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[Jorina Leto]

Jonp382 wrote...

For DA:O, you have to activate your game online in order to play the DLCs. For DA2, supposedly you have to activate your game online in order to play DA2 in it's entirety.

For DA2, there is also a 5 consecutive activation limit in a 24-hour period; you can have the game installed on up to 5 computers at once in that time. Installations are unlimited like DA:O, as long as you do not surpass the 5 consecutive activation limit for DA2 in 24 hours.

For DA:O, you have to play with the disc in the drive. For DA2, you don't have to play with the disc in the drive after online activation.

Well this sounds acceptable.

But I still want an official confirmation. Because if it is possible to get issues with crahshed HDDs i won't buy the game.

[In Exile]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Manual De-Authorization makes it impossible to deauthorize your system if your HDD crashs. That's my problem with this DRM.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying there would be no way to deauthorize a particular computer if your HD crashes ever? Has this particular system been used before?

[Yrkoon]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

For DA:O, you have to activate your game online in order to play the DLCs. For DA2, supposedly you have to activate your game online in order to play DA2 in it's entirety.

For DA2, there is also a 5 consecutive activation limit in a 24-hour period; you can have the game installed on up to 5 computers at once in that time. Installations are unlimited like DA:O, as long as you do not surpass the 5 consecutive activation limit for DA2 in 24 hours.

For DA:O, you have to play with the disc in the drive. For DA2, you don't have to play with the disc in the drive after online activation.

Well this sounds acceptable.

But I still want an official confirmation. Because if it is possible to get issues with crahshed HDDs i won't buy the game.

There's nothing in the above DRM description  which would make any difference whatsoever if your HDD crashes, anyway,    Since There's no limit to how many times you can  install the game on any given computer.  I think people here are talking about a different type of DRM.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 janvier 2011 - 04:26 .

[Nighteye2]

In Exile wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...
Manual De-Authorization makes it impossible to deauthorize your system if your HDD crashs. That's my problem with this DRM.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying there would be no way to deauthorize a particular computer if your HD crashes ever? Has this particular system been used before?

The system he refers to has been used before on games like Spore, with a great many complaints from legitimate game owners as a result. Be thankful DA2 uses a different system, without an activation limit.

[Jorina Leto]

In Exile wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

Manual De-Authorization makes it impossible to deauthorize your system if your HDD crashs. That's my problem with this DRM.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying there would be no way to deauthorize a particular computer if your HD crashes ever? Has this particular system been used before?

Mass Effect 1 PC Retail Version.
But the Steam Version does not have this DRM.

[In Exile]

Jorina Leto wrote..
Mass Effect 1 PC Retail Version.
But the Steam Version does not have this DRM.

...So then what does this have to do with DA2? I'm confused.

[Yrkoon]

^well, he did say that he's is simply waiting for confirmation that the listed DRM description for DA2 is the actual one that we're going to get (that it won't be something else instead).

But I'm not sure how much more confirmation we need. The information we've got is from EA's website. Is there someone higher up on the DA2 food-chain than friggin EA?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 janvier 2011 - 04:43 .

[coolide]

Sergeant Pepper wrote...

I feel for those who don't have an internet connect; However, for me I'm glad if we don't need to keep the disk in the drive for DA2.

If someone doesn't have the Internet, then this is really the least of their problems.

[Yrkoon]

DA:O's DRM did not have any effect whatsoever on any debugging tools on my system. Did it have any on yours?


Really, this is So much ado about nothing. And you all know it. The only relevant difference between DA:O's DRM and DA2's DRM is that the latter requires that you come online and do a ONE TIME authentication after you've installed it. Why some people here see this as a problem to complain about baffles me.

The irony of it doesn't though.... Lets come online to EA's  webpage  and complain that we have to... come online to  EA's   webpage  to authenticate a game. LOL Say what?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 janvier 2011 - 05:29 .

[errant_knight]

Oh, bloody hell. Used to have all kinds of trouble with EA for other games. Really, I'd rather that EA had as little to do with DA as possible. They make everything more difficult and stupid than it has to be.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 janvier 2011 - 05:32 .

[schalafi]

Yet another DRM flap, It reminds me of all the hate on the forums when ME1 came out, and now you can play ME1 without a disk, or with a disk, whichever you choose. All these people who are swearing off of Bioware forever will probably buy the game anyway, so what's the point of ranting here? This is a no-brainer decision... either buy the game, or don't.

[macky00]

What is the problem with the DRM I was able to all of ME 1-2 and DA-O-A and all of the DLC's so those this affect the Xbox 360 at all.

[Yrkoon]

----9----- wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

DA:O's DRM did not have any effect whatsoever on any debugging tools on my system. Did it have any on yours?


Really, this is So much ado about nothing. And you all know it. The only relevant difference between DA:O's DRM and DA2's DRM is that the latter requires that you come online and do a ONE TIME authentication after you've installed it. Why some people here see this as a problem to complain about baffles me.

The irony of it doesn't though.... Lets come online to EA's  webpage  and complain that we have to... come online to  EA's   webpage  to authenticate a game. LOL Say what?

DA:O did not have any DRM that I know of. It was a serial number and disk verification, plus online for DLC which appears identical to the description of DA2's EULA. However, DA2's EULA mentions other software being installed without describing it. I contacted EA about it, they referred me to BioWare. BioWare has not provided any input (yet).

If you have never had any trouble with DRM, you are fortunate and it is indeed 'much ado about nothing' for you; congratulations!  I've had trouble with DRM before. When you uninstall ME1, which used Sony's SecuRom DRM, the DRM is not uninstalled. According to EA, they suggested Sony's DRM removal tool - however, it didn't work either - it required a format to get rid of it. I shouldn't have to go through that process for a game and it's attendant 'leeches'.

Given the warning that the software being installed on the computer *may* conflict with other software, is a suggestion to me, that something akin to a RootKit is being installed and I am not interested in the game if it includes DRM of any kind. My choice.

Didn't you just copy and paste the EULA for Dragon age: Origins?  Didn't it contain, as you say, 28 pages of legal jargon?   Jargon which you cited  to confirm  all your listed  "worries"?

I'll ask again,  did your computer suffer any  such software conflicts  with Dragon Age: Origins?  No?  then why in the world do you think it will with DA2?


  Edit:  and Oh, Contrary to your claims, the only actual difference in the contents of DA2's EULA and DA:O's EULA is that  DA2's tells you that you have to do a one-time online authentification    before you can play the game, and you have a limit as to how many times you can install it in a 24 hour period.  That's it.

You wanna play  the part of a Paranoid  monk who imposes his own entertainment restrictions, you go right ahead.  But it'll be purely your loss.  The rest of us will be enjoying   all of Dragon Age 2's awesomeness, while you sit there in front of your computer and  pour over  those 28 page EULA's in fear.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:13 .

[Connect]

Yrkoon wrote...

I'll ask again,  did your computer suffer any  such software conflicts  with Dragon Age: Origins?  No?  then why in the world do you think it will with DA2?

Because Dragon Age II uses a different DRM than Origins! Is it that hard to understand? I'd draw you a picture, but you'd still not understand.

Dragon Age Origins - simple OFFLINE DISC CHECK with NO online authentication, no activation, no additional DRM software installed, no need to tie the game to an EA account
Dragon Age II - FORCED ONLINE AUTHENTICATION, ACTIVATION, NEED TO TIE THE GAME TO AN EA ACCOUNT, FORCED INSTALLATION OF DRM SOFWARE THAT CAN INTERFERE WITH YOUR PROGRAMS

What baffles me is that EA uses simple disc checks on other products, like The Sims or even other BioWare games, like Mass Effect 2 or Dragon Age Origins and they fail to do so for Dragon Age II.

[tmp7704]

Connect wrote...

Because Dragon Age II uses a different DRM than Origins! Is it that hard to understand? I'd draw you a picture, but you'd still not understand.

Dragon Age Origins - simple OFFLINE DISC CHECK with NO online authentication, no activation, no additional DRM software installed, no need to tie the game to an EA account

My copy of DAO required online activation, actually and it also required EA account -- on the first launch you're asked to provide the account and the serial number, and the game uses these to verify whether it can run. After that you can play it either offline or with optional login.

As such, not sure if there's any real change. Dev comment would be nice.

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:17 .

[In Exile]

DA:O required you to use an EA account to access any non-core content, including free DLC like Shale. I suppose it could be the case that there are people who did not use any DLC, including free DLC, but practically speaking this difference between DA:O and DA2 is minimal. This included online activation.

DA2 does require software installation that DA:O did not require; for anyone interested, you can find this difference under the "technical protection measures" section of each respective EULA.

The new DRM software is a difference, and the activation is a technical though not practical difference.

[tmp7704]

----9----- wrote...

DA:O did not have any DRM that I know of. It was a serial number and disk verification, plus online for DLC which appears identical to the description of DA2's EULA. However, DA2's EULA mentions other software being installed without describing it. I contacted EA about it, they referred me to BioWare. BioWare has not provided any input (yet).

This hopefully refers just to the same thing DAO installs for their authenticator to function -- if i recall right it's "Adobe AIR".

edit: hmm, the eula has "The technical protection measures of this Software may interfere with certain applications, such as debuggers, when such software could potentially be used to circumvent the access-control technology as prohibited by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act."  Perhaps there's indeed something more added, then. Rather bothersome if that's the case.

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:28 .

[craigdolphin]

I feared that Bioware was hiding bad news when they didn't release the DRM information along with the system specs (which diverges from their recent release behavior for DA:O and ME2).

If it turns out to be true, then I'll comment further when it is confirmed and the specifics are known/confirmed.

If this turns out to be
misinformation/misinterpretation of the EULA, then, Bioware, you can blame no-one
but yourselves for the negative publicity that will ensue. You deliberately created an
information vacuum knowing that many people are watching this subject
carefully. You've been asked repeatedly about this topic, publicly and privately, and you chose
to ignore those requests. You even failed to release the information at the same time as you released it for other recent releases (i.e., when the rest of the system specs were announced). You reap what you sow.

As for the comment about developers removing online DRM after a couple years, let me ask this: has Bioware removed the DRM for ME1 yet? Y'see, betting on developers to do the right thing without a promise in writing, and a specific date for removal, is just wishful thinking. Maybe they'll do it, maybe they won't. But history suggests that they, sure as hell, don't give a damn once they have your money.

[Nimpe]

If you are here complaining you already have an ea account! Why are you complaining?

[Connect]

Nimpe wrote...

If you are here complaining you already have an ea account! Why are you complaining?

You clearly have no idea what we are talking about. It's not the EA account that is the problem. It's that you need an internet connection for A FULLY OFFLINE GAME.

[craigdolphin]

If you are here complaining you already have an ea account! Why are you complaining?

It's not about having an EA account at all.



Basically this tells me that every time you start the game, you get an authentication check. Otherwise, it can't limit the number of computers running the game in 24 hours. And if that's the case, and you can't get online, or the EA servers are down, then you can't play your legally purchased game.



Unless they also provide an offline play option, which seems unlikely given EA's history.



If confirmed, then this is much closer to Ubisoft's DRM than to DA:O's. Unless Bioware provides some clarification that would ease those concerns.