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#476
Sylvius the Mad

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AlanC9 wrote...

As for having an internet-free gaming PC, how many people do that? And, out of idle curiosity, why?

Okay, so lets say you engage in the occasional downloading of television programs you missed (or perhaps that aren't available where you live).  Technically, that's copyright infringment.

Now suppose you travel, and you like to take a laptop with you for gaming.  When crossing international borders (particularly the US border) your laptop can be taken and checked for illegal content, and illegally copied material (even if copyingit was legal where you were when you did it) counts.

As such, I know at least one person who has one computer that connects to the internet, and another that travels with him.  Since the travelling computer doesn't need to go online, it often isn't particularly well-suited to going online (perhaps you don't have a wireless network, and your laptop doesn't have an ethernet port - or in my case, I do have a wireless network, but my laptop doesn't have a wireless card, and its ethernet port is broken) since it doesn't usually, so its security isn't great (most OS patches these days seem to be security patches, so if you don't go online you really don't need them).

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ViSeirA wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Are you trying to sarcastic? Lots and lots of people still have no internet connections around the world. 


No I'm not being sarcastic, if it requires online activation it's not so hard to plug in a dial up connection once and be done with it, also yes most people around the world have internet access at some point... be that DSL, T1 or whatever.



Um, no, you would be wrong. I live in Southern Spain, and I am the only one in the village with a computer and broadband(very unreliable broad band). 5 other people have computers, but only two have internet, and those are dial up. Most people around here, when they need internet, go to an internet cafe, but have a computer at home.

There are many places in the world, for various reasons, do not have access to at home internet for various reasons.

#478
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csoulsby wrote...

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Hopefully there will be an official announcement soon about the DRM.  I don't have the SE addition so i've no problem changing to the PS3 version if the DRM is too strict.  I'm just sick of being treated like a criminal.


If I was Mr EA, I'd keep the information embargo in place, chuckle in an evil manner and explain to my minions, "No need to fan the flames and risk losing more pre-orders."[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Seriously though, there does appear to be some differences in interpretaion which could use some clarification.

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I have broadband at home with wi-fi but as I said in my last post I'm often required to work away from home in obscure remote places (specifically because they are obscure and remote) where I don't have internet access. If I'm camping out then I like to game a bit on my laptop as I often can't get enough of a signal for my mobile phone never mind the 3G card, GPRS sometimes works sometimes it doesn't. You can't just go round assuming your customers have always available internet access for DRM. Well yo can just don't expect them to stay customers.

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BigJas wrote...

csoulsby wrote...

Hopefully there will be an official announcement soon about the DRM.  I don't have the SE addition so i've no problem changing to the PS3 version if the DRM is too strict.  I'm just sick of being treated like a criminal.


If I was Mr EA, I'd keep the information embargo in place, chuckle in an evil manner and explain to my minions, "No need to fan the flames and risk losing more pre-orders."[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Seriously though, there does appear to be some differences in interpretaion which could use some clarification.


Your synopsis could well be accurate. Whether by accident or by intentional cunning, people are somewhat locked-in if they have pre-ordered the Special Edition. They can't give it up at this point without losing the bonus material. I don't think too many are going to be concerned enough about either the DRM and many don't bother reading the EULA.

I just noticed this earlier and the more I read the DA 2 EULA and compare it to other software, the less I like it. On DA:O and DA:A (packaged) the online disclosure reads:  “Acceptance of end user license agreement required to play.”  Very simple.

DA 2 (packaged) is worded significantly different: “ONLINE PASS SERIAL CODE EXPIRES MARCH 31, 2012.  EA ACCOUNT, REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODES, INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT REQUIRED TO PLAY AND TO ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ONLINE FEATURES AND/OR SERVICES.”

You can't even play it out of the box on a stand-alone computer as you could with DA:O or ME2. Maybe that's why it's called Dragon Age; it's getting more and more draconian. Almost certainly there are lawyers, the Tyrannus Lex, to be found in Thedas.

Still time to wait for 'clarification' on the DRM, although DA 2 must be nearly completed by now, for an on time March release.

#481
Stanley Woo

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Sorry, but I'm going to shut down this discussion now, as there's far too much discussion of circumventing copy protection and going off-topic.



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