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[Connect]

Well guys, the EULA for Dragon Age II has just been posted a couple of hours ago on the EA website and it appears that they are going back to the dreadful days of the Mass Effect 1 DRM, even worse in some aspects.

So, here's the deal: you need an EA account, then you need to activate the game on that account and you are limited to running the game on 5 PCs in 24 hours. I realize most people will not play the game on 5 PCs in the same day, but I have a question:

WHAT THE PLOK WAS WRONG WITH THE DRM IN DRAGON AGE 1?

I just don't understand these people. Is it that hard to keep boxed copies on a DISC CHECK only? I thought they have learned their lesson with Mass Effect 1, but it seems they just keep going back to the online activation shenanigans.

Dragon Age Origins, Awakening, Mass Effect 2 - all wonderful games with friendly DRM (disc checks). I even bought 2 copies of Mass Effect 2 at launch to show my support for the friendly DRM. Yes, I bought one extra copy just for the DRM.

Now I have 2 pre-orders for the BioWare signature edition and I am canceling one and will probably cancel the second one too. Screw this, I'll get it in the bargain bin for 3 dollars next year.

If you put online activation DRM in Mass Effect 3 too then I am done with BioWare.

[Saibh]

Wait, it requires you to have an EA account to play the game?

I seriously doubt that.

In any case, I never had any issues with ME1, and that never made me make an account.

I know very little about DRM, so can someone explain this to ignorant old me?

Modifié par Saibh, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:26 .

[Zjarcal]

Connect wrote...
I even bought 2 copies of Mass Effect 2 at launch to show my support for the friendly DRM. Yes, I bought one extra copy just for the DRM.

I wish I also had money to burn...

As for the DRM... eh, I've gotten used to it. The whole 5 PC limit is not an issue if activations can still be revoked (EA had released such a tool). As for an EA account, hardly an issue.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[the_one_54321]

Do you have a link for this?

[pitchblaq]

5 PCs in 24 hours?!



OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

[ViSeiRa]

What's wrong with online activation? seems pretty reasonable to me, all people have good internet connections now... the DRM that is not acceptable is what Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed 2 and so on, online activation is perfectly fine.

[Bann Duncan]

Hold on, does this mean you don't need the disc in the drive to play? Sounds good to me!

[slimgrin]

I've been waiting anxiously for news on the drm front. This needs to be verified though.

I thought drm with both ME2 and DA was pretty painless. Hope they stick with that method.

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[Hathur]

Meh, never had any problems playing my Bioware games like ME1, DA:O, Me2 - the DRM never caused issues... dunno what the temper tantrum is about. As long as they don't make it like Ubisofts idiocy of requiring constant net connection to play (and if yer net connection went down for even 2 seconds, it forcefully exited the game... for a single player game).



I don't see any issues with DA2's DRM that's worth getting worked up about.

[the_one_54321]

pitchblaq wrote...
5 PCs in 24 hours?!
OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

I'm sure what you meant to say was inhumanity. Unless you were trying to ironically parady the broadcast from the Hindenberg disaster.

ViSeirA wrote...
What's wrong with online activation? seems pretty reasonable to me, all people have good internet connections now... the DRM that is not acceptable is what Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed 2 and so on, online activation is perfectly fine.

Are you trying to sarcastic? Lots and lots of people still have no internet connections around the world.

[lv12medic]

linky to EA EULA's



DA2's sounds about the same as DA:O's. Might require a bit more online connection requirements, but it's in legal grammar and makes my head hurt.

[ViSeiRa]

Saibh wrote...

Wait, it requires you to have an EA account to play the game?

I seriously doubt that.

In any case, I never had any issues with ME1, and that never made me make an account.

I know very little about DRM, so can someone explain this to ignorant old me?

If you're a member at BSN then you already have an account with EA, in DA:O it was optional to log on and upload your profile, in DA2 is *seems* you have to log on in order to activate the game though this will only happen once.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:32 .

[unclee]

This is actually fairly decent DRM, because it likely won't require you to have the CD in to play the game. No activation limits (aside from the 5 in 24 hours one, which is more than fair) means it isn't all that tough.



I can live with this and actually might wind up liking this more than the DA:O DRM if we don't have to have the disk in to play.

[Saibh]

ViSeirA wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Wait, it requires you to have an EA account to play the game?

I seriously doubt that.

In any case, I never had any issues with ME1, and that never made me make an account.

I know very little about DRM, so can someone explain this to ignorant old me?

If you're a member at BSN then you already have an account with EA, in DA:O it was optional to log on and upload your profile, in DA2 is *seems* you have to log on in order to activate the game though this will only happen one.

Well, yes. I'm just saying, not everyone has an internet connection--even if you have an account, what about people who can't hook it up to their 360 or don't have Internet at home or something? Are we sure we're not talking about bonus content?

Modifié par Saibh, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:33 .

[ankuu]

AC's DRM was dreadful, i don't think this comes even close. Seriously i had to download the pirated version of AC to actually play it...

Modifié par ankuu, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:34 .

[slimgrin]

Requiring an internet connection is not good imo. But it's common now.

Requiring it all the time is terrible, but I doubt they'd do that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:34 .

[Connect]

Bann Duncan wrote...

Hold on, does this mean you don't need the disc in the drive to play? Sounds good to me!

You can play without the disc in the drive if you register the boxed copies on EA Download Manager.

But they should have kept DISC CHECK DRM for the people who don't want to worry about running the game 10 years from now or who don't want online activations.

Direct link to EULA: http://eacom.s3.amaz... Cider_.1.4.pdf

28 pages of limiting your rights. Enjoy the read. It seems you need to read a whole novel nowadays just to play a freaking game.

[Bann Duncan]

If you are here, YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EA ACCOUNT.

[JigPig]

Yet DA:O was up on some torrent websites 3-4 days before the release date.

Developers really need to work on less restrictive DRM that actually, ya know, prevents or tries to prevent piracy. I had to use a crack on F.E.A.R, and I had purchased the damned thing retail.

Modifié par JigPig, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:35 .

[MerinTB]

ViSeirA wrote...

What's wrong with online activation? seems pretty reasonable to me, all people have good internet connections now... the DRM that is not acceptable is what Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed 2 and so on, online activation is perfectly fine.

While online activation is not an issue for me, saying that everyone has a good internet connection now is flat out wrong.

My last job I drove to plenty of places to fix plenty of PCs where people were still stuck to dial-up (often shoddy dial-up) or the little dish kind of internet connection that's expensive and not very good (slightly better than dial-up, far worse reception than satellite TV or radio or true satellite internet (even more expensive)) so....

yeah, not everyone has broadband.  Most everyone in the USA can get some kind of internet connection, but not absolutely everyone.

[BTCentral]

I'm assuming it's using Solidshield like Deadspace 2? If so:

What are the consumer benefits of online authentication versus the disc-based model?
The benefit is that users do not need the disk in drive once the machine is authorized.

Will I be able to play my game offline?
Yes, you can play offline once the game is authenticated. Authentication requires an Internet connection. An Internet connection is not required after the game has been authenticated.

Source.

Modifié par BTCentral, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:36 .

[ViSeiRa]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Are you trying to sarcastic? Lots and lots of people still have no internet connections around the world. 

No I'm not being sarcastic, if it requires online activation it's not so hard to plug in a dial up connection once and be done with it, also yes most people around the world have internet access at some point... be that DSL, T1 or whatever.

[Reaverwind]

ViSeirA wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Wait, it requires you to have an EA account to play the game?

I seriously doubt that.

In any case, I never had any issues with ME1, and that never made me make an account.

I know very little about DRM, so can someone explain this to ignorant old me?

If you're a member at BSN then you already have an account with EA, in DA:O it was optional to log on and upload your profile, in DA2 is *seems* you have to log on in order to activate the game though this will only happen once.

It better only be required once, though I'd rather it not be required at all for a SINGLE-PLAYER game. I got royally fed up with all the deactivation shenanigans with DA:O's DLC.

[imkaoo]

Terrible move. EA should take an example from The Witcher's team, who is going to not put any DRM on The Witcher 2. I hope it (TW2) sells well and shows other companies how it should be done!

Modifié par imkaoo, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:36 .

[Hathur]

Connect wrote...


But they should have kept DISC CHECK DRM for the people who don't want to worry about running the game 10 years from now or who don't want online activations.

Sigh... you do know that EVERY game company that utilizes online-check DRM removes this DRM once the game as been on the market for 2 years or so, yes? This is common practice - has been for many years. 

It costs money to maintain servers for the DRM.. once the game is deemed to have run its course in terms of income, they remove that DRM.

Modifié par Hathur, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:38 .