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Mass Effect 2 starts the series?

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#76
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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 12:34

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Mesina2 wrote...

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i agree with mangeo.

mass effect 3 is going to be more like Mass Effect2: part2.

id rather eat poop.




Well thank you!!!
I would rather eat poop also!!!



Are you guys 12?


why, because only 12 year olds like to eat poop?

ME2 didnt need ME1 at all. its a different game. ME2, to me, resembles more of gears of war with biotics, then what i started with in ME1. ME1 blew my mind. ME2 is a measly little weekend rental. ME2 gives me blue balls. i feel like it should have been so much more, when it offered so much less.



Oh my God, you remind me on Irategamer fanboys.


And did you even played Gears of War? Besides cover mechanic games don't look even remotely similar.




Wow you have played Gears of War...
& i hope that BioWare can fix that cover mechanic for the GOW fans in the 3rd game...
Also more like RazorFist fan boys....

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 12:39

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Confusing title i know.....

I am no fan of Mass Effect 2 as anyone who knows me will tell you....Image IPB

Yeah, I know, but I happened to enjoy it, despite its flaws.

Although probably the most obvious thing about the sequal that ruined the story was
the fact that it felt like starting the series over again ya know?

The result of trying to make the game "stand-alone."  However, it DID maintain a chronology of sorts with the first, build on the first game's characters and plot (albeit poorly in some places), and continue with the whole "da Reapaz is coming!" theme.  It felt like "starting over" because you were facing a new enemy and not taking on the Reapers directly.  Honestly, though, if we finished off Harby and Friends in ME2, what the hell would we be doing in ME3?  Chasing mercs?  Having little blue children?

I don't know how many people thought of this, but the fact that ME2 seems like a fresh start may have to do with the fact that ME1 did not end on a cliff-hanger.  If it had, setting up a sequel would have been easy.  However, because ME1 was equally as "stand-alone" as ME2, it didn't leave much room for ME2 to answer the question, "Okay, what now?"  All well and good, I suppose, since I hate cliffhangers (ZOMG why are we stopping right before the final battle LAME!)  However, even though they tied up their endings nicely, both left you itching for more--the Reapers are still out there, and the war is far from over.

You spend the entire first game convincing the galaxy & your crew that the reapers are
a real species & a real threat to us & as soon as you die your whole squad & the whole
galaxy just abandones the idea as if it were riding on Shepards shoulders the whole time!

You expected for everyone to buy Shepard's doomsday, sky-is-falling, 9/11-was-an-inside-job hysteria?  The problem with something like the Reapers is that it's so hard to believe that most people don't.  Besides, the average citizen probably only heard what the news told them: the Citadel was attacked by a rogue Spectre and a sh*t-ton of geth.  Those that do know the truth (Anderson, the old Normandy crew, the Council) either lack the power to do anything about it or have their heads so far up their asses that they refuse to accept the whole Reaper spiel.

Additionally, the fact that you were drawn into the game enough to feel frustrated at the Council's stupidity shows some masterful storytelling, as it got you to care about the plot and want to see Shepard succeed.

There were so many places the sequal could have & needed to go but never got to
because of that terrible plot they went with...

While ME2's plot was lackluster, you really don't have a lot of room to run around in the middle chapter of a trilogy.  You can't move too far forward, otherwise the plot will get resolved one sequel too early.  Sometimes, sidetracking it is the best thing to do.  Didn't work too well in this case, but at least we have

1. learned more about the methods and intentions of the Reapers
2. gathered more allies to fight them
3. foiled yet another Reaper plot to f*ck with our sh*t.


Opinions?Image IPB

The middle part of a trilogy is often hardest to write.  In part one, all you have to do is introduced the setting, the characters, and the conflict.  In part three, you resolve the conflict in the flashiest way possible.  Part two is that weird stuff in-between that glues it together, like character development, plot twists, and building tension.  While middle parts are often the most dramatic, they do the least in advancing the plot.  For example, in Fellowship of the Ring, we learn that Frodo has to save the day by dropping the One Ring into Mount Doom.  In Two Towers, there's a lot of running around and fighting, but Frodo is hardly anywhere closer to Mount Doom.  In Return of the King, the ring thing is finally dealt with.  Or take Star Wars, where in A New Hope they win the day and defeat the Empire by blowing up the Death Star, and what happens in the next two movies?  They build a-f*cking-nother one.  I'm sure Luke Skywalker was privately thinking, "Jesus Christ, I have to do this again?"

Kind of like how in ME1 you stop the Reapers, but in ME3 they show up anyway.

Yeah, there were times in ME2 where I wanted to punch Marc Walters in the face (Shepard is brought back to life, Horizon, Baby Terminator).  However, there were times in ME1 where I wanted to punch Drew Karpyshyn as well (Matriarch Benezia's death scene, for example).

ME2 could have been done better, sure, but what with all the variables that could be carried over into ME3, it had no choice but to be the most restricted as far as plot-advancement goes.  Yeah, recruitment-loyalty-repeat got repetitive, but it's not like the missions weren't enjoyable for the most part.  That's the risk with trying something new: it could very well fall flat on its face.  To be honest, I'm glad Bioware tried so many new things out in ME2 as it allowed them to sort out what works and what doesn't, thus giving them a clearer idea of what to do with ME3.

Instead of saying "ME2 suxxxx," why don't you suggest what they could have done differently?  If it should have been more plot-centered, what should have been done with the plot?  Would you honestly cut content, like a certain loyalty mission or a whole squadmate?  What direction would you have taken the story in?  These questions are pretty hard to answer, so it's expected that even the developers would stumble over them a little.



It probably would have been better if they split ME2 & ME3 into some kind of two parter...
It would have made for a more relevent story in the sequal & a more action packed finalie...

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 01:40

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mangeo wrote...

It probably would have been better if they split ME2 & ME3 into some kind of two parter...

The series is already in three parts.  I don't understand what you're saying here.

It would have made for a more relevent story in the sequal & a more action packed finalie...

ME2's finale wasn't action-packed?

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 02:18

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No i mean ME3's finalie....

I am worried about a plot shortfall of an ending...like in Lost....

& Yea ME2's ending sucked also....Because of the Terminator that is.....

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 02:20

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I meant split the 2nd & 3rd game into a very close two parter instead of the inevetable

"much time has passed"BS that they may go with a second time....

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:15

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mangeo wrote...


Wow you have played Gears of War...
& i hope that BioWare can fix that cover mechanic for the GOW fans in the 3rd game...
Also more like RazorFist fan boys....


Only played GoW 1.:bandit:

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 09:17

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mangeo wrote...

No i mean ME3's finalie....
I am worried about a plot shortfall of an ending...like in Lost....
& Yea ME2's ending sucked also....Because of the Terminator that is.....



TERMINATOR?!

FOR F*CK SAKE WHY EVERYTHING THAT HAS METAL SKELETON = TERMINATOR TO YOU PEOPLE?!


Besides that, it's nothing like Terminator!

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 11:25

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Thats just your opinion man.......

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 04:11

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[quote]mangeo wrote...
"I am no fan of Mass Effect 2 as anyone who knows me will tell you....Image IPB"

Then why are you on an ME2 fan forum site? Seems prety pointless to me.

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 04:28

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[quote]OLDSCHOOL POSER wrote...

[quote]mangeo wrote...
"I am no fan of Mass Effect 2 as anyone who knows me will tell you....Image IPB"

Then why are you on an ME2 fan forum site? Seems prety pointless to me.




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This is not an "ME2 fan site" man...Image IPB
This is a"BioWare forum"& i am actualy the biggest Mass Effect"1"fan that has ever walked the earth!!!

You spelled (Pretty) wrong....

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 04:31

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Mesina2 wrote...

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And thats the problem. Why rush it? Few another months in development and we could have also great squad banter. It would take just like 20 sentences for every squadmate. For example, we could lost Samara´s loyalty if we didnt saved workers on Zaeed´s mission and it would take just a few words to say on his mission from her. Thats not much what I´m asking for right? Details are what makes differences. Thats why I always take Tali on Legions mission, because its far more interesting then with someone who has nothing to say.



Didn't Samara said: "Your morals, are my morals."?

And why would she lose loyalty? She is only focused on Morinth.


She also says, "After I do, your orders will override the Code. You should know, however, that I'll still give you my opinion if the situation warrants."

So either Samara decided those particular innocents in Zaeed's loyalty mission were unjust, she's lying or BioWare messed up with lack of squad banter.

In addition, the Human-Reaper is made comparable to the Terminator as a sign of mocking discontentment. They appear similar and the latter is widely known. It is considered laughably awful in ME2 and thus subjected to constant ridicule.

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 04:34

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Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

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And thats the problem. Why rush it? Few another months in development and we could have also great squad banter. It would take just like 20 sentences for every squadmate. For example, we could lost Samara´s loyalty if we didnt saved workers on Zaeed´s mission and it would take just a few words to say on his mission from her. Thats not much what I´m asking for right? Details are what makes differences. Thats why I always take Tali on Legions mission, because its far more interesting then with someone who has nothing to say.



Didn't Samara said: "Your morals, are my morals."?

And why would she lose loyalty? She is only focused on Morinth.


She also says, "After I do, your orders will override the Code. You should know, however, that I'll still give you my opinion if the situation warrants."

So either Samara decided those particular innocents in Zaeed's loyalty mission were unjust, she's lying or BioWare messed up with lack of squad banter.

In addition, the Human-Reaper is made comparable to the Terminator as a sign of mocking discontentment. They appear similar and the latter is widely known. It is considered laughably awful in ME2 and thus subjected to constant ridicule.



I agree with you on your opinion of multiplayer in ME3 Image IPB  "NO GOD NOOOO PLEASE GOD NO NOOOOOO!!!!!"

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 08:32

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Babli wrote...
Mordin: What do we do about Genophage research?
Grunt: ...
Shepard: Destroy it. Krogans are dangerous.
Grunt: ...
Mordin: You are right, research destroyed.
Grunt: ...
Mordin: Can we go now?
Grunt: ...
Shepard: Yes, we should go.
Grunt: ....

Really Grunt? You have nothing to say about that? :whistle: Again, every squadmate should have said something during decisions like this. In ME 1 everyone said something about Rachni Queen or saving the council. I hope that these interactions will come back in ME 3.


Uh, hello, McFly, anyone home? Grunt was bred in a tank. Expecting Grunt to give his 2 cents on the Genophage is  the equivalent of expecting an autistic kid to care about world politics. Not going to fly.

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 09:19

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mangeo wrote...

Thats just your opinion man.......


I'm speaking the fact, not opinion about terminator and human reaper similarity's.

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 09:45

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Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Babli wrote...
Mordin: What do we do about Genophage research?
Grunt: ...
Shepard: Destroy it. Krogans are dangerous.
Grunt: ...
Mordin: You are right, research destroyed.
Grunt: ...
Mordin: Can we go now?
Grunt: ...
Shepard: Yes, we should go.
Grunt: ....

Really Grunt? You have nothing to say about that? :whistle: Again, every squadmate should have said something during decisions like this. In ME 1 everyone said something about Rachni Queen or saving the council. I hope that these interactions will come back in ME 3.


Uh, hello, McFly, anyone home? Grunt was bred in a tank. Expecting Grunt to give his 2 cents on the Genophage is  the equivalent of expecting an autistic kid to care about world politics. Not going to fly.


Yet he cares about joining a Clan and fighting with other Krogan. Nevertheless, there are numerous other examples. Here, a few for your pleasure.

Liara: "Shepard, it's good to see you again."
Garrus: "..."
Tali: "..."
Liara: "..." (In regards to Garrus and Tali being there)

Wrex does the same. We already have the Samara exammple I posted. What about Miranda when you visit the Council. If you opted to choose any of the defiant or weary dialogue options. You would think she would comment on the proven ineptitude of the Council.

There is no denying ME2 lacked in exposition immensely.

Mesina2 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Thats just your opinion man.......


I'm speaking the fact, not opinion about terminator and human reaper similarity's.


The fact is their are numerous similarities between the Terminator and the Reaperminator. You are fooling yourself if you claim otherwise.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:45 .

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Mesina2 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Thats just your opinion man.......


I'm speaking the fact, not opinion about terminator and human reaper similarity's.



Alright here is a test...
Who here thinks the final "boss" in Mass Effect 2 looked similar to the Terminator?
Also it simply is a fact that it did look something like the Terminator....Image IPB

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 09:49

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mangeo wrote...

Alright here is a test...
Who here thinks the final "boss" in Mass Effect 2 looked similar to the Terminator?
Also it simply is a fact that it did look something like the Terminator....Image IPB


How about a poll?

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Alright here is a test...
Who here thinks the final "boss" in Mass Effect 2 looked similar to the Terminator?
Also it simply is a fact that it did look something like the Terminator....Image IPB


How about a poll?



I am sure one is already in play...
Besides i didnt know the obvious was debateble....

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 09:55

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mangeo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Thats just your opinion man.......


I'm speaking the fact, not opinion about terminator and human reaper similarity's.



Alright here is a test...
Who here thinks the final "boss" in Mass Effect 2 looked similar to the Terminator?
Also it simply is a fact that it did look something like the Terminator....Image IPB


No, it looked like a metal human skeleton.

And it's more human looking then terminator.
It actually has human bones unlike terminator + it's blue, has orange eyes and fires laser from it's mouth.

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 10:02

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mangeo wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Alright here is a test...
Who here thinks the final "boss" in Mass Effect 2 looked similar to the Terminator?
Also it simply is a fact that it did look something like the Terminator....Image IPB


How about a poll?



I am sure one is already in play...
Besides i didnt know the obvious was debateble....



Why not? There are many shades of truth and opinion, especially on the internet. :D

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 10:06

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^Then start it.

You can guess where's my vote going.

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Mesina2 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

Thats just your opinion man.......


I'm speaking the fact, not opinion about terminator and human reaper similarity's.



Alright here is a test...
Who here thinks the final "boss" in Mass Effect 2 looked similar to the Terminator?
Also it simply is a fact that it did look something like the Terminator....Image IPB


No, it looked like a metal human skeleton.

And it's more human looking then terminator.
It actually has human bones unlike terminator + it's blue, has orange eyes and fires laser from it's mouth.



It looked like a metal human skeleton?
Well that is exactly what the Terminator looked like man....

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Posté 31 janvier 2011 - 10:10

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mangeo wrote...

It looked like a metal human skeleton?
Well that is exactly what the Terminator looked like man....


True, but one similarity doesn't make it terminator.

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Mesina2 wrote...

mangeo wrote...

It looked like a metal human skeleton?
Well that is exactly what the Terminator looked like man....


True, but one similarity doesn't make it terminator.



Alright:The glowing eyes,the sound it made,its human apearance
I mean are you realy going to not see the truth just because i am presenting it?
It looked exactly like the terminator!!!!
Have you even seen the film?!!!

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Plus remember the first Terminator where it was cut in half?

That is exacly how ME2's Terminator looked!!!
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