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[Nerevar-as]

Pitrus wrote...

Do elaborate. Are there any single player games out there that haven't been cracked despite these measures? As far as I know at best DRM hinders 0-day piracy, so why would TW2 be less successfull?

Maybe they think if people can´t pirate the game the first few days they´ll buy it instead. Which shows how some people in this industry understand their customers. Hope TW2 PC outsell DA2 PC enough so they can´t blame it on DA2 being multi. Maybe we´ll get less DRM and an actual CE for the next game.

If this is the way things are going to be in the future, ME3 is probably the last game I´ll get from EA.

[DragonRageGT]

LOL at poor spirited devs who will punish legit owners while free-downloaders will still play the game without caring much for "online achievements" medals to display in some website!

AC2 is a good proof of that!

Meanwhile, I do hope TW2 is a huge success, not only because it will probably be as great a game as the first but also because of their devs mentality and consideration for their customers!

Modifié par RageGT, 23 janvier 2011 - 02:34 .

[TMZuk]

TwistedComplex wrote...

imkaoo wrote...

Terrible move. EA should take an example from The Witcher's team, who is going to not put any DRM on The Witcher 2. I hope it (TW2) sells well and shows other companies how it should be done!

LOL good luck with that

Empire: total war required you to have a STEAM ACCOUNT and it's their best selling game

Mhm... and what I did was excactly what I stated above: I bought the game, and then used a cracked exe-file. Same with Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas. I have had Steam and Games for Windows on my computer for excactly twenty minutes and then I threw that junk out the window. Seriously, have people no understanding of privacy anymore?

Modifié par TMZuk, 23 janvier 2011 - 03:12 .

[ErichHartmann]

Steam is an invasion of privacy? *Puts on tin foil hat* Seriously, if you really value privacy you'll never use the Internet.

[Nerevar-as]

At least Steam has offline mode.

[Loc'n'lol]

Nerevar-as wrote...

At least Steam has offline mode.

So does GFWL. I don't really see the privacy issue with either of them anyway... email adresses can be made up just for that, you don't have to reveal any personal info, and if they ask you you can always fake it, who's going to check anyway ?
I can understand why people would be reluctant to install unwanted third party software just to play a game, but privacy issues, really ?

[TMZuk]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Steam is an invasion of privacy? *Puts on tin foil hat* Seriously, if you really value privacy you'll never use the Internet.

...if a software producer, be it EA or someone else, insists that before I can use the software I have already bought and paid, I have to download and install thirdp-part software that connects me to a network that I am not intererested in, a piece of software that starts automatically each time I start my computer, a piece of software that spams me with messages I am not intersted in receiving; then it is an intrusion on my privacy, yes!

And there are many things I do not do via the internet, indeed. And there's a reason I have a firewall and what have we. And that reason is NOT that I want to have something like Steam or Games for Windows installed, opening a hole in my firewal, through which my computer is accessible.

Keep on the tin foil hat, it suits you.

[Nerevar-as]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

So does GFWL. I don't really see the privacy issue with either of them anyway... email adresses can be made up just for that, you don't have to reveal any personal info, and if they ask you you can always fake it, who's going to check anyway ?
I can understand why people would be reluctant to install unwanted third party software just to play a game, but privacy issues, really ?

I had to be connected in Arkham Asylum at least at the beginning each time or it wouldn´t autosave (only save possible in that game). Great game, but that was really bad. Glad I had waited 2 price drops before getting it.

[TwistedComplex]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Pitrus wrote...

Do elaborate. Are there any single player games out there that haven't been cracked despite these measures? As far as I know at best DRM hinders 0-day piracy, so why would TW2 be less successfull?

Maybe they think if people can´t pirate the game the first few days they´ll buy it instead. Which shows how some people in this industry understand their customers. Hope TW2 PC outsell DA2 PC enough so they can´t blame it on DA2 being multi. Maybe we´ll get less DRM and an actual CE for the next game.

If this is the way things are going to be in the future, ME3 is probably the last game I´ll get from EA.

What in the hell makes you think if TW2 somehow outsells DA2, then Bioware will relate it DRM

Will they think "They outsold us because they made a better game"

Or

"They outsold us cause of DRM"

Do i REALLY have to answer this for you?

[TwistedComplex]

TMZuk wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

imkaoo wrote...

Terrible move. EA should take an example from The Witcher's team, who is going to not put any DRM on The Witcher 2. I hope it (TW2) sells well and shows other companies how it should be done!

LOL good luck with that

Empire: total war required you to have a STEAM ACCOUNT and it's their best selling game

Mhm... and what I did was excactly what I stated above: I bought the game, and then used a cracked exe-file. Same with Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas. I have had Steam and Games for Windows on my computer for excactly twenty minutes and then I threw that junk out the window. Seriously, have people no understanding of privacy anymore?

Ok... And?

My point was that Empire total war outsold all other total wars REGARDLESS of the DRM

But you went onto a giant digression about privacy or something

[TwistedComplex]

TMZuk wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Steam is an invasion of privacy? *Puts on tin foil hat* Seriously, if you really value privacy you'll never use the Internet.

...if a software producer, be it EA or someone else, insists that before I can use the software I have already bought and paid, I have to download and install thirdp-part software that connects me to a network that I am not intererested in, a piece of software that starts automatically each time I start my computer, a piece of software that spams me with messages I am not intersted in receiving; then it is an intrusion on my privacy, yes!

And there are many things I do not do via the internet, indeed. And there's a reason I have a firewall and what have we. And that reason is NOT that I want to have something like Steam or Games for Windows installed, opening a hole in my firewal, through which my computer is accessible.

Keep on the tin foil hat, it suits you.

Then you're gonna have a hard time adapting to the future

As people become more and more computer savy, piracy will keep growing, and companies will keep taking measures to protect their investment

[Nerevar-as]

TwistedComplex wrote...

What in the hell makes you think if TW2 somehow outsells DA2, then Bioware will relate it DRM

Will they think "They outsold us because they made a better game"

Or

"They outsold us cause of DRM"

Do i REALLY have to answer this for you?

You forgot "they outsold us because they had better marketing".
If it sells better they are probably going to compare. I hope they´ll go beyond the Metacritic or whatever score.

[Erode_The_Soul]

TwistedComplex wrote...


Then you're gonna have a hard time adapting to the future

As people become more and more computer savy, piracy will keep growing, and companies will keep taking measures to protect their investment

If that's the case, they really need to get together and find something that actually protects their investment, rather than pissing off their legitimate customers and making the pirates giggle.

I blame Ubisoft completely for my feelings on this issue, but I have complete and utter hatred for online DRM. Granted, what's outlined here is not as bad as the nonsense Ubisoft has subjected gamers too, but if there is an online check each time the game is powered up, it's getting into that territory. If it's just a single check upon installation, that's a tad more agreeable, but I would think companies would be wary of requiring any sort of online check with an offline single player game given what it did to Ubisoft's reputation with gamers.

In my opinion, Bioware was on the right track with ME2 and DA; a simple disc check plus free stuff for buying new. Did it stop pirates? Nope. But it was nice to see a company attempt to reward a buyer, rather than foolishly attempt to hinder a thief.

What's outlined here seems like a step backward from that.

[iceman228433]

I really don't care what kind of DRM any game uses as long as i don't need the game in the disc tray it is all good. I also see a lot of people giving Ubisoft crap for there DRM which i have on Conviction and it has not caused any issues. I will say though that none of there games were on the most pirated list that came out so hey more power too them.

[JigPig]

TMZuk wrote...
And there are many things I do not do via the internet, indeed. And there's a reason I have a firewall and what have we. And that reason is NOT that I want to have something like Steam or Games for Windows installed, opening a hole in my firewal, through which my computer is accessible.

Oh wow, you're serious?

That's hilarious.

[BigJas]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...


Then you're gonna have a hard time adapting to the future

As people become more and more computer savy, piracy will keep growing, and companies will keep taking measures to protect their investment

In my opinion, Bioware was on the right track with ME2 and DA; a simple disc check plus free stuff for buying new. Did it stop pirates? Nope. But it was nice to see a company attempt to reward a buyer, rather than foolishly attempt to hinder a thief.

What's outlined here seems like a step backward from that.

In my opionion EA/Bioware didn't revert to a disc check because they thought it was a better idea to reward their paying customers. It was just a fallback position until they came up with something different. DA2 DRM is that something different that they hope will stir up less of a customer backlash than previous activation schemes.

Edit: spelling

Modifié par BigJas, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:00 .

[Loc'n'lol]

elektrego wrote...

I am just glad, we don't need a facebook account for the main game, too, since their marketing team seems to be very much in love with that cr*p now!

Don't give them ideas... 

so... is there any confirmation about how things are actually working out ? Is it one-time activation, or is it every time you want to start the game (hopefully the former) ? Does that really cancel the need to have the disk in your drive (hopefully yes) ?

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:08 .

[moilami]

elektrego wrote...

I am just glad, we don't need a facebook account for the main game, too, since their marketing team seems to be very much in love with that cr*p now!

Shhh! Don't give them any stupid ideas! Or soon we need facebook account too in order to play DA2.*


Edit: Which would be greatly defended and celebrated by some Especially if BioWare would say you get a cookie.

Modifié par moilami, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:17 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

BigJas wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...


Then you're gonna have a hard time adapting to the future

As people become more and more computer savy, piracy will keep growing, and companies will keep taking measures to protect their investment

In my opinion, Bioware was on the right track with ME2 and DA; a simple disc check plus free stuff for buying new. Did it stop pirates? Nope. But it was nice to see a company attempt to reward a buyer, rather than foolishly attempt to hinder a thief.

What's outlined here seems like a step backward from that.

In my opionion EA/Bioware didn't revert to a disc check because they thought it was a better idea to reward their paying customers. It was just a fallback position until they came up with something different. DA2 DRM is that something different that they hope will stir up less of a customer backlash than previous activation schemes.

Edit: spelling

You're probably right, but their fallback position strikes me as a much better system to adopt. Reward consumers, to hell with the thieves. No mattter what they do, pirates are going to pirate their games. Nothing they do will stop them. So why put so much focus into something that is never going to work? 

Hearing "Buy *random game* new and recieve *stuff* for free!" is much better than hearing "Buy *random game* new and, after a series of online authentications and registrations to ensure your not a flithy pirate, play it!"
It might not prevent any more piracy than any other DRM, but I imagine since it treats consumers better, it'll likely have positve effects.

Like I said, I'm...okay, but not really happy with a one time authentication. Requiring authentication each time the game is fired up is really not acceptable to me, and is stepping dangerously close to Ubisoft territory.

[KristofCoulson]

My internet goes down frequently, sometimes for days at a time. I'm fine if it's a one-off online activation, but if i am unable to play whenever my internet goes down i may cry.

[BigJas]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

BigJas wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

<snip>

In my opinion, Bioware was on the right track with ME2 and DA; a simple disc check plus free stuff for buying new. Did it stop pirates? Nope. But it was nice to see a company attempt to reward a buyer, rather than foolishly attempt to hinder a thief.

What's outlined here seems like a step backward from that.

In my opionion EA/Bioware didn't revert to a disc check because they thought it was a better idea to reward their paying customers. It was just a fallback position until they came up with something different. DA2 DRM is that something different that they hope will stir up less of a customer backlash than previous activation schemes.

Edit: spelling

You're probably right, but their fallback position strikes me as a much better system to adopt. Reward consumers, to hell with the thieves. No mattter what they do, pirates are going to pirate their games. Nothing they do will stop them. So why put so much focus into something that is never going to work? 

Hearing "Buy *random game* new and recieve *stuff* for free!" is much better than hearing "Buy *random game* new and, after a series of online authentications and registrations to ensure your not a flithy pirate, play it!"
It might not prevent any more piracy than any other DRM, but I imagine since it treats consumers better, it'll likely have positve effects.

Like I said, I'm...okay, but not really happy with a one time authentication. Requiring authentication each time the game is fired up is really not acceptable to me, and is stepping dangerously close to Ubisoft territory.

I agree, I wish they would think more about their paying customers.

[moilami]

It is good to see there is still people who argue for consumer rights.

[OfficerDonNZ]

Oh good god. This is making me seriously think about getting DA2 for the 360 (even though I have pre ordered the PC version and I hated the way the 360 verson of DA:0 played, couldn't get used to it at all) Still will reserve judgemnt untill the game actually comes out.

[Wyndham711]

I think this is a better solution than a disc check. I won't have to keep the disc in the drive and a single authentication (at the end of the installation process I presume) seems to be be enough. Sounds good.