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[cachx]

I have not read the comic yet, just the previews and the wiki article.

Isn't General Williams called "the Man"? I think is pretty obvious that Harper is going to start working as the "invisible hand" of Williams and ear the nickname of "Illusive Man" in the process.

He may or may not arrange for William's death or manage to put him "in disgrace" in the military.

[Zulu_DFA]

cachx wrote...

I have not read the comic yet, just the previews and the wiki article.

Isn't General Williams called "the Man"? I think is pretty obvious that Harper is going to start working as the "invisible hand" of Williams and ear the nickname of "Illusive Man" in the process.

He may or may not arrange for William's death or manage to put him "in disgrace" in the military.

"The Man" is a military jargon for "commanding officer".

Other than that, on the page next to the preview it is revealed that it's been Gen. Williams who personally took pains to arrange Jack Harper and his few followers' arrival to the war zone, plus some quick training. He also shares his bottle of something that can't be orange juice with Jack, which kinda signifies that they are on friendly/unofficial terms.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 janvier 2011 - 06:45 .

[CroGamer002]

That would have been... an interesting plot twist.

[Telemachus78]

Do you realize how immpossible this is. Did you come up with this because Ashley's helthy mistrust of Aliens? I am pretty sure that POV is not genetic and her mistrust comes from what happened on Shanxi. That would make no sense if it was true.

[Raanz]

We'll find out in April.
I'm still convinced (in my wee-mind) that the next DLC will be Alliance/Cerberus with VS as the sub-plot.

As far as the comic; Williams was reluctant to withdraw but had to.  Did the comic hint that Jack's group was the catalyst for Cerberus?   I dunno...he does mention "the cause" early on. I would venture a guess and say that Williams had prior knowledge of Jack's rise through, or promotion to an Alliance Black Ops organization, not fully aware it would evolve into Cerberus.

Modifié par Raanz, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:14 .

[Sajuro]

Telemachus78 wrote...

Do you realize how immpossible this is. Did you come up with this because Ashley's helthy mistrust of Aliens? I am pretty sure that POV is not genetic and her mistrust comes from what happened on Shanxi. That would make no sense if it was true.

How is it impossible?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Telemachus78 wrote...

Do you realize how immpossible this is. Did you come up with this because Ashley's helthy mistrust of Aliens? I am pretty sure that POV is not genetic and her mistrust comes from what happened on Shanxi. That would make no sense if it was true.

Ashley's apparent mistrust of aliens has absolutely nothing to do with this. What are you talking about?

Read through the posts and you'll see what we're getting at. This isn't at all about Ashley.

[Prince of Kemet]

Badpie wrote...

I've been kind wanting this to be true for a long time. I always thought it would be a great twist. Both for the Alliance and Cerberus and whatever information we have on them - I mean finding out that an Alliance General was involved in starting Cerberus would be pretty big and suggest that Cerberus and Alliance probably still work together at their highest levels (something else I've always thought). Also for Ashley (if she's around in your game) it would be a pretty life altering realization for her I think.

Remember on Horizon when Ash said that she would never join Cerberus? If it turns out to be true that her grandfather was a founding member of Cerberus..............would she possibly change her mind or could this possibly the reason she joins? Maybe she would want to join to help Shep (well my shep anyway) change the galaxy's perception of Cerberus. 

[Prince of Kemet]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I agree. I would love to see Ashley's reaction to all this if it turns out to be the case, especially since she's my canon love interest.

^THIS!!!

[STG]

Vaenier wrote...
Tim is now Ash's father!

She has daddy issues too and her loyalty mission will be dealing with them, like every other loyalty mission

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arijharn]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I agree. I would love to see Ashley's reaction to all this if it turns out to be the case, especially since she's my canon love interest.

Far more interestingly, wouldn't it be interesting if 'those people' who try to get General WIlliams' name cleared from time to time included or were supported by Cerberus?

Perfect DLC delimma.

'You've found proof  (of insert here) you can use against Cerberus, but among the files is evidence that Cerberus not only originated with the help of General Williams, but has been behind most attempts to clear his reputation. To expose this evidence would blacken Williams' name beyond all hope of repair, turned into a cautionary tale for all of Humanity.'

Naturally the paragon option is to cover this all up. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

What's Kaidan's role in all this? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Seriously, though, I wouldn't idealize Cerberus by such a mushy stuff. Sharing booze with Williams in his bunker is one thing, big politics is another. And in big politics Cerberus is behind Terra Firma, which, I'm sure, is the reason Williams' name has got such notoriety over the years (which is in turn the reason Ashley hates this party, although she "ain't a fan of aliens" herself).

In the interest of tying and 'marrying' everything to everything else (bleh!) then Rahna becomes one of the big (and as yet 'unknown') lieutenants of Cerberus.

[Melindil]

There are some really interesting and remarkably plausible theories flying around in this thread.  I'm definitely interested to see where this leads.  It also reminds me that I need to get my hands on the source material so I can make a better contribution to the discussion.

Arijharn wrote...
In the interest of tying and 'marrying' everything to everything else (bleh!) then Rahna becomes one of the big (and as yet 'unknown') lieutenants of Cerberus.

The Kaidan fanbase would likely implode if Rahna showed up.  It's generally agreed upon that she was a device used to expose aspects of Kaidan's personality and that bringing her back for any reason would seem extremely forced.  If they could pull it off in a way that seemed realistic and not at all forced, I'd be interested to see it; it's just difficult for me to believe that they could actually pull it off.

[Zulu_DFA]

Just look at the fist clench!

[Arijharn]

He'd save the Collector Base!



heh, couldn't resist.

[didymos1120]

Melindil wrote...
The Kaidan fanbase would likely implode if Rahna showed up.  It's generally agreed upon that she was a device used to expose aspects of Kaidan's personality and that bringing her back for any reason would seem extremely forced.  If they could pull it off in a way that seemed realistic and not at all forced, I'd be interested to see it; it's just difficult for me to believe that they could actually pull it off.

You know, there is something cool they could do with her in ME3 if you get Kaidan as a squadmate (or even if you don't and he's just an important NPC with more than one convo tree. And of course depending on how the story actually plays out): at some point, you find out Kaidan looked through list of confirmed dead from the Reaper attack for her name, and found it.  Just a quick line or two of dialogue about it during some moment of relative quiet, or something along those lines. It could be a nice continuity nod.

[Dean_the_Young]

Did Rahna ever get a last name?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:10 .

[NICKjnp]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*shakes head* Do you use wikis for your school work too?

Wiki is actually pretty useful for the 'hard' sciences: it's only when subjectivity or politics comes into play that you really need to watch out. Otherwise, it's pretty reliable and generally has a good support network for keeping the science references straight.

Sure it does.  link

[Dean_the_Young]

NICKjnp wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*shakes head* Do you use wikis for your school work too?

Wiki is actually pretty useful for the 'hard' sciences: it's only when subjectivity or politics comes into play that you really need to watch out. Otherwise, it's pretty reliable and generally has a good support network for keeping the science references straight.

Sure it does.  link

And yet, none of what Colbert says disprove my point at all.

You can't, say, become a full-fledged expert on a subject, but wikipedia is a very useful quick reference to college students and college professors both.

[NICKjnp]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*shakes head* Do you use wikis for your school work too?

Wiki is actually pretty useful for the 'hard' sciences: it's only when subjectivity or politics comes into play that you really need to watch out. Otherwise, it's pretty reliable and generally has a good support network for keeping the science references straight.

Sure it does.  link

And yet, none of what Colbert says disprove my point at all.

You can't, say, become a full-fledged expert on a subject, but wikipedia is a very useful quick reference to college students and college professors both.

You go ahead and use that as your source for papers.  Enjoy the grades that you will get on them.

[Sajuro]

NICKjnp wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*shakes head* Do you use wikis for your school work too?

Wiki is actually pretty useful for the 'hard' sciences: it's only when subjectivity or politics comes into play that you really need to watch out. Otherwise, it's pretty reliable and generally has a good support network for keeping the science references straight.

Sure it does.  link

Yay, the elephants are no longer endangered!

[Vaenier]

NICKjnp wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*shakes head* Do you use wikis for your school work too?

Wiki is actually pretty useful for the 'hard' sciences: it's only when subjectivity or politics comes into play that you really need to watch out. Otherwise, it's pretty reliable and generally has a good support network for keeping the science references straight.

Sure it does.  link

And yet, none of what Colbert says disprove my point at all.

You can't, say, become a full-fledged expert on a subject, but wikipedia is a very useful quick reference to college students and college professors both.

You go ahead and use that as your source for papers.  Enjoy the grades that you will get on them.

You do know when you use wikipedia, you use the references on the bottom of the page.

[Dean_the_Young]

NICKjnp wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

*shakes head* Do you use wikis for your school work too?

Wiki is actually pretty useful for the 'hard' sciences: it's only when subjectivity or politics comes into play that you really need to watch out. Otherwise, it's pretty reliable and generally has a good support network for keeping the science references straight.

Sure it does.  link

And yet, none of what Colbert says disprove my point at all.

You can't, say, become a full-fledged expert on a subject, but wikipedia is a very useful quick reference to college students and college professors both.

You go ahead and use that as your source for papers.  Enjoy the grades that you will get on them.

Pretty good ones for the most part. Parts that aren't so hot have less to do with wiki, actually.

[The Unfallen]

I think this could prove Cerberus and the Alliance are working together, if only their most highest of the high echelons of command, and most likely in secret, sort of like the Bilderberg Group.

[Melindil]

didymos1120 wrote...

You know, there is something cool they could do with her in ME3 if you get Kaidan as a squadmate (or even if you don't and he's just an important NPC with more than one convo tree. And of course depending on how the story actually plays out): at some point, you find out Kaidan looked through list of confirmed dead from the Reaper attack for her name, and found it.  Just a quick line or two of dialogue about it during some moment of relative quiet, or something along those lines. It could be a nice continuity nod.

See, that sort of thing would work beautifully.

[Mr.House]

This would be a great twist, and it would be interesting to see how Ash would react to it.