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[Ryzaki]

bzombo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Catsith wrote...

Uh, I never said that. I know DA2 is going to be pirated like crazy, probably more than DA:O was. And I'm sure TW2 will be pirated even more than either of them. 

If TW2 is pirated more than DA2 there'll be a good chance its beause its better selling than DA2.

Not because of some DRM scheme.

the chances of tw2 outselling da2 are about as good as the earth growing legs and running laps around the moon.

Which is why the chances are good that DA2 will be pirated far more. DRM or no.

[ankuu]

Ryzaki wrote...

Catsith wrote...

Uh, I never said that. I know DA2 is going to be pirated like crazy, probably more than DA:O was. And I'm sure TW2 will be pirated even more than either of them. 

If TW2 is pirated more than DA2 there'll be a good chance its beause its better selling than DA2.

Not because of some DRM scheme.

TW2 might not be pirated due the the warnings they've set out. A company is going to track down those who download it ilegal and sent them a nice fine.

[Merci357]

Amyntas wrote...

DRM doesn't work anyway, it only punishes actual customers. The way to prevent piracy is to provide an online component that requires a unique id and that players actually want to use, like in Starcraft 2 or FPS games like Black Ops etc. . If you make things more convenient for pirates than actual customers you're only going to hurt yourself.

Yep, that's it. The catch is, this works with games that have a multiplayer component just fine. If BioWare/EA really wanted to combat piracy (and pirates are often no lost customers, anyway), they should rather invest into a battle.net clone. DRM is just superfluous hassle for legitimate customers.

[Maria Caliban]

Connect wrote...

Now I have 2 pre-orders for the BioWare signature edition and I am canceling one and will probably cancel the second one too. Screw this, I'll get it in the bargain bin for 3 dollars next year.

If you put online activation DRM in Mass Effect 3 too then I am done with BioWare.

1. It's not BioWare's fault that the publisher picks one form of DRM or the other. If this is an issue to you, I'd think the solution would be to avoid games with DRM you don't like instead of blacklisting a developer no matter what DRM comes with their game.

2. EA eventually repealed the DRM on ME 1. And I think they did the same with Assassin's Creed 2. I expect this is because ME 2 was one of the most pirated games of last year and they don't want a repeat of that. Expect the copy protection to change after a year.

[imkaoo]

I figured out better DMR for EA:



Just hire a service man who will manually visit every gamer and activate his game on location.



Genius, isnt't it?

[ViSeiRa]

bzombo wrote...

the chances of tw2 outselling da2 are about as good as the earth growing legs and running laps around the moon.

Baseless assumption, TW2 may not get a lot of marketing like DA2 but I can assure you it'll sell as much as DA2 if not more and time will be the judge to that.

[Phoenixblight]

ViSeirA wrote...

bzombo wrote...

the chances of tw2 outselling da2 are about as good as the earth growing legs and running laps around the moon.

Baseless assumption, TW2 may not get a lot of marketing like DA2 but I can assure you it'll sell as much as DA2 if not more and time will be the judge to that.

As long as its not as bugged as the original Witcher was on release and then you had to wait months til they brought out a patch fixing most of the game breaking bugs.

[bzombo]

Ryzaki wrote...

bzombo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Catsith wrote...

Uh, I never said that. I know DA2 is going to be pirated like crazy, probably more than DA:O was. And I'm sure TW2 will be pirated even more than either of them. 

If TW2 is pirated more than DA2 there'll be a good chance its beause its better selling than DA2.

Not because of some DRM scheme.

the chances of tw2 outselling da2 are about as good as the earth growing legs and running laps around the moon.

Which is why the chances are good that DA2 will be pirated far more. DRM or no.

in absolute numbers, yes. in proportion to tw2, da2 might be pirated less.

[slimgrin]

I really hope GoG's model works. Lots of pessimists out there, but I think they at least have the balls to try something different, something that doesn't inconvenience buying customers. EA is leagues behind them.

[Connect]

Nighteye2 wrote...

I don't like online-checks, for reasons
that have been repeated a lot already. I just hope the OP read it wrong
and that the DRM is the same as DA:O, where only the DLC required an
online check...

I feel your pain, man. I really do. Unfortunately, here's a word-by-word quote from the EULA:

B. Technical Protection Measures. This Software uses EA Activation

content
protection technology.[/b] An EA Account, including the acceptance of EA’s
online Terms of Service and Privacy Policy (available at www.ea.com),
and an Internet connection are required to authenticate the Software and
verify your license upon the initial launch of the Software on any
unique machine (“Authenticate” or “Authentication”). EA
reserves the right to validate your license through subsequent online
Authentication. While there is no limit on the total number of machines
on which the Software can be Authenticated, you may launch and access
the Software on no more than five (5) unique machines in any rolling
24-hour period.

The
technical protection measures of this Software may interfere with
certain applications, such as debuggers, when such software could
potentially be used to circumvent the access-control technology as
prohibited by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.[/b]

Ryzaki wrote...

If TW2 is pirated more than DA2 there'll be a good chance its beause its better selling than DA2.

Not because of some DRM scheme.

Quoted for truth.

Modifié par Connect, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:12 .

[Maria Caliban]

Bann Duncan wrote...

Hold on, does this mean you don't need the disc in the drive to play? Sounds good to me!

Online activation is actually more convenient for me than a disk check.

the_one_54321 wrote...

pitchblaq wrote...
5 PCs in 24 hours?!
OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

I'm sure what you meant to say was inhumanity. Unless you were trying to ironically parady the broadcast from the Hindenberg disaster.

'Oh the humanity' is correct. The Hindenberg disaster is what introduced that idiom into the general consciousness and has kept it there today.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:14 .

[bzombo]

ViSeirA wrote...

bzombo wrote...

the chances of tw2 outselling da2 are about as good as the earth growing legs and running laps around the moon.

Baseless assumption, TW2 may not get a lot of marketing like DA2 but I can assure you it'll sell as much as DA2 if not more and time will be the judge to that.

what's makes your baseless assumption any better? at least i have sales figures of the original games to back up my "baseless" assumption. you have happy thoughts to back up yours.

Modifié par bzombo, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:13 .

[Bann Duncan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

Hold on, does this mean you don't need the disc in the drive to play? Sounds good to me!

Online activation is actually more convenient for me than a disk check.

Same here. I wasn't being sarcastic.

[Maria Caliban]

Bann Duncan wrote...

I wasn't being sarcastic.

I know.

[Loc'n'lol]

Bann Duncan wrote...

Hold on, does this mean you don't need the disc in the drive to play? Sounds good to me!

Yeah uh, that would be awesome. I like having a boxed copy but I'd rather my CDs stay inside it at all times unless I need to reinstall.

And uh... @OP if that was sarcastic, well played. If not, WTF is wrong with you ? 5 PCs every 24 hours ? Who does that ? One-time online check ? Looks like you're posting on the internet right now, does that really bother you ?

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:18 .

[FurousJoe]

the_one_54321 wrote...

pitchblaq wrote...
5 PCs in 24 hours?!
OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

I'm sure what you meant to say was inhumanity. Unless you were trying to ironically parady the broadcast from the Hindenberg disaster.

ViSeirA wrote...
What's wrong with online activation? seems pretty reasonable to me, all people have good internet connections now... the DRM that is not acceptable is what Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed 2 and so on, online activation is perfectly fine.

Are you trying to sarcastic? Lots and lots of people still have no internet connections around the world.

Get with the times etc?

These games doesn't require huge amounts of bandwitdth. You sign in and it periodically checks if you're still online and that's IT.

If you don't have bandwitdh to support that, or no internet at all, get a new hobby, because in the future this will be the norm, and the future is sooner than you think.

[ViSeiRa]

bzombo wrote...

what's makes your baseless assumption any better? at least i have sales figures of the original games to back up my "baseless" assumption. you have happy thoughts to back up yours.

Oh really? TW1 sold 1 million copies worldwide in the first 2 weeks of release, that went up to 1.5 million copies before the release of the enhanced edition and THAT was for a PC only game... I don't want to sound like I prefer TW over DA because I don't and each game has its strengths and weaknesses so I'll stop write there and won't comment on the topic again.

[megaz635]

This guy is overreacting people.

Mass effect 2 is EA Published and did we have to make the game work through an EA account? No.

He just screwed over his pre-orderd edition. Have a nice day.

Modifié par megaz635, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:25 .

[Connect]

Maria Caliban wrote...

1. It's not BioWare's fault that
the publisher picks one form of DRM or the other.

2. EA eventually repealed the DRM on ME 1. And I
think they did the same with Assassin's Creed 2. I expect this is
because ME 2 was one of the most pirated games of last year and they
don't want a repeat of that. Expect the copy protection to change after a
year.

1. True, but I think they have a bit of leverage to negotiate with EA, since they had the best rated PC game of 2010 and they provide a fat chunk of income to EA.

2. They only removed the "weekly authentication" garbage. You still need to activate it and keep it under 5 installs. And EA had nothing to do with Assassin's Creed 2.

3. If you think limiting honest customers' access to the game will stop ME3 from being pirated, you are wrong. Assassin's Creed 2 was also one of the most pirated games of last year and look what DRM it had.

4. Ricitelli (or whatever his name is), EA CEO, has stated that he seeks to turn pirates into paying customers, through DLC. So even if a user pirates the game, EA could still get 5-10 dollars if the pirate buys some DLC.

5. If you use less restrictive DRM you also get more sales. I'm living proof. I never would have gotten 2 copies of Mass Effect 2 at launch if they had this scheme they're doing with Dragon Age II. I wouldn't have even gotten 1 copy. And I wouldn't go spending my money on 2 copies of The Witcher 2 if they would keep disc checks in Dragon Age II retail.

Bann Duncan wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

Hold on, does this mean you don't need the disc in the drive to play? Sounds good to me!

Online activation is actually more convenient for me than a disk check.

Same here. I wasn't being sarcastic.

You fail to realize, after I have repeated 3 times, that YOU CAN PLAY WITH NO DISC if you input your serial key in EA Download Manager!

But now it's ALL online. For the people who love the disc checks it's game over! You could still get your fancy online authentication EVEN on disc check games. But it doesn't work the other way around.

[Saibh]

ViSeirA wrote...

bzombo wrote...

what's makes your baseless assumption any better? at least i have sales figures of the original games to back up my "baseless" assumption. you have happy thoughts to back up yours.

Oh really? TW1 sold 1 million copies worldwide in the first 2 weeks of release, that went up to 1.5 million copies before the release of the enhanced edition and THAT was for a PC only game... I don't want to sound like I prefer TW over DA because I don't and each game has its strengths and weaknesses so I'll stop write there and won't comment on the topic again.

ViSeirA, I really doubt it will sell as well as DAII. Disregarding my personal feelings about the quality of the game, TW2 only comes on one platform. DAII will come on three.

Modifié par Saibh, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:25 .

[the_one_54321]

FurousJoe wrote...
Get with the times etc?

These games doesn't require huge amounts of bandwitdth. You sign in and it periodically checks if you're still online and that's IT.

If you don't have bandwitdh to support that, or no internet at all, get a new hobby, because in the future this will be the norm, and the future is sooner than you think.

I have a constant internet connection on my phone, let alone the need to worry about having adequate connection on my PC. My comments were not with regard to whether or not I will be able to install and play the game. I just bother to take into consideration that just because I come from a place where internet connections are easy and pain free does not mean that there are not still lots and lots of people around the globe that may want to buy and play this game but do not have a reliable connection.

[Count Viceroy]

ankuu wrote...

TW2 might not be pirated due the the warnings they've set out. A company is going to track down those who download it ilegal and sent them a nice fine.

LoL, that's a bunch of crap. If they seriously believe that themselves....  I wish them luck.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:28 .

[Tsyele]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

I like having a boxed copy but I'd rather my CDs stay inside it at all times unless I need to reinstall.

This

As long as I can share the copy with my brother, I'd hate to share the computer and I'm not about to buy two copies for the same platform at release time

[upsettingshorts]

I'm entirely certain I'll never understand what the huge deal is about the concept of DRM.

It's one thing if it actively prevents legitimate customers from playing the game - I can understand that frustration.  But aside from that?  I really can't imagine a scenario in which I'd care.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:31 .

[sth128]

I'm okay with a one-time activation. If they require an internet connection (ie. no off-line play) then I'm going to be angry. Whatever the case is, I hope EA and Bioware managed to work out the DLC issue that so many experienced in DAO.



If I see another "DLC not activated" in my game when I paid and activated them, I'm going to rain fire and brimstone on EA headquarters...Yes, I have the ability to rain fire and brimstone.