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[PrinceLionheart]

Before I start I'm going to put it out there, this isn't a character bashing thread. I know a lot of topics pertaining to Jacob tend to illicit it since he's not a favored character, but the thread is about a hypothetical confrontation between him and Thane, not how you find him boring or FemShep's voice acting in the romance.

Okay, so one of the major topics when it comes to Jacob is how he was uncharacteristically rude towards Thane during his introduction aboard the ship. Save for Legion (which was a lot more understandable), Jacob didn't voice any grievances with any other crew member. His explained reasons was that he didn't like Mercs or Assassins. The popular theory is that there was suppose to be confrontation between the two to expand on why Jacob had a problem with Thane's profession. So, what do you think would've served as a feasible confrontation between the two?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

A feasible one to me would be if you used a FemShep, Thane and Jacob would have a confrontation similar to the Ashley/Liara conflict. But that's just me.

[Alienmorph]

Paragon

"He's an assassin!"
"And technically you're a terrorist."
"So now it's about me, Shepard?"
"No, it's about the team... we need both of you. And I know you're both smart enough to understand this."
"Shepard's right, Taylor. I'm not used to be part of a team... I understand that can be... difficult... working with me. But I'm not here to stab you on your back."
"We'll see it, drell. But for now... truce."

Renegade.

Something like the confrontation with Tali and Legion, so "Solve it as you want, just don't you dare cross my way!".

Modifié par Alienmorph, 21 janvier 2011 - 08:58 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Alienmorph wrote...

Something like the confrontation with Tali and Legion, so "Solve it as you want, just don't you dare cross my way!".

I like that. I think Jacob would call him Krios instead of "Drell" though. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I keep wondering if Jacob's run afoul of assassins in the past. It's not like everyone else are paragons of virtue--Shep's a rogue Spectre, Garrus is a vigilante, Jack is f-ing crazy, etc.



Still, I'm not really seeing the confrontation. Jacob might be suspicious, but he and Thane are both professionals, and two of the most even-keeled party members you get. I doubt either of them would say anything at all.

[syllogi]

Jacob's father abandoned him, even before the ship he served on disappeared. Thane's loyalty mission, even if successful, could bring up unresolved issues for Jacob, which would add to any problems he already had with Thane.



But Jacob really doesn't have room to talk about anyone else's profession, when he's working for Cerberus.

[GodWood]

Wine, candles and a Barry White CD.

[greed89]

TeenZombie wrote...

Jacob's father abandoned him, even before the ship he served on disappeared. Thane's loyalty mission, even if successful, could bring up unresolved issues for Jacob, which would add to any problems he already had with Thane.

But Jacob really doesn't have room to talk about anyone else's profession, when he's working for Cerberus.

thats a good point

[Estelindis]

I found the confrontation between Jacob and Thane puzzling.  Jacob left the Alliance, I understand, because he felt they had more of a preference for red tape and appearances than actually getting the job done.  He stepped outside the law because he felt it was necessary.  Thane's killings are, I think, similarly extra-legal in nature, but deemed as "necessary" in order to further hanar interests and generally to protect both drell and hanar peoples.  I wouldn't have seen them as natural opponents at all.

A better opponent for Thane might be Samara, but in a sense the two of them are quite similar as well (hanar necessity vs. asari code).  Puzzling!

Alienmorph wrote...

Paragon

"He's an assassin!"
"And technically you're a terrorist."
"So now it's about me, Shepard?"
"No, it's about the team... we need both of you. And I know you're both smart enough to understand this."
"Shepard's right, Taylor. I'm not used to be part of a team... I understand that can be... difficult... working with me. But I'm not here to stab you on your back."
"We'll see it, drell. But for now... truce."

I rather like this.  Good job.

[ADLegend21]

Paragon:

Jacob, you've got to work with Thane. being an assasin is part of his culture and I won't have you starting trouble because of the incident with the council. Thane's different and he's going to ahve your back.



Neutral

Thane Jacob's been attacked by Assassins before, you've gotta understand his worries.



Renegade

You too? fine you guys can fight after Jack and Miranda are done.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Estelindis wrote...
A better opponent for Thane might be Samara, but in a sense the two of them are quite similar as well (hanar necessity vs. asari code).  Puzzling!

Confrontations IMO are less dependent on the worldview and more dependent on the professionalism of the individuals in question.  Miranda and Jack's confrontation was inevitable--Miranda's usually pretty professional, but Jack is exactly the type of person who wouldn't give a crap about decorum and get under her skin.  Same with Tali and Legion--there's a world of history there that no amount of discipline can overcome.

I would've liked to see the Grunt and Mordin confrontation play out--there's still unused dialogue for it.  But alas.  Snipped.

[magelet]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I keep wondering if Jacob's run afoul of assassins in the past. It's not like everyone else are paragons of virtue--Shep's a rogue Spectre, Garrus is a vigilante, Jack is f-ing crazy, etc.

Still, I'm not really seeing the confrontation. Jacob might be suspicious, but he and Thane are both professionals, and two of the most even-keeled party members you get. I doubt either of them would say anything at all.

It does seem likely that this could be why he's suspicious of Thane. It seemed like there was some unexplained stuff regarding his reaction.
As for a confrontation, I would probably have to take Thane's side, mainly because Jacob was judging him based on his own preconceived notions, and not really being entirely logical.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I've always been under the impression they never continued that little fight because Thane and Jacob are both very nice guys who don't like to get into confrontation like that. In fact I question it being in there at all. It just seems out of character for Jacob to get like that.

[DirtyVagrant]

I don't think a confrontation would happen, I've tried to think how it can come about, but it just doesn't seem like it would escalate to that point. Jacob merely has reservations about bringing an assassin onto the ship, whereas Cerberus torturing a child and ongoing tension between two races seems far weightier issues.

[Estelindis]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Confrontations IMO are less dependent on the worldview and more dependent on the professionalism of the individuals in question. 

Now that I think about it, you're absolutely right.  Thane and Samara are both too controlled and professional to have a confrontation in the manner of some other squadmates.

For that matter, Jacob seems to make a habit of not being especially riled by issues you'd expect to upset him emotionally - I'm thinking especially of the aftermath of Aeia - so he might not feel the need for a confrontation either.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I would've liked to see the Grunt and Mordin confrontation play out--there's still unused dialogue for it.  But alas.  Snipped.

I have listened to the audio and would have liked to see this too.

[GodWood]

Alienmorph wrote...

Paragon



Jacob: "He's an assassin!"

Shepard:"And technically you're a terrorist."

Jacob: "No I'm not. A terrorist is a radical who employs terror as a political weapon. Terrorism is the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

I have done no such things.

Yes Cerberus has political motivations and yes Cerberus has done some terrible things, but this does not mean we are 'terrorists'.

We are a secret organisation and everything we do is out of and unknown to the public eye, thus we are not terrorists.

Read a dictionary once in a while Commander.

Shepard: But you said -

Jacob: But nothing, good day to you sir.

Fix'd.

[Estelindis]

You know, GodWood, I'm no Cerberus fan, but I still loved that. You know why? Before I was ever a video game fan, I was a dictionary fan.

[Mims]

Most epic staring contest ever.

[Avilia]

"I don't like mercenaries, an assassin is just a precise mercenary."

I'd remind Jacob that he's a mercenary. Unless he's a true believer, he's selling his skills to Cerberus. I'm not sure what would drive the conflict from Thane's point of view though - unless he'd simply defend himself from Jacob's verbal attack? He seems more like the type to walk away and be Zen about it.

Modifié par Avilia, 21 janvier 2011 - 11:10 .

[GodWood]

Estelindis wrote...
You know, GodWood, I'm no Cerberus fan, but I still loved that. You know why? Before I was ever a video game fan, I was a dictionary fan.

That's how Bioware can make Jacob more interesting

[Arbalest7]

*neck snap*