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[CroGamer002]

I'm done with this thread and you.

[Icinix]

If anything..I would say it probably worked as a filler in very well..



It was frustrating being shep (as well it should be), the galaxy doesn't want to admit there are reapers coming (as they really wouldn't)....but what ME2 felt like it did for the whole series was set the third up nicely...



The first one we just had lots of running around trying to find out what was going on. Done. The second one we delved that little bit deeper into Genophage, Geth, Shadow Broker, lots of smaller isolated incidents that COULD (and I believe WILL) lead to bigger repercussions in ME3. We know that those three I mentioned ARE going to be big factors in ME3. Couple that with Quarians, Rachni etc...they were foot notes to the collectors, but important foot notes anyway.



I don't know if that made any sense, but it did before I started typing. Meh. Anyway, no, I believe it very much retained the whole story starting with ME1....but beginning to realize what was needed to stop the reaper threat... that was started in ME2.

[WilliamShatner]

ME2 is A LOT like Empire Strikes Back.



If Empire Strikes Back killed Luke, have Han, Leia and Chewie bugger off and have Luke resurrected and recruit C-3PO and R2-D2 to hunt down a renegade tribe of Ewoks who are kidnapping humans.

[castaftw]

I think that ME1 had a better story overall. ME2 added a little, but the cliché die/resurrect stuff was far fetched and completely unneccsary imo. Generally I like the gameplay in ME2 better, because I hated MAKO missions and the giant hassle of the inventory... better to just focus on what is important while still have some remaining choices.



One thing I seriously hate about character/henchmen relationships is that they are so willing to be manipulated by Shepard... it is like they do not have a mind of their own. You can be a bad guy and they accept it, you can be a good guy and they accept it. They should be more willing to force what they want and then make shepard decide if he agrees or not, would add a lot more depth to them imo.

[AkiKishi]

There are more plotholes than a swiss cheese if you focus on them.



While you can just about get away with the Shepard "reset" after 2 years and extensive surgery. What happened to level 60 Garrus and Tali ? Both were still active so no reason what so ever for their skills to atrophy. Why was Garrus level 5 ? No logic there at all.



Anyone who goes back to BG days will recall that your character was stripped of gear, but the character itself was intact. ME 2 really could have been a totally different character for what it was worth.

[The7Sins]

Though he is not going about it eloquently and he is being brash Mangeo is correct in that ME2 has ruined the series for several reasons. The lack of story progression, plot holes, retcons, combat being worse, and a few other minor things make ME2 a subpar game. Hopefully Bioware fixes these problems and makes ME3 more like ME1 in most aspects.

[Sammuthegreat]

The OP is one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen. I'm not even good at spotting trolls, I often fall straight into the trap of trying to reason with them. But mangeo is a troll, pure and simple.

[GuardianAngel470]

Machines Are Us wrote...

I'd really laugh if the members of Bioware read these forums and then created a topic saying "**** it, we are sick of trying to please all of you whiners. We can't seem to win no matter what we try, if we kept it the same you'd complain, if we change it you complain so we give up, no Mass Effect 3".

That would be hilarious. I actually don't think the OP needs any more help derailing this thread though.

[Nightwriter]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

The OP is one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen. I'm not even good at spotting trolls, I often fall straight into the trap of trying to reason with them. But mangeo is a troll, pure and simple.

Generally the root of all forum drama is people calling other people trolls for having alternate opinions.

I don't think the OP is a troll. I think he's saying things that have been said many times before, and sadly, statements lose value with repetition.

Yes, OP. They did a bit of a restart. I don't mind a restart, but I would have liked them to think of a different reason for why the Council was ineffective this time. I think it's a bit lazy using the same reason as before, but luckily the game was very unlazy in many other aspects of its design - combat, characters, loyalty missions. I would actually prefer for a game's weight not to rest on these things, but at most, all I can say is that the direction they went in is not my personal cup of tea. I like a good, well thought out, dynamic story which the narrative follows consistently.

[Sammuthegreat]

Fair enough Nightwriter, but things like the following:

mangeo wrote...

All Bioware cares about is their wallets
so look forward to Gears of wa......Oh i mean Mass Effect 3.

mangeo wrote...

Hope you like turd person shooters!

mangeo wrote...

Oh man you know....
Its nothing against you but its my forum you know?
Dont try to sway the forum creaters opinion...

mangeo wrote...

Oh sorry i havent been around i was bussy having a life...
I'll make sure to be more atentative & agressive from now on man....

mangeo wrote...

Mass Effect 2 killed the series & anyone who would actualy genuanly be excited about Mass Effect 3
is obviously a Halo fan who is just on here to make sure the third game will become a full on
shooter with no RPG elements left what so ever.
So hows that?
I forsee a bann in my future....

...Just screams "TROLL" to me. As does the guy's complete inability to deal directly with anyone else's arguments. Instead he just throws out more facetious, generalised statements.

For the record, I really don't care if people hate ME2, and I'm not going to spend my time whining because they don't agree with me. I love the game, even more than I loved ME1. It's my own fault for reading this thread, because all it's done is wind me up, which is exactly what trolls want. I have no idea why people get off on that sort of thing, but there we go.

[Nightwriter]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Fair enough Nightwriter, but things like the following:

mangeo wrote...

All Bioware cares about is their wallets
so look forward to Gears of wa......Oh i mean Mass Effect 3.

mangeo wrote...

Hope you like turd person shooters!

mangeo wrote...

Oh man you know....
Its nothing against you but its my forum you know?
Dont try to sway the forum creaters opinion...

mangeo wrote...

Oh sorry i havent been around i was bussy having a life...
I'll make sure to be more atentative & agressive from now on man....

mangeo wrote...

Mass Effect 2 killed the series & anyone who would actualy genuanly be excited about Mass Effect 3
is obviously a Halo fan who is just on here to make sure the third game will become a full on
shooter with no RPG elements left what so ever.
So hows that?
I forsee a bann in my future....

...Just screams "TROLL" to me. As does the guy's complete inability to deal directly with anyone else's arguments. Instead he just throws out more facetious, generalised statements.

For the record, I really don't care if people hate ME2, and I'm not going to spend my time whining because they don't agree with me. I love the game, even more than I loved ME1. It's my own fault for reading this thread, because all it's done is wind me up, which is exactly what trolls want. I have no idea why people get off on that sort of thing, but there we go.

Ah. I can see that those comments were made in poor taste. But the actual premise of the thread itself is relatively fair.

ME2 did hit the reset button in many ways. However, this does not ruin the series.

[EternalPink]

I brought ME1 since it was a steam offer and i was bored that weekend, after playing through it i immediately went and brought ME2 and played through that, according to steam i've got 123 hours played in ME1 and 217 hours played in ME2 so no i wouldn't say having to start again ruined it.



Considering how few sequels reference the games before it the fact that what you did in ME1 affects ME2 enviroment is very nice in my opinion, as an example my first ME1 playhrough i saved the council so my first ME2 playthrough i had a human loving galaxy and then starting a new character in ME2 i had a human hating galaxy from the default character choices, and while the actual differences are small from that one choice when you add in using a different character its a totally different atmosphere to play in.

[DarthSliver]

I do think they did the restart good, but wished the focused on the Collectors a bit more than they did. You only encounter them 3 times throughout the whole game. I can see that is why people are see holes, and most the of the game was recruiting a team and getting them to be Loyal. The whole restart thing in ME2 worked this time i will say, but it cant work for ME3. We need our team from ME2 to be the same, its apparent that it should be that way from when you talk to them after you Blow up/Save the Collector base(not that i saved it since this is my first completed go through now) Only characters I see leaving and having a cameo is Zaeed and Kasumi, plus the only ones that would make sense to leave your team. Bioware has to make it so your decisions seem to mean something more. Yeah they did affect some of the things, but that was only the decisions that were considered Major ones. Bioware cant fool us against, so to speak, in ME3 it really has to matter. But for instance in SM, if any of your characters died on that Imported Sheperd they just wont be there to use. They can have a Memorial Plaque added to Sheperds room or something on the ship. So if anyone died it would say so, for explain "We remember Garrus, Miranda in their heroic effort against the Collectors" something like that, but you guys hopefully get the point.

[DarthSliver]

mangeo wrote...

So now every one has simply accepted that they did "Restart" the series with the sequal?
The whole point was that it ruined the story's integraty when they did it....

No they did the restart good this time to make some sense. But i doubt they can do it again and leave the fans happy.

[Gabey5]

it was infact and in a good way....



at the end of ME1 you have all this momentum and the galaxy at your back, in the beginning of me2 you get slapped in the face and forgotten for 2 years.. of course you have to start over... and i loved every minute of it, trying to gain back all the friends and trust you had earned.

[DarthSliver]

Gabey5 wrote...

it was infact and in a good way....

at the end of ME1 you have all this momentum and the galaxy at your back, in the beginning of me2 you get slapped in the face and forgotten for 2 years.. of course you have to start over... and i loved every minute of it, trying to gain back all the friends and trust you had earned.

I have a feeling ME3 will take place a few years after ME2.  (Refer to Reaper fleet in the ending cutscene) 
Reapers being able to see our galaxy like we see looking at the Galaxy Map in game(before clicking it on) is a sign they still have to Travel. So I am saying  Citadel may be a shortcut for them, but we cut the route off in ME1. So instead of flying in they gotta take roads, which the roads take longer to get to your next destination. 

But like i said, they cant restart our sheperd like they did in ME2 in the beginning lol. We aint buying it this time lol.

[Zubie]

I just find it funny how people say ME2 was focused on the characters, yet ME1 went much more into detail with its characters while, you know...actually having a plot.



ME2 was basically just recruitment missions over and over, have 2-3 conversations with each squadmate, assuming they aren't doing any calibrations or anything....then proceed to do all their loyalty missions and then bam, suicide mission.



Mostly just felt like a bunch of fluff.

[JamieCOTC]

I have to disagree that ME2 killed the series.The problems I have w/ the game are too numerous to count, but I still enjoyed it and it did set up the possibility for a great final game.