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[Connect]

It's not like they did not use a better drm before. Look at Mass Effect 2 or Battlefield Bad Company 2. They both play fully offline. I just want them to do the same to the rest of their games. Why is it so hard for them to do it, seeing as they already did it on numerous occasions? And you will benefit from this too.



Also, what if the answer to your question is "very aggravating"?

[Soul Cool]

Connect wrote...
Also, what if the answer to your question is "very aggravating"?

I could always use more practice for the limit of my patience.

[LaztRezort]

In Exile wrote...
...but what I care about is how aggravating the DRM will be on a game I know I will purchase. If the answer is "not aggravating" that's all I care about.

This is basically how I feel about the matter.

[Connect]

So, what you are saying basically is "why fight for the freedom to use my purchase in a generally safe and unlimited way, when I can constantly worry about not being able to activate the game and be at the mercy of some obscure server?".



Especially since the eula says that you are on your, they have no obligations towards you. Not even to make sure your purchase works.

[Soul Cool]

Connect wrote...
Especially since the eula says that you are on your, they have no obligations towards you. Not even to make sure your purchase works.

You do realize that factory defects are covered by the warranty, correct?

Of course, they don't cover layer 8/PEBKAC problems, but what can you do? *shrug*

[Connect]

Soul Cool wrote...

Connect wrote...

Also, what if the answer to your question is "very aggravating"?

I could always use more practice for the limit of my patience.

And you still haven't answered my question. Or do you assume everything will always work perfectly for everyone?

Modifié par Connect, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:23 .

[Connect]

Soul Cool wrote...

Connect wrote...

Also, what if the answer to your question is "very aggravating"?

I could always use more practice for the limit of my patience.

And you still haven't answered my question. Or do you assume everything will always work perfectly for everyone?

[Soul Cool]

Connect wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

Connect wrote...
Also, what if the answer to your question is "very aggravating"?

I could always use more practice for the limit of my patience.

And you still haven't answered my question. Or do you assume everything will always work perfectly for everyone?

If there is, in fact, an extraordinary problem between my console and my disc, then I suppose I'll just have to solve it. PC DRM issues have never really bothered me, I understand the thoughts behind them, and even sympathize with them to some extent. Does this mean I dont get annoyed at the hoop-jumping? No. Does this mean I'm unwilling to do the hoop-jumping? Also no. Does it mean I want to have to do a rain-dance while twirling two batons while typing with my nose to play? Of course not, but I'd do it if it was absolutely required. (I expect I would find it immensely entertaining to embarrass myself like that, and the quality would be quite bad. Funny, nonetheless.) I'd rather go to absurd lengths to comply with the publisher than pirating the game, simply because I don't want that on my conscience. In fact, I'd probably feel physically sick from doing so, because it's such an unethical thing to me.

Modifié par Soul Cool, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:29 .

[Vizkos]

1) You can only play on 5 PCs in 24 hours: Who the hell cares? Most people have 2 PCs max. I personally have 2 PCs and 1 Laptop. Most would consider even that overly excessive.

2) You need an EA account: Surprise, didn't you need an EA account for ME2? Every EA game has required an EA account since Dragon Age.

3) Online Activation: Who cares? You have the internet, you can afford to do a two second activation. Your time isn't THAT valuable.

4) Why the hell would you order two copies of the same game? (Assuming its on the same platform, if its not, why do you care about the console version?)



The issue with the disc checks is that any idiot can crack it. Blame pirates for virtually destroying the integrity of the PC market.

[Ryzaki]

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/facepalms at the assumption that everyone has a constant internet connection or uses their gaming PC for the internet.

[Connect]

Prosthetics511 wrote...



1) You can only play on 5 PCs in 24 hours: Who the hell cares? Most people have 2 PCs max. I personally have 2 PCs and 1 Laptop. Most would consider even that overly excessive.

2) You need an EA account: Surprise, didn't you need an EA account for ME2? Every EA game has required an EA account since Dragon Age.

3) Online Activation: Who cares? You have the internet, you can afford to do a two second activation. Your time isn't THAT valuable.

4) Why the hell would you order two copies of the same game? (Assuming its on the same platform, if its not, why do you care about the console version?)



The issue with the disc checks is that any idiot can crack it. Blame pirates for virtually destroying the integrity of the PC market.

1. The first game didn't have this stupid limitation.



2. Completely false. Get your facts straight, dear user.



3. Me and millions others care. It's not the actual activation, but the fact that you rely on something you have absolutely no control over, just to play your game. Meanwhile, pirates don't have this problem.



4. To publicly show my sympathy for fully offline drm and the fact that it brings them more sales.



Blaming pirates is childish. There have been pirates since forever, but corporations had more respect for the consumers back then.

[AlanC9]

Ryzaki wrote...
/facepalms at the assumption that everyone has a constant internet connection or uses their gaming PC for the internet.

The connection doesn't have to be constant as far as we know. Dial up, authenticate, drop connection. NWN1 Premium mods worked just fine that way.

As for having an internet-free gaming PC, how many people do that? And, out of idle curiosity, why?

[AlanC9]

Connect wrote...
Blaming pirates is childish. There have been pirates since forever, but corporations had more respect for the consumers back then.

I think that's a fantasy; corporations never had respect for the consumer.

Edit: at least, not the kind of respect that would cause them to not use the best available DRM technology.

Even the companies who don't use DRM say they don't use it because it's good business not to. It's not idealism.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 janvier 2011 - 07:42 .

[edeheusch]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

1) You can only play on 5 PCs in 24 hours: Who the hell cares? Most people have 2 PCs max. I personally have 2 PCs and 1 Laptop. Most would consider even that overly excessive.
2) You need an EA account: Surprise, didn't you need an EA account for ME2? Every EA game has required an EA account since Dragon Age.
3) Online Activation: Who cares? You have the internet, you can afford to do a two second activation. Your time isn't THAT valuable.
4) Why the hell would you order two copies of the same game? (Assuming its on the same platform, if its not, why do you care about the console version?)

The issue with the disc checks is that any idiot can crack it. Blame pirates for virtually destroying the integrity of the PC market.

1) It's mean you need to be to be connected on internet to play the game and the server must be running. If you internet connection is down, you cannot play at all. If EA servers are down or if their bandwidth is not sufficient you cannot play either (and seeing many problems there were with the BSN and the DLC authentication we can confident that it will happens at the release).
2) No problem with that.
3) Not everybody as an internet connection in the world.
4) I don't want 2 copies of the game.

The issue with the disc checks online activation is that any idiot can crack it. Moreover the pirated version will not require any internet connection so they will be able to play even when their internet connection is down.

[AlanC9]

edeheusch wrote...
The issue with the disc checks online activation is that any idiot can crack it. Moreover the pirated version will not require any internet connection so they will be able to play even when their internet connection is down.

Right..... so if this is true, the very worst thing that can happen to you because of DRM is that you might have to get a pirate copy. I'm trying to see this as horrible for you, but I can't.

Assuming, of course, you have the bandwidth for that sort of thing.

[freddfx]

Anyone notice that The Witcher 2 will be DRM free.... hmm

[Ryzaki]

AlanC9 wrote...
The connection doesn't have to be constant as far as we know. Dial up, authenticate, drop connection. NWN1 Premium mods worked just fine that way.

As for having an internet-free gaming PC, how many people do that? And, out of idle curiosity, why?

Yeah well while I'm at home I have no interent period on my laptop. Believe it or not such things exist. I shouldn't have to run to the library to be able to play my game.

Enough for the DRM to be irritating. Why? Plenty of reasons. The internet doesn't work, maybe you use a laptop for internet browsing and piggy back off your neighbors internet but leave your desktop alone. *knows a few people who do such*

Hell some might have personal gaming PCs but the on PC connected to the internet is in the living room and an old piece of hardware used for little else than browsing the web.

Just because you personally don't do it doens't mean others don't.

And someone who pays for the game shouldn't have to rely on pirates for them to be able to play it. That's ridculous.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 janvier 2011 - 08:04 .

[edeheusch]

AlanC9 wrote...

edeheusch wrote...
The issue with the disc checks online activation is that any idiot can crack it. Moreover the pirated version will not require any internet connection so they will be able to play even when their internet connection is down.

Right..... so if this is true, the very worst thing that can happen to you because of DRM is that you might have to get a pirate copy. I'm trying to see this as horrible for you, but I can't.

Assuming, of course, you have the bandwidth for that sort of thing.

I don't want a pirated copy, but I cannot understand how a stupid DRM like could help fight hacking. The only effect I see with this sort of DRM is that they affect negatively the gaming of the honest customers.
The only 'positive' (for the sales) effect of these DRMs I could see is to ruin the second hand market. Perhaps it is the real target but EA don't want to concede it.

PS: If I wanted a pirated copy (like you seem to believe) I would not bother about the DRM and would not send my time to post on this topic.

[AlanC9]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah well while I'm at home I have no interent period on my laptop. Believe it or not such things exist. I shouldn't have to run to the library to be able to play my game.  

Enough for the DRM to be irritating. Why? Plenty of reasons. The internet doesn't work, maybe you use a laptop for internet browsing and piggy back off your neighbors internet but leave your desktop alone. *knows a few people who do such*

Hell some might have personal gaming PCs but the on PC connected to the internet is in the living room and an old piece of hardware used for little else than browsing the web.

Just because you personally don't do it doens't mean others don't.

Never said others don't. Just that I don't think there are very many of you.

[AlanC9]

edeheusch wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

edeheusch wrote...
The issue with the disc checks online activation is that any idiot can crack it. Moreover the pirated version will not require any internet connection so they will be able to play even when their internet connection is down.

Right..... so if this is true, the very worst thing that can happen to you because of DRM is that you might have to get a pirate copy. I'm trying to see this as horrible for you, but I can't.

Assuming, of course, you have the bandwidth for that sort of thing.

I don't want a pirated copy, but I cannot understand how a stupid DRM like could help fight hacking. The only effect I see with this sort of DRM is that they affect negatively the gaming of the honest customers.
The only 'positive' (for the sales) effect of these DRMs I could see is to ruin the second hand market. Perhaps it is the real target but EA don't want to concede it.

PS: If I wanted a pirated copy (like you seem to believe) I would not bother about the DRM and would not send my time to post on this topic.

What I said was that "the worst thing" is that you'd have to use a pirated copy. That obviouly doesn't mean that I think you want to use a pirated copy in the first place; it would be an awfully strange kind of "worst" that was also your preferred option.

I am questioning the severity of the problem. The worst-case situation doesn't seem to be very bad.

[ViSeiRa]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

The issue with the disc checks is that any idiot can crack it. Blame pirates for virtually destroying the integrity of the PC market.

Any idiot can crack online activation as well, it takes as much time to crack a disc check to crack online activation, companies should think about pirates not as lost customers because most of them won't buy the game anyway, people who are saying they don't like online activation should consider the fact that a crack will be online maybe even before the release day, lots of legit AC2 owners (myself included) cracked the game (nearly 2 months after release) because we didn't want to constantly connect to the interent to play the game and if the connection were to go down or the servers (happened twice) you wouldn't be able to play... this issue isn't going to affect DA2 however because it's just a ONE TIME onlice activation, I don't see why is that a probelm EVEN for people who don't have constant connections, as you can easily dial up - activate - shutup.

[edeheusch]

ViSeirA wrote...

Prosthetics511 wrote...

The issue with the disc checks is that any idiot can crack it. Blame pirates for virtually destroying the integrity of the PC market.

Any idiot can crack online activation as well, it takes as much time to crack a disc check to crack online activation, companies should think about pirates not as lost customers because most of them won't buy the game anyway, people who are saying they don't like online activation should consider the fact that a crack will be online maybe even before the release day, lots of legit AC2 owners (myself included) cracked the game (nearly 2 months after release) because we didn't want to constantly connect to the interent to play the game and if the connection were to go down or the servers (happened twice) you wouldn't be able to play... this issue isn't going to affect DA2 however because it's just a ONE TIME onlice activation, I don't see why is that a probelm EVEN for people who don't have constant connections, as you can easily dial up - activate - shutup.

The EULA claims that you cannot play on more than 5 different computers (with the same key) within a 24H period which would require an internet connection to check.
Either if it is already better than internet connection to play, I don't want online activation for single player games as we have no guaranties that we will still be able to activate the game in 10 years. Some time I still play to some old Cavedog or Westwood games, would we still be able to activate them if there were online activation linked to these games? I don't know but if a company is under liquidation I believe it will be the last of they concern to release no-activation patches for all they games.

[ViSeiRa]

Okay honest question and honest answer, how many PCs you've played Origins on?

Liquidation huh? you're talking about either Bioware or EA here, if EA were to go down sometime and their servers along with them I'm pretty sure Bioware is capable of releasing a no-activation patch, also online activation merely lasts a couple of years after game release when companies need their servers for activation from newer game releases, so the patch you're talking about it gonna get released no matter what.

[Connect]

ViSeirA wrote...

Liquidation huh? you're talking about either Bioware or EA here, if EA were to go down sometime and their servers along with them I'm pretty sure Bioware is capable of releasing a no-activation patch, also online activation merely lasts a couple of years after game release when companies need their servers for activation from newer game releases, so the patch you're talking about it gonna get released no matter what.

And just what makes you think that they would indeed release a patch when the eula CLEARLY states that they have no obligation whatsoever to provide you with assistance, nor do they guarantee the functionality of the product. Are you going to believe in rumours or an official, written document from the publisher?

[Jazharah]

 I never found this 'log in for authentication' such a problem, though it's bothersome if comcast is having issues. Now, right this moment however, my internet is just fine and the game keeps telling me I'm not connected to the internet. Just because a damn server at EA is down, doesn't mean I should be prohibited to play the game and content I paid for.

And so, I'm jumping on the bandwagon of being against this type of DRM. Yay me