2 it felt like 'here, all that blabbing with Miranda paid off, now you get to see her bra!'. I didn't feel any emotional connection to it at all, which was disappointing considering they were about to go on a suicide mission and the sex scene should feel touching, not just be about touching Miranda's bra or Jacob's abs or whatever.

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OK, game seems awesome in most ways (my only known trepidation is in just how much room for variation in the early part of the game), but nudity *is* important to me. I'll explain why. You can't really truly express the breadth of emotional and intellectual experience that any storyteller should be striving to achieve in the portrayal of these kinds of relationships and otherwise more and more mature kinds of stories without being true to the situations inherent there in, and rejecting those artificial taboos that chain the experience. You know, just in recent gaming, we have Heavy Rain, the single most powerful storytelling in gaming thus far IMO, where any restraint or timidity on the player's part is theirs alone, and is in so doing a part of the full emotional experience. We've even got Mass Effect 1, so emotionally resonant that I'm sticking with Liara for my male PC through three games and a total lack of development through Mass Effect 2 at launch. ME2's relationships' realisations seem shallow and stunted by comparison with the near exception of Jack's full romance, sabotaged by the odd prevalence of that strange leather strap. In DA:O, those odd brown skivvies intruded on what should have been important scenes and just left me wondering, along with everyone who watched me play, just what were they doing there? Why were they included simply to end up breaking immersion, as lovingly animated as they were? Why was nudity fine so long as it was monstrous, but not tender or beautiful or fully human? Imagine if Love and Other Drugs, or The Girl with The Dragon Tattoo, Let The Right One In, Winter's Bone, Baader-Meinhoff Complex, all recently in theaters (and highly recommended), had been so restrained? On television, what would Dexter, Rome, Spartacus (tonal similarities there), True Blood, Shameless, Californication, 95% of the best television produced, be if they were afraid to push the cultural envelope? Another thing Dragon Age and Mass Effect have in common with that list of quality art / entertainment is that they're all M/R rated for a number of reasons ranging from atmosphere and honest vocal characterisation to mature subject matter. Legitimately M games like these should not injure themselves pretending to be T games just because their corporate sides tend to over-avoid out of the box nipples. And they shouldn't embarrass themselves trying to replace legitimate nudity with T game-ish cheesecake. Also, if I were the kind of parent that was worried about nudity but ended up buying this for my kid, I think I'd be more concerned about a number of other aspects to these games. These are true M games. Nudity should not be treated as such a problem.

edit: P.S. Anyone wants to start a topic about this in particular to make more of point, feel free to quote whatever helps your arguement. I'm not on enough to run a topic.

Modifié par cindercatz, 01 février 2011 - 11:57 .


#403
jhnxsmth

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I don't even care if there are sex scenes. If your characters could even enter into a relationship in which it is acknowledge that they are definitely in love and having sex, I'm happy.



If I could even hit on a male character without my feelings being a 6" tall roadbump in reality; if my character could even show romantic affection and that affection be valued even platonically; if my character were even a sexual being when anyone other than a single mincing, perverted elf were in the room; if any of these things I would be happy.



The single best part of DA1 was when I talked to my brother about a guy I was seeing, and he acted completely natural about it in front of my family. Full-on-nude-porno sex scenes could not top that.

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Mike Laidlaw wrote...

I always assume, when people talk about other forums, that they just mean RPG Codex, who seem to have hated everything Bioware has ever done, ever, so, you know. You get used to it. ;)


So they do in fact hate everything BioWare has ever done? What a bunch of douchebags, eh? Why not just press a button and let something awesome happen instead?

David Gaider wrote...

Nonsense.
It's a bunch of concerned, intelligent chaps who engage in intelligent
discourse on their favorite hobby. I can't imagine why any developer
wouldn't want to cater to their tastes.


Nonsense. They must be pretty dumb, still mourning the days when Dave Gaider made things like the Ascension mod for BG2 when they should concern themselves with the intricacies of the latest gay romance created for DA2 or something.

Modifié par Asaxor, 22 février 2011 - 09:20 .