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[The Unfallen]

This is hilarious.

[JeanLuc761]

mangeo wrote...

H383 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

It completely abandoned the 1'st game.

The first game is over. Why would you want continue with it? Even if you could, it'd probably just be Citadel clean up duty.

Its called a sequal...
& they did a very poor job....

You have zero interest in listening to the points I've been making, don't you

[JeanLuc761]

mangeo wrote...

Oh man you know....
Its nothing against you but its my forum you know?
Dont try to sway the forum creaters opinion...

Well, the point of a thread is to establish a dialogue between multiple people.  It's not (always) about proving a point, but about providing discussion matter.  In this case, I was simply offering a rebuttal to the points you're making, and all I'm asking is for you to defend your points (which you haven't).

Besides, your attitude is very close-minded, which is not a good thing.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 21 janvier 2011 - 11:12 .

[JeanLuc761]

mangeo wrote...
Oh sorry i havent been around i was bussy having a life...
I'll make sure to be more atentative & agressive from now on man....

*sighs*
You've missed the point completely.  The point of creating a thread is to promote discussion, period.

Nice try at insulting me though.

[The Spamming Troll]

i agree with mangeo.



mass effect 3 is going to be more like Mass Effect2: part2.



id rather eat poop.

[CroGamer002]

mangeo wrote...

Mass Effect 2 killed the series & anyone who would actualy genuanly be excited about Mass Effect 3
is obviously a Halo fan who is just on here to make sure the third game will become a full on
shooter with no RPG elements left what so ever.
So hows that?
I forsee a bann in my future....

So for some reason I'm Halo fan( FPS game) if I'm excited about ME3( TPS game) and you were compering that game with Gears of War( also TPS game)?
I don't understand your logic.



And since you dislike ME2 and think ME3 will suck then why are you here?

[CroGamer002]

mangeo wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i agree with mangeo.

mass effect 3 is going to be more like Mass Effect2: part2.

id rather eat poop.

Well thank you!!!
I would rather eat poop also!!!

Are you guys 12?

[GuardianAngel470]

mangeo wrote...

Mass Effect 2 killed the series & anyone who would actualy genuanly be excited about Mass Effect 3
is obviously a Halo fan who is just on here to make sure the third game will become a full on
shooter with no RPG elements left what so ever.
So hows that?
I forsee a bann in my future....

You're very fond of stereotypes aren't you? Anyone who's a Halo fan wants ME3 to be just a shooter and anyone who disagrees with you and wants to have a discussion on a forum obviously has no life.

Let me just say that I love most of the Halo games and I also love the STALKER series where you can be killed with a single headshot.

I loved ME1 for the loot (was very good a finding stuff) and loved KOTOR 1 and 2.

And I say you're being too picky. In fact, the very fact that you're criticizing the game for a poor storyline (from a certain perspective that is true) on an internet forum leads me to a certain stereotype of a guy sitting at his computer in his parents basement. Does that mean its accurate? Who knows but you?

Point is, stereotypes are bad.

As to your initial post, I played the Mass Effect series for the characters. The fact that Bioware was able to craft believable, likable, and interesting characters that were also aliens is amazing to me. I ignored the bad shooter elements of ME1 for over 10 playthroughs because of those characters and the stories they wove. 

After ME2 was so focused on characters I was quite happy. Though some of them seemed outlandish in nature Bioware was able to make them believable. From the eccentric doctor to the assassin with a heart to the Word of Law herself (Samara) I became invested in these characters. The fact that the story focused on them instead of a larger storyline is fine with me.

Could they have handled the Collectors better? Sure. But that wasn't their intent. They deliberately made the story about the characters and not the enemies. That is a legitimate literary style.

What you and others seem to be doing is basing your opinions on your expectations rather than what is provided. You expected ME2 to be about something larger, something grand like ME1. You expected the enemy to be the sole focus of the game, like it was in ME1. You were let down and now you want to claim that the writers failed.

It isn't the writers that have failed but you. You aren't taking the game for what it is you are taking it for what you wanted it to be. As a story about characters it excels.  Yes there are flaws (Repetition of daddy issues, small amount of dialog per character) but as a whole it does what it set out to do.

[Nodscouter]

Mangeo obviously has no intention to listening to points. I'm not dissing your view, but it seems that as soon as someone gives some arguments for their own cause, mangeo goes ''OHLALALALALALALA I DIDNT HEAR ANYTHING. by the way me2 suckls lololololol'' or also ''lol dude you aint haz got no life you r just living in your parents basement tlolololol''

SO yea, it's hard to debate against someone who don't want to accept that there are others who have different viewpoints than his own.



Also, Guardian, kudos to your sig mate!

[Babli]

How ME 2 respects the story of ME 1:

Liara - Prothean expert, saw Vigils and Sovereigns conversations with Shepard, knows about the Reapers, lost mother because of them, dont want to be reaped obviously. In ME 2? Reapers? What? No I must revenge this random drell I was on one mission with.

Wrex - Also knows everything about the Reapers. In ME 2? Busy sharing females. Not even asking Shep about the Reapers.

VS - We saved his/her life, not just once, knows about the Reapers. In ME 2? I´m alliance soldier, its in my blood, you traitor.

Council - whole ME 1 we tried to convince them about the Reapers and in ending they acknowledged their existence. In ME 2? Ah yes, "Reapers". The immortal race of sentient starships, allegedly waiting in darkspace...

Cerberus - In ME 2 we couldnt talk about anything what happened in ME 1. Anything. Kahoku? meh.. Akuze? meh..who cares about something that changed Shepards life.

And these are just few problems with continuity. I wouldnt call something like this a good sequel (plot-wise).
Count in weak main plot which doesnt even make sense since Collectors would never succeed and you know why in my opinion is ME 2 dissapointment and bad sequel.

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

How ME 2 respects the story of ME 1:

Liara - Prothean expert, saw Vigils and Sovereigns conversations with Shepard, knows about the Reapers, lost mother because of them, dont want to be reaped obviously. In ME 2? Reapers? What? No I must revenge this random drell I was on one mission with.

That random Drell saved Shepard's life!

Also you were dead and she got some very powerful job and couldn't just leave especially with SB as enemy.
And then with that even she becomes SB which means she get's more useful then to be squadmate.

Wrex - Also knows everything about the Reapers. In ME 2? Busy sharing females. Not even asking Shep about the Reapers.

Let's not forget part where he is, I don't know, TRYING TO UNITE KROGAN CLANS!!!!!!!!

VS - We saved his/her life, not just once, knows about the Reapers. In ME 2? I´m alliance soldier, its in my blood, you traitor.

You come back to them after 2 years, thinking Shep was dead and then he/she shows up with terrorist organization. Their reaction is understandable.

Council - whole ME 1 we tried to convince them about the Reapers and in ending they acknowledged their existence. In ME 2? Ah yes, "Reapers". The immortal race of sentient starships, allegedly waiting in darkspace...

They are retards. Hopefully we will rub it to their faces in ME3.

Cerberus - In ME 2 we couldnt talk about anything what happened in ME 1. Anything. Kahoku? meh.. Akuze? meh..who cares about something that changed Shepards life.

I have to agree on that one.

And these are just few problems with continuity. I wouldnt call something like this a good sequel (plot-wise).

You were right only  1/5 continuity errors and that one isn't really important for main pot.

Count in weak main plot which doesnt even make sense since Collectors would never succeed and you know why in my opinion is ME 2 dissapointment and bad sequel.

How about you judge ME2 what it is and not what you wanted?

Modifié par Mesina2, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:21 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Babli wrote...

How ME 2 respects the story of ME 1:

Liara - Prothean expert, saw Vigils and Sovereigns conversations with Shepard, knows about the Reapers, lost mother because of them, dont want to be reaped obviously. In ME 2? Reapers? What? No I must revenge this random drell I was on one mission with.

Wrex - Also knows everything about the Reapers. In ME 2? Busy sharing females. Not even asking Shep about the Reapers.

VS - We saved his/her life, not just once, knows about the Reapers. In ME 2? I´m alliance soldier, its in my blood, you traitor.

Council - whole ME 1 we tried to convince them about the Reapers and in ending they acknowledged their existence. In ME 2? Ah yes, "Reapers". The immortal race of sentient starships, allegedly waiting in darkspace...

Cerberus - In ME 2 we couldnt talk about anything what happened in ME 1. Anything. Kahoku? meh.. Akuze? meh..who cares about something that changed Shepards life.

And these are just few problems with continuity. I wouldnt call something like this a good sequel (plot-wise).
Count in weak main plot which doesnt even make sense since Collectors would never succeed and you know why in my opinion is ME 2 dissapointment and bad sequel.

Yes, the reset button is annoying. However, in the interest of discussion, Wrex could very well be planning on using a united krogan to fight the reapers, but he obviously wouldn't be able to say that in front of everybody there.

The council could, possibly, be bluffing, just as Anderson did if you ask him about the VS before doing Horizon. Association with Cerberus and all that.

Cerberus was handled poorly, no doubt about that. However, it is, in the grand scheme of design, a minor point. I again point you to the focus intended, the Characters. The Cerberus affiliation was a plot device, and a crude one, but the focus of the game was well executed and engaging. Level design was good, character development was for the most part good across the board, and the characters were believable.

As for the VS, again it could easily be explained as a feint that the player can't recognize. The VS answers to Anderson, and Anderson is a part of the council/major part of the government. Due to Shepard's association with Cerberus, they wouldn't be able to divulge any of their plans, especially not ones being kept secret from the general public.

Even if those things aren't true, the game still excels at its characters (IMO) which were Bioware's intended focus. I believe you are basing your disappointment on ME1.

As a sequel, ME2 provided you with a loyal crew of tier one operatives capable of entire missions on their own. It provided you with the Normandy 2.0, a deadly force to be reckoned with. It provided you with the tools to end the Quarian/Geth War, close allies in the form of Wrex and the Rachni Queen, and the Shadow Broker as a close friend/LI.

Shepard now has the ability to command entire legions, has the logistical prowess of the Shadow Broker to provide intelligence, and can now operate independently and outside of the control of Cerberus, the Council, and Alliance.

This game did a lot to advance the story, just not what you expected it to do.

[Babli]

Mesina2 wrote...
That random Drell saved Shepard's life!
Also you were dead and she got some very powerful job and couldn't just leave especially with SB as enemy.
And then with that even she becomes SB which means she get's more useful then to be squadmate.

And thats more important then ...Reapers? Really? One drell can be all that stands between ...nevermind.
Not to mention that at first, Liara want to defeat SB only because of revenge. Thats all she was talking about. Just in last segment of LotSB she is like"oh and I can be SB now! lulz"
It would be better if from the start she had this attitude of becoming the SB and not just kill him. But she never said anything like this before LotSB.

Let's not forget part where he is, I don't know, TRYING TO UNITE KROGAN CLANS!!!!!!!!

Even billions of Krogans cant stop Reapers. Not with brute force. And if he did this because of the Reapers, why he doesnt even talk with Shepard about them? He is for 2 years uniting krogans because of the Reapers and when Shep came back, he wont even bring this topic? I dont buy it.

You come back to them after 2 years, thinking Shep was dead and then he/she shows up with terrorist organization. Their reaction is understandable.

That may be true since we dont know whats their secret mission. But writting on Horizon was bad. Especially on Shepard´s part.

How about you judge ME2 what it is and not what you wanted?

Well thats exactly what I´m doing. I´m judging ME 2 for what it is. Bad sequel. That doesnt mean its a bad game. Its the best one I played in 2010. But I´m still dissapointed with story.

Modifié par Babli, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:49 .

[Babli]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Yes, the reset button is annoying. However, in the interest of discussion, Wrex could very well be planning on using a united krogan to fight the reapers, but he obviously wouldn't be able to say that in front of everybody there.

The council could, possibly, be bluffing, just as Anderson did if you ask him about the VS before doing Horizon. Association with Cerberus and all that.

Cerberus was handled poorly, no doubt about that. However, it is, in the grand scheme of design, a minor point. I again point you to the focus intended, the Characters. The Cerberus affiliation was a plot device, and a crude one, but the focus of the game was well executed and engaging. Level design was good, character development was for the most part good across the board, and the characters were believable.

As for the VS, again it could easily be explained as a feint that the player can't recognize. The VS answers to Anderson, and Anderson is a part of the council/major part of the government. Due to Shepard's association with Cerberus, they wouldn't be able to divulge any of their plans, especially not ones being kept secret from the general public.

Even if those things aren't true, the game still excels at its characters (IMO) which were Bioware's intended focus. I believe you are basing your disappointment on ME1.

As a sequel, ME2 provided you with a loyal crew of tier one operatives capable of entire missions on their own. It provided you with the Normandy 2.0, a deadly force to be reckoned with. It provided you with the tools to end the Quarian/Geth War, close allies in the form of Wrex and the Rachni Queen, and the Shadow Broker as a close friend/LI.

Shepard now has the ability to command entire legions, has the logistical prowess of the Shadow Broker to provide intelligence, and can now operate independently and outside of the control of Cerberus, the Council, and Alliance.

This game did a lot to advance the story, just not what you expected it to do.

Characters. I like most of them, but as was said somewhere else, we just pokémon them. There is very little interaction between them. You just do their recruit mission and they are locked in their rooms. Look at interaction of your squad in DA:O. And that game wasnt even about the characters. Samara has nothing to say on Zaeeds mission? Thane has nothing to say on Garrus loyalty mission? His view on revenge? And lists goes on. There are few exceptions like Legion on Tali´s mission and Tali on Legion´s mission but when game is supposed to be about the characters, then there should be more interaction between them. Team must work together but most of them are seeing others for the first time when suicide mission starts. There was one topic with Mordin/Grunt confrontation cut of audio. I´m sure there was supposed to be more confrontations but they were cutted. I´m sure ME 2 could use few more months in development.

I remember when when I took Grunt on Mordins mission, that he just stood there while Mordins was deleting genophage. Nothing to say Grunt? Really?

Modifié par Babli, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:51 .

[rooky91]

Stop feeding the Trolls people. Or are we feeding a Krogan because his responses seem to lack any real intelligence... This is why the Genophage was created !!!

Modifié par rooky91, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Babli wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Yes, the reset button is annoying. However, in the interest of discussion, Wrex could very well be planning on using a united krogan to fight the reapers, but he obviously wouldn't be able to say that in front of everybody there.

The council could, possibly, be bluffing, just as Anderson did if you ask him about the VS before doing Horizon. Association with Cerberus and all that.

Cerberus was handled poorly, no doubt about that. However, it is, in the grand scheme of design, a minor point. I again point you to the focus intended, the Characters. The Cerberus affiliation was a plot device, and a crude one, but the focus of the game was well executed and engaging. Level design was good, character development was for the most part good across the board, and the characters were believable.

As for the VS, again it could easily be explained as a feint that the player can't recognize. The VS answers to Anderson, and Anderson is a part of the council/major part of the government. Due to Shepard's association with Cerberus, they wouldn't be able to divulge any of their plans, especially not ones being kept secret from the general public.

Even if those things aren't true, the game still excels at its characters (IMO) which were Bioware's intended focus. I believe you are basing your disappointment on ME1.

As a sequel, ME2 provided you with a loyal crew of tier one operatives capable of entire missions on their own. It provided you with the Normandy 2.0, a deadly force to be reckoned with. It provided you with the tools to end the Quarian/Geth War, close allies in the form of Wrex and the Rachni Queen, and the Shadow Broker as a close friend/LI.

Shepard now has the ability to command entire legions, has the logistical prowess of the Shadow Broker to provide intelligence, and can now operate independently and outside of the control of Cerberus, the Council, and Alliance.

This game did a lot to advance the story, just not what you expected it to do.

Characters. I like most of them, but as was said somewhere else, we just pokémon them. There is very little interaction between them. You just do their recruit mission and they are locked in their rooms. Look at interaction of your squad in DA:O. And that game wasnt even about the characters. Samara has nothing to say on Zaeeds mission? Thane has nothing to say on Garrus loyalty mission? His view on revenge? And lists goes on. There are few exceptions like Legion on Tali´s mission and Tali on Legion´s mission but when game is supposed to be about the characters, then there should be more interaction between them. Team must work together but most of them are seeing others for the first time when suicide mission starts. There was one topic with Mordin/Grunt confrontation cut of audio. I´m sure there was supposed to be more confrontations but they were cutted. I´m sure ME 2 could use few more months in development.

I remember when when I took Grunt on Mordins mission, that he just stood there while Mordins was deleting genophage. Nothing to say Grunt? Really?

Well, DA:O was in development for five-six years and ME2 was in development for two. You can't really compare the two's squad banter.

I do agree that squad banter was limited and would have loved to see more comments but even then the character development of everybody but Garrus and Tali was still excellent. There were flaws yes, namely the lack of friendship dialog, but between the hour long Loyalty missions for each character, that had further dialog that have insight into the characters, and the on ship stuff ME2 did a good job at getting me engaged with all 12 of my squadmates. That in and of itself is impressive.

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

And thats more important then ...Reapers? Really? One drell can be all that stands between ...nevermind.
Not to mention that at first, Liara want to defeat SB only because of revenge. Thats all she was talking about. Just in last segment of LotSB she is like"oh and I can be SB now! lulz"
It would be better if from the start she had this attitude of becoming the SB and not just kill him. But she never said anything like this before LotSB.

Well you owe that Drell life.
Besides SB is threat to you and why not save him and take care of SB + Liara to take his place.
Also LotSB prevously was part of ME2 but later cut out since Bioware wasn't happy with end result.
And didn't she talked about becoming SB? Cause it she isn't ambitious. Besides since DLC is announced everybody knew she will take his place.

Even billions of Krogans cant stop Reapers. Not with brute force. And if he did this because of the Reapers, why he doesnt even talk with Shepard about them? He is for 2 years uniting krogans because of the Reapers and when Shep came back, he wont even bring this topic? I dont buy it.

What would be the point of talking about Reapers? We would just talk about what we already know so pointless.

That may be true since we dont know whats their secret mission. But writting on Horizon was bad. Especially on Shepard´s part.

Wasn't it explained that they were thinking Cerberus is involved with colonist abduction and they suspected Horizon will be next to be attacked and reason then thought that is because Illusive Man "slipped" some info?

Well thats exactly what I´m doing. I´m judging ME 2 for what it is. Bad sequel. That doesnt mean its a bad game. Its the best one I played in 2010. But I´m still dissapointet with story.

And how is ME2 a bad sequel? You didn't prove it.